Still not safe, Still not effective....

[texassapper]

Number Of Children Who Died After COVID Shots Much Higher Than VAERS Reports Indicate

In some instances, newborn babies and young children died.

• A 12-day-old baby of unspecified gender from outside the U.S. died on March 9, 2022. The baby’s 36-year-old mother had received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on June 9, 2021, during her first trimester of pregnancy. According to the report, “Baby born and passed away on 09Mar2022 from cardiomyopathy. No family history of heart conditions. All three vaccines received during pregnancy.”
• A 5-month-old boy received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on April 17, 2021, and died on May 2, 2021.
• A 2-year-old girl received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb. 25, 2021. On March 1, 2021, “the patient experienced suffered some kind of serious adverse reaction. The VAERS report does indicate that the child had been hospitalized since February 14, which suggests she may have gotten sick from first shot. Despite this, someone administered a second shot to the already sick and suffering child, which caused her [to] die” on March 3, 2021.
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her first dose of the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 31, 2022. According to the report, she “experienced diarrhea, leaking amniotic fluids and vaginal bleeding the same day after first dose.” Subsequently, “The mother was diagnosed with Acute cystitis with hematuria and premature rupture of membranes. Five days later, she had contractions, went to the emergency room and had a premature delivery.” The baby died.
• Several children also died of heart conditions:
  
• A 5-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on April 26, 2022. He experienced abdominal pain and died of cardiac arrest three days later.
• A 6-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 8, 2022. He died on Jan. 15, 2022, of myocarditis and cardio-respiratory arrest.
• An 11-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Dec. 15, 2021. He died five days later of “acute respiratory failure, irritability, brain malformation, cardiac arrest, diarrhoea.”
• A 13-year-old boy died three days after receiving his second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. According to the report, “Autopsy showed enlarged heart and fluid surrounding the heart.”
• A 15-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Nov. 24, 2021, and died the next day. According to the report, “The boy suffered chest pains shortly after returning home from a vaccination centre.” Yet, “Doctors said the boy died as a result of diabetes.”
• A 16-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Nov. 10, 2021. She died of “Brain damage resulting from acute heart failure and decompensation and hypoxia on 18Dec2021.”
• A 16-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received a Pfizer COVID-19 booster on Dec. 27, 2021. Two days later, she died of “Pulmonary artery embolism with cardiac arrest.”
• A 17-year-old boy from outside the U.S. had received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine “a few days” before he passed away. According to the report, “at the time of death D-dimer test result was elevated.”
• A 17-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Aug. 30, 2021. On Sept. 9, 2021, “the patient experienced cardiac arrest and died.” Yet, her death was attributed to “Oral Contraceptives that have been started in July 2021” while “A vaccine aetiology was not considered.”
• A 17-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received a Pfizer booster on June 16, 2022, at his school. He “experienced generalized weakness and poor appetite in Jun2022, convulsion and out-of-hospital cardiac arrest … on 12Aug2022, elevated cardiac enzymes and suspected myocarditis on 13Aug2022” and was hospitalized. According to the report, he signed a DNR (do not resuscitate) order on Aug. 18, 2022, and died the next day. It is unclear whether it was legal for him to sign a DNR at his age in his jurisdiction.
• Reports involving fetal deaths and stillbirths:
  
• A 31-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in September 2021, during her second trimester of pregnancy. According to the report, her pregnancy was later aborted on an unspecified date due to “foetal cardiac arrest.”
• A 33-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in June 2021. According to the report, “The mother had legal termination of pregnancy performed on 04Sep2021 for severe malformations … fetal outcome is congenital anomaly.”
• A 34-year-old South Carolina woman received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in October 2021, during the first trimester of her pregnancy. According to the report, “at an ultrasound at 8 weeks 4 days the baby was measuring small (about 7 weeks) and had a lower heart rate, at an ultrasound at 10 weeks the baby measured 7 weeks and 1 day with no heartbeat, resulting in a miscarriage.”
• A 35-year-old Massachusetts woman received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech in April 2021. According to the report, “Baby stopped growing 5 days after shot,” leading to a miscarriage.
• A 36-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on June 17, 2021, in her eighth week of pregnancy. According to the report, “Discovery of a heart defect in a fetus which led to its death.”
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her second dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine on Sept. 22, 2021. According to the report, “clotting at the placenta/caused the baby to not receive any blood; Baby was deceased on: 26Oct2021.” Yet, “The benefit-risk relationship of mRNA-1273 is not affected by this report.”
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb. 4, 2021. According to the report, “Per ultrasound on 20Feb2021, fetus stopped growing on 09Feb2021 (8 weeks 4 days); no heartbeat detected. Miscarriage occurred on 22Feb2021.”
• A foreign woman of unspecified age received her second dose of the Moderna vaccine on Oct. 18, 2021. According to the report, stillbirth “occurred approximately 30 days after the mother received the second dose.”
• A foreign woman of unspecified age who was in her 40th week of pregnancy received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on an unspecified date. According to the report, “the next day the fetus died.”

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Number Of Children Who Died After COVID Shots Much Higher Than VAERS Reports Indicate

In some instances, newborn babies and young children died.

• A 12-day-old baby of unspecified gender from outside the U.S. died on March 9, 2022. The baby’s 36-year-old mother had received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on June 9, 2021, during her first trimester of pregnancy. According to the report, “Baby born and passed away on 09Mar2022 from cardiomyopathy. No family history of heart conditions. All three vaccines received during pregnancy.”
• A 5-month-old boy received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on April 17, 2021, and died on May 2, 2021.
• A 2-year-old girl received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb. 25, 2021. On March 1, 2021, “the patient experienced suffered some kind of serious adverse reaction. The VAERS report does indicate that the child had been hospitalized since February 14, which suggests she may have gotten sick from first shot. Despite this, someone administered a second shot to the already sick and suffering child, which caused her [to] die” on March 3, 2021.
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her first dose of the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 31, 2022. According to the report, she “experienced diarrhea, leaking amniotic fluids and vaginal bleeding the same day after first dose.” Subsequently, “The mother was diagnosed with Acute cystitis with hematuria and premature rupture of membranes. Five days later, she had contractions, went to the emergency room and had a premature delivery.” The baby died.
• Several children also died of heart conditions:
  
• A 5-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on April 26, 2022. He experienced abdominal pain and died of cardiac arrest three days later.
• A 6-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 8, 2022. He died on Jan. 15, 2022, of myocarditis and cardio-respiratory arrest.
• An 11-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Dec. 15, 2021. He died five days later of “acute respiratory failure, irritability, brain malformation, cardiac arrest, diarrhoea.”
• A 13-year-old boy died three days after receiving his second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. According to the report, “Autopsy showed enlarged heart and fluid surrounding the heart.”
• A 15-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received his second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Nov. 24, 2021, and died the next day. According to the report, “The boy suffered chest pains shortly after returning home from a vaccination centre.” Yet, “Doctors said the boy died as a result of diabetes.”
• A 16-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Nov. 10, 2021. She died of “Brain damage resulting from acute heart failure and decompensation and hypoxia on 18Dec2021.”
• A 16-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received a Pfizer COVID-19 booster on Dec. 27, 2021. Two days later, she died of “Pulmonary artery embolism with cardiac arrest.”
• A 17-year-old boy from outside the U.S. had received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine “a few days” before he passed away. According to the report, “at the time of death D-dimer test result was elevated.”
• A 17-year-old girl from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Aug. 30, 2021. On Sept. 9, 2021, “the patient experienced cardiac arrest and died.” Yet, her death was attributed to “Oral Contraceptives that have been started in July 2021” while “A vaccine aetiology was not considered.”
• A 17-year-old boy from outside the U.S. received a Pfizer booster on June 16, 2022, at his school. He “experienced generalized weakness and poor appetite in Jun2022, convulsion and out-of-hospital cardiac arrest … on 12Aug2022, elevated cardiac enzymes and suspected myocarditis on 13Aug2022” and was hospitalized. According to the report, he signed a DNR (do not resuscitate) order on Aug. 18, 2022, and died the next day. It is unclear whether it was legal for him to sign a DNR at his age in his jurisdiction.
• Reports involving fetal deaths and stillbirths:
  
• A 31-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in September 2021, during her second trimester of pregnancy. According to the report, her pregnancy was later aborted on an unspecified date due to “foetal cardiac arrest.”
• A 33-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in June 2021. According to the report, “The mother had legal termination of pregnancy performed on 04Sep2021 for severe malformations … fetal outcome is congenital anomaly.”
• A 34-year-old South Carolina woman received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in October 2021, during the first trimester of her pregnancy. According to the report, “at an ultrasound at 8 weeks 4 days the baby was measuring small (about 7 weeks) and had a lower heart rate, at an ultrasound at 10 weeks the baby measured 7 weeks and 1 day with no heartbeat, resulting in a miscarriage.”
• A 35-year-old Massachusetts woman received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech in April 2021. According to the report, “Baby stopped growing 5 days after shot,” leading to a miscarriage.
• A 36-year-old woman from outside the U.S. received her second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on June 17, 2021, in her eighth week of pregnancy. According to the report, “Discovery of a heart defect in a fetus which led to its death.”
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her second dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine on Sept. 22, 2021. According to the report, “clotting at the placenta/caused the baby to not receive any blood; Baby was deceased on: 26Oct2021.” Yet, “The benefit-risk relationship of mRNA-1273 is not affected by this report.”
• A Texas woman of unspecified age received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb. 4, 2021. According to the report, “Per ultrasound on 20Feb2021, fetus stopped growing on 09Feb2021 (8 weeks 4 days); no heartbeat detected. Miscarriage occurred on 22Feb2021.”
• A foreign woman of unspecified age received her second dose of the Moderna vaccine on Oct. 18, 2021. According to the report, stillbirth “occurred approximately 30 days after the mother received the second dose.”
• A foreign woman of unspecified age who was in her 40th week of pregnancy received a dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on an unspecified date. According to the report, “the next day the fetus died.”

More fruitcake chock full of nuts.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

More fruitcake chock full of nuts.

Who's nuttier? You believe what the government tells you. I don't...

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

More fruitcake chock full of nuts.

Once again the VAERS database is used to create conclusions that are not valid. A Covid vaccinated person dies. A person can look at the VAERS database and reach the immediate conclusion that the death was due to the shot.

"Anti-Vaccine Activists Use A Federal Database To Spread Fear About COVID Vaccines"

"Known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, the database includes hundreds of thousands of reports of health events that occurred minutes, hours or days after vaccination. Many of the reported events are coincidental — things that happen by chance, not caused by the shot. But when millions of people are vaccinated within a short period, the total number of these reported events can look big.

Epidemiologists consider this database as only a starting point in the search for rare but potentially serious vaccine side effects. Far more work must be done before a cause-and-effect link can be determined between a reported health event and a vaccine.

In fact, VAERS has played a major role in the spread of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines. The data is regularly appropriated by anti-vaccine advocates, who use the reports to claim falsely that COVID-19 vaccines are dangerous. They are aided by the fact that the entire VAERS database is public — it can be downloaded by anyone for any purpose."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...0any%20purpose.

[texassapper]

nothing you wrote invalidates the VAERS database. It's not a validated cause and effect correlation... but where there is smoke, there is fire.

The simple fact is, the govt., FDA etc, have no interest in whether the jab is killing people. In fact they are doing there level best to supress any information to that effect. That ought to concern you. But as I've said before, you will believe eventuially.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Once again the VAERS database is used to create conclusions that are not valid...

Originally Posted by texassapper

nothing you wrote invalidates the VAERS database. It's not a validated cause and effect correlation... but where there is smoke, there is fire...

He didn't say the database wasn't valid. He said that it can be misused. Like you have done here, with help of yet another POS extremist "fake" news site.

"Connecticut Centinal" is owned by CreativeDestructionMedia. That name should tell you enough right there. They publish a bunch of "imposter sites" with misleading names that are intended to make them look legit. The "Colorado Free Press", "The Miami Independent", etc. They even have the gall to publish one called "Armed Forces Press" which has ZERO affiliation with the US military whatsoever. They sprinkle in legit "news" stories to make them look more objective. But they are all glorified click-bait.

I would normally suggest to someone like you that you should more carefully vet your sources. But the thing is, you DO that. But with bias and misintention that is painfully transparent.

Russian bots do this better than you.

[txdot-guy]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Who's nuttier? You believe what the government tells you. I don't...

Why yes I do. The reason why, Freedom of information act, news media fact checking, and because most human beings are genuinely good people.

The real question is why you don’t. Why do you think that the government is so untrustworthy? Why are you so sure that the government sponsored vaccine is so unsafe even after so many billions of people have taken it.

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-checkout=true

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Who's nuttier? You believe what the government tells you. I don't...

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

...The real question is why you don’t. Why do you think that the government is so untrustworthy?...

Because this is fun for him. He doesn't want to help things get better. He likes things broken and wants to break them more.

He and his like-minded friends have no idea what they could bring about though. They want to destroy faith in government, science, the judicial system. You name it. Then they think someone like Trump will reform things the way they should be. All while Russia threatens Eastern Europe and the Chinese move to take over...everywhere else.

These are incredibly naive and dangerous beliefs and behaviors.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Quoting from a government funded agency (NPR)?!? Hey maybe they can give you the ICD-10 code for sudden death after the covid-vaxx shot.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Once again the VAERS database is used to create conclusions that are not valid. A Covid vaccinated person dies. A person can look at the VAERS database and reach the immediate conclusion that the death was due to the shot.

"Anti-Vaccine Activists Use A Federal Database To Spread Fear About COVID Vaccines"

"Known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, the database includes hundreds of thousands of reports of health events that occurred minutes, hours or days after vaccination. Many of the reported events are coincidental — things that happen by chance, not caused by the shot. But when millions of people are vaccinated within a short period, the total number of these reported events can look big.

Epidemiologists consider this database as only a starting point in the search for rare but potentially serious vaccine side effects. Far more work must be done before a cause-and-effect link can be determined between a reported health event and a vaccine.

In fact, VAERS has played a major role in the spread of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines. The data is regularly appropriated by anti-vaccine advocates, who use the reports to claim falsely that COVID-19 vaccines are dangerous. They are aided by the fact that the entire VAERS database is public — it can be downloaded by anyone for any purpose."

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...0any%20purpose.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

The reason why, Freedom of information act

What happens when FOIA requests are denied or slow walked?... (which happens frequently w/ FBI, ATF, and DHS requests.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

news media fact checking

You mean like these facts that the media cleared up?
* Russia Collusion Hoax
* Hands Up, Don’t Shoot Hoax
* Jussie Smollett Hoax
* Covington KKKids Hoax
* Very Fine People Hoax
* Seven-Hour Gap Hoax
* Russian Bounties Hoax
* Trump Trashes Troops Hoax
* Policemen Killed at Mostly Peaceful January 6 Protest Hoax
* Rittenhouse Hoax
* Eating While Black Hoax
* Border Agents Whipping Illegals Hoax
* NASCAR Noose Hoax
* The Georgia Jim Crow 2.0 Hoax
* Trump Assaulted Secret Service Agents and Grabbed Steering Wheel of Beast Hoax
* MAGA Assaulted Paul Pelosi Hoax
* COVID Lab Leak Theory Is Racist Hoax
* Hunter Biden’s Laptop Is Russian Disinformation Hoax
* Joe Biden Will Never Ban Gas Stoves Hoax
* COVID Deaths Are Over-Counted Is a Conspiracy Theory Hoax
* Mass Graves of Native Children in Canada Hoax
* The Trump Killed All the Fish Hoax
* Hamas Hospital Hoax
* John Fetterman Is Healthy Hoax
* If Reelected, Trump Will Execute People Hoax
* The Alfa Bank Hoax

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

and because most human beings are genuinely good people.

so what percentage is it? 51% 90% etc... and what does people being good or bad have to do with trusting the govt. Our FOUNDERS didn't trust the government, they saw it as a necessary evil. I'm of the opinion, they were collectively smarter than you as well.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Why do you think that the government is so untrustworthy?

Because it's made up of people who have their own agenda... If you think MOST people are good, explain Nazi Germany, the USSR, the CCP, and the 100 Million people they collectively killed in the last century.... or do you think everybody became a good guy on Jan 1, 2000?

Ultimately ALL governments are untrustworthy because they have the ability to abuse power through the use of force.

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

Why are you so sure that the government sponsored vaccine is so unsafe even after so many billions of people have taken it.

Science. No need to hide data for 75 years like Pfizer wanted, no reason to jab your control group (thus voiding any science you might have been interested in), because of the LIES surrounding the origins and funding of the gain of function activity that resulted in COVID, because of the persecution of those that would not get the jab (If it REALLY worked as advertised, those who got jabbed should have just said fcuk it, deal with what happens if you don't), because the govt. felt compelled to hand out donuts to get the jab... it was a huge pressure sales tactic. I see it all the time in Software sales... and the more pressure you need to add for the sale, the worse the deal is for the purchaser

Originally Posted by txdot-guy

More Than 12.7 Billion Shots Given.

A jr. high level logical fallacy. Every one believed the world was flat once too... that didn't make it true. Numbers believing in or getting a shot doesn't make it safe.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

Quoting from a government funded agency (NPR)?!? Hey maybe they can give you the ICD-10 code for sudden death after the covid-vaxx shot.

This from a guy who just quoted and referenced Kari Mullis? Maybe he can tell you the real cause of AIDS. Or Ozone depletion.

And why do you not ask the same kind of questions about texass's sources?

(and WHY would NPR know ICD-10 codes? Especially fake ones. That's a bizarre comment)

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by texassapper

... Every one believed the world was flat once too... that didn't make it true. Numbers believing in or getting a shot doesn't make it safe.

You are right. Belief doesn't make it safe. But what PROVES it is safe is statistical analysis by competent, trained researchers of the outcomes of those billions of shots. Which has shown that they are safe. And effective.

Your wishes and misrepresentations that the vaccine is NOT safe are completely invalid. They are not even "logical fallacies." You have never once posted a credible source here that backs you up. Please stop trying. The best outcome for you would be that this thread dies a slow, ignored death.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by gladi8r

You are right. Belief doesn't make it safe. But what PROVES it is safe is statistical analysis by competent, trained researchers of the outcomes of those billions of shots.

Imma stop you right there. We know that people that got jabbed once but died before their second dose were recorded as UNVAXXED. Purposely left out is the fact that because of this the statistics are virtually worthless. And the decision to omit that data OUGHT to tell you something... c'mon rub those brain cells together... tell me how that would skew the data? What CRITICAL question is wrong because of the above?

Originally Posted by gladi8r

Your wishes and misrepresentations that the vaccine is NOT safe are completely invalid.

Anytime you can produce the data that was omitted above, I would agree with you... but you can't. And as the saying goes, if you did nothing wrong you have nothing to hide.

Originally Posted by gladi8r

They are not even "logical fallacies." You have never once posted a credible source here that backs you up. Please stop trying. The best outcome for you would be that this thread dies a slow, ignored death.

If you don't care stop reading... but you can't help yourself can you? You have to keep selling the vax... and we both know why. Your world view depends on believing in fairy tales. Meh.

I'll keep the thread going because every week, the dam gets a little weaker, and more holes are poked in the narrative. Eventually you will understand too.

So don't worry too much about me, I'm a pureblood.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Imma stop you right there...

No, your misdirection and bias once again leads you to making your point without facts.

"We know that people that got jabbed once but died before their second dose were recorded as UNVAXXED. Purposely left out is the fact that because of this the statistics are virtually worthless"

Tell me how you KNOW this. Where are your facts there?

As for mine, have WYID look up the phrase "consensus opinion" for you. Because that is what I base my statements on. You go ahead and criticize that, tear it up all you want (after you learn what it is). But that is how the real world works. At least it did until people like you started using disinformation and misrepresentation to make the uneducated masses question valid scientific analysis and opinion.

But I digress. AGAIN...show me your data...your source.. that allows you to KNOW that "people that got jabbed once but died before their second dose were recorded as UNVAXXED. Purposely left out..."

Be very careful here, I warn you. Make sure that "data" or "source" is statistically significant and from a qualified, peer-reviewed source. If not...well, I'll have some time to spare later tonight to respond to it...

You keep repeating lies and think you can bully your way through them. Uh uh.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Imma stop you right there. We know that people that got jabbed once but died...

I'm gonna give you an out here: you can change defenses by saying you BELIEVE the vaccine is unsafe. That is an opinion. And you are certainly allowed to have them. You can believe in Santa, that Netanyahu is a moral and just man, that the election actually WAS stolen....whatever you want. And you can use whatever source you want: Breitbart, the Daily Mail, Mein Kampf. Anything. Believe what you want!

But don't tell us you KNOW the vaccine is safe without being prepared to defend it with real, scientifically meaningful data. Or that is not based upon an opinion from a qualified source.

If you do the first...we're good. I will tell you that I BELIEVE you are wrong. But I don't actually care very much.

But if you tell a bunch of other people on here who don't know any better that you KNOW the vaccine is unsafe...I'm callin out you out. Every time. Get used to it. Your days of dominating this thread with misinformation and bogus sources of expertise are over. They have been for awhile. You just haven't realized it yet.