Dammit, tbonetas

[Wakeup]

You're deep in it already...it amuses me to see how far the "I miss the old days of respect and understanding" DJ has fallen...

[BFCjosh]

Anyone who has paid attention for the last year or more knows this much: Blowpop searches for ways to get sessions for as cheap as possible. He has not been shy about sharing his methods.

Despite this, Dear John and BNI keep lamenting the treatment Blowpop is receiving saying that those who don't agree with his methods have low intelligence, low emotional IQ, are taking the board in the wrong direction, etc. They view Blowpop as a "gentleman."

Sorry Dear John and BNI, but you're defending the wrong person. If you want to get on your high horse, why don't you defend the ladies? Or, if you think constantly trying to find an angle to get a lower rate is acceptable, just admit it. You will receive a lot less grief. But don't paint yourself as being some noble saint.

One reason Blowpop gets so much shit is that he keeps trying to present himself as a noble gentleman, a defender of women. And any one who disagrees with him are scum. Bullshit!!! Any "noble" thing he does is just his way of working an angle.

[DEAR_JOHN]

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

Despite this, Dear John and BNI keep lamenting the treatment Blowpop is receiving saying that those who don't agree with his methods have low intelligence, low emotional IQ, are taking the board in the wrong direction, etc.

I never stated any of this. If you read the post where I quoted both blowpop and Olivia Howard, you'll see that I'm open to both points of view, and it's a typical mars/venus thing. Last I heard, all ladies he sees are there for the money and it's by their choice. I've never seen anybody who has ever seen him in session make a bad comment about him. Olivia has her opinion and it also has merit.

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

They view Blowpop as a "gentleman."

Yes, I do. I've known blowpop and BNI both for around 10-13 years and I guess I've known Olivia for around 5-6 years. I worked with both blowpop and BNI as co-moderators on two or three different hobby sites and I've met Olivia at either one or two socials. There are a lot of us posting in this thread that go back numerous years and we all have our own feelings about things. For a year or so, I've related this site to Lord of the Flies, but never mentioned it, however lately blowpop made the same analogy, which I fully agree with.

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

Sorry Dear John and BNI, but you're defending the wrong person. If you want to get on your high horse, why don't you defend the ladies?

Thank you, but I'll decide who to defend. I've also defended the ladies on many occasions, however these days I don't feel that some members want the ladies to post except for ad threads. Kind of like 'whores should be fucked not heard', shit like that and the problem is that things are moving that way and very few give a damn.

What I grew to understand, over the years, is that I feel compassion for the ladies. How would any guy feel if he were a lady, knowing that they would have to meet complete strangers in a motel room, a stranger that could probably whip their asses and rape them, and get highly intimate with them. As nerve wracking as it is for a guy to meet a lady for the first time, how about knowing how a lady meets a guy for the first time? It should be highly stressful, to say the least.

So yea, I've become a bit of a white knight, but I'm not quite the Paladin level of white knight. I'm not so absorbed in my DJ persona that I can't see the other side of things.

........and no matter what anybody says, there are two sides to this hobby thing, and both sides have merit.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

You seem to be carrying a grudge because when you came back I didn't bow down and kiss your royal ass. Frankly I didn't miss you or all your stupid cat bullshit. However since the thread you linked, I kept my distance from your postings and tried to live and let live.

In order to be fair, let me toss a coin in the air to see if I should care what you think.............flips coin..........and it lands on I don't give a shit what you think.

At least you had a 50/50 chance.

Heh!

[Sarunga]

tbone2u, I appreciate your unwavering admiration. You are, indeed, a true fan/groupie.

Please let me respond...

Originally Posted by tbone2u

Why don't you just meet up for lunch with all the mods and have them get in a line and drop their pants for you. Get you some kneepads and show them what you really feel.

So, what brand of kneepads would you recommend?

Originally Posted by tbone2u

You sir are the biggest mod kiss-ass on this board.

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as I'm to mine. And, in my opinion, you are a highly principled, honorable, and humble gentleman.

Originally Posted by tbone2u

I would suggest to you that you take a very good look at yourself in a mirror and see if you really are what you want to be. While you are looking....think about the reviews you have written. It's very important you convince yourself they are real....because a lot of us don't believe they are and a few of us know they aren't. Take a good look my friend.

OK, I did take a good look in the mirror. And, you are right, I didn't like what I saw. I noticed that I had grown a little bit older than the last time I looked, which was Yesterday. It was surreal.

BTW, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first time you are openly attempting to discredit my reviews. That's a new high for you. By doing so, you have reached the same level as that of a renowned pathological liar on this board. Congratulations.

See, principled.

Well, now that I have done what you asked me to do, let me ask you to do something in return. No, not look in the mirror. Just ask yourself if it's fair to question my credibility on this board, when your credibility has been found to be suspect. Here's a relevant thread: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...hlight=chilala

See, honorable.

Originally Posted by tbone2u

This thread and the other "patting myself on the back" threads are useless information.

Of course, you would never brag or pat yourself on the back...like in this thread: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?...post1052410214

See, humble.

Originally Posted by tbone2u

On one hand they seem to say one thing but at the same time they show themselves to be something else.

You don't say?.....my friend.

Originally Posted by DickEmDown

Why thank you Sir...

I get a warm and fuzzy every time a member wants to recognize me or one of my fellow moderators for excelling at this thankless job, your AWESOME

Originally Posted by SOULMANIKE

+1

Originally Posted by Pistolero

What could I add to this?

Originally Posted by mojojo213

Well put sir! Well put! It's not often it happens but gracias señor!

Originally Posted by Jusanotherdude

Could not have said it better than my compadres..... many thanks for the kind words and your support of all we do 'round here.....

All you Mods are very welcome.

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

Anyone who has paid attention for the last year or more knows this much: Blowpop searches for ways to get sessions for as cheap as possible. He has not been shy about sharing his methods.

This is worth repeating, because this is the source of some of the contention.
Knock that chick right off her high horse.

[tbone2u]

Surunga, or whatever your name is, There is nothing wrong with what I said in the thread you related to. I stand by it today and I will stand by it forever. To my knowledge...those were pics of her and if they somehow were not....they were the spitting image of her. You seem like a smart enough guy....or maybe not. Trying reading the whole thread.

You continue over and over to show your ass playing up to the mods. Can't you see what's going on? It's actually funny as shit. Take another look in the mirror....you may or not be able to see what others see in you and if you can't.....take a look at your posts. Maybe that will help.

Miss LD and I have never really gotten along well on this board but.....I respect her.
You sir....I do not respect.

This whole thread is about "Sucking Up" and you fit into it quite well.

As far as the kneepads are concerned....I've never owned any but I have seen them at Home Depot. I'm sure you can find a pair that fits perfectly.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

........and no matter what anybody says, there are two sides to this hobby thing, and both sides have merit.

More like three sides.

1) blowpop is just working a deal and posting a list. Nothing wrong with that.... but in reality blowpop's top ten is like an informercial.

2) Some have called it out for what it is. Nothing wrong with that. We need to take infomercials with a grain of salt , don't you think?

3) I do not see Olivia's point about theft. He (bp) hasn't done anything wrong IMHO. If some girl thinks it is in her best interest to discount a session for bp, that is a far cry from theft or shoplifting. I just do not see her point on this matter.

IMHO it used to be far worse back in the day with infomercials. Mods would not let people challenge them for what they were. People shouldn't take it so personal.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

This is worth repeating, because this is the source of some of the contention.
Knock that chick right off her high horse.

There’s several comments on this thread that merit repeating. This one is just the Number Uno. That’s why I repeated it again for us all.

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

Anyone who has paid attention for the last year or more knows this much: Blowpop searches for ways to get sessions for as cheap as possible. He has not been shy about sharing his methods.

Here’s some more:

Originally Posted by BFCjosh

One reason Blowpop gets so much shit is that he keeps trying to present himself as a noble gentleman, a defender of women. And any one who disagrees with him are scum. Bullshit!!! Any "noble" thing he does is just his way of working an angle.

Well said. The ladies on here are obviously trying to sell themselves and thereby their services. It’s annoying to see a man on here trying to sell himself to get something for as cheap as he possibly can.

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

...............not all women are as independently minded as you are. For every Olivia, there are other providers that need the money for the car note and need the customer base, so appearing on the top 10 list may add to their client base.

If Blowpapi and the other cheapskates would just pay the lady her rate, she would also be able to pay her car note or whatever. Maybe even have money left over.

Originally Posted by enderwiggin

I'd respect blowpop if he just once said, "Yeah. It's a grift in the system and I'm milking it for all it's worth. Oh, you don't like it? I don't care." Instead we get long-winded diatribes about how dumb we are and how smart and gentlemanly he is... Gee , I wonder why people gang up on him?

Although, to say it in the open forum would defeat the purpose so I’m sure it would be in a private forum. But still, endewiggen’s concise summation of the situation merits repeating.

Originally Posted by Luxury Daphne

Cool Team Names:

1.***** **** & Strokin 3s
2.Viscious and Delicious
3.Spider Pigs
4.Silent Assassins
5.Jumping Amazing Super Optimistic Noodle Squad
6.Heroes and Zeros
7.The Untouchables
8.Finger Puppet Mafia
9.Chattanooga Flowmasters
10.

Staff Edit: Reference to drugs or drug use not permitted - Mojo

This is just fucking hilarious.

Originally Posted by blowpop

When I contact a provider, I ask her what her current rates are. Because they're often not fixed. I want to pay the provider what she wants to earn, as long as it's within my budget. (If it's not, I don't see her.)

Yes………………go on………….teach us one of your grifts………….

Originally Posted by blowpop

For some, rate varies only based on time of appointment. For others, rates vary for other reasons. It could be the time of the month, it could be that bookings are slow. It could be that they like a particular client, or that he's a regular. It could be for the services to be offered (more for greek, less for FBSM only.)

So is the grifter supposed to suggest one of the above when he’s haggling? We need the whole grift not just the cliff notes.

Originally Posted by blowpop

Discount? No. Many providers offer different rates for different kinds of sessions. Some even detail this on their websites. Since I don't do full service with providers, I'm obviously not going to pay the full service price IF THE PROVIDER OFFERS FRENCH-ONLY OPTIONS.

If the Aunt Flow suggestion doesn’t work a guy should try the dick sucking one or is it the other fucking way around? Dick sucking only first THEN Aunt Flow. Where does the car note come in? After the dick thing and Aunt Flow?

Originally Posted by blowpop

That's not negotiating. That's choosing from a menu. Or would you suggest I pay the price of a full steak dinner in a restaurant if I'm going in for just for the salad, and a salad is listed on the menu?

Wait a minuite……………….Does the guy ask about the menu first? Does he open up with “I don’t want to fuck you in the ass. I just want my dick sucked.” Is that well received? Or do you say it a little smoother. Can you please give us an example of how this is best said. Also, is this best said before or after the Aunt Flow thingie. What about if the guy’s into Aunt Flow? How does that work into the grift or does he just shop lift that?

Originally Posted by blowpop

And here's something you may not know: There are a lot of providers out there who do offer these non-full-service sessions. (Often marketed as FBSM, for example) And they're rarely as expensive as full service sessions. For guys like me who don't do full service with providers, this is appealing.

Wait, I think I get it. You contact only FBSM ladies and offer the dick sucking vs the body rubbing thingie. Where does Aunt Flow fit in? I’m having trouble following the con. Is this one of those long cons with props and everything? Don’t you need an accomplice for that? Is Aunt Flow the second grifter?

Originally Posted by blowpop

Not all provider advertise these sessions. Some offer them only when "aunt flo" is in town. I don't see the downside to asking tactfully if these types of sessions are offered, although a handful of providers get very testy if asked. (I've found that these providers typically aren't the ones with attitudes that make them much fun BCD.)

Oh, I get it now. I was going about it all wrong. The grift is tactful so no dick sucking and ass fucking comments. We use euphemisms like “I only want a little lickie-lickie no ass fuckie-fuckie.” And we still shop lift the Aunt Flow extra right?

Originally Posted by blowpop

Certainly some providers don't offer anything other than her full service rate. In that case, I determine if what she's asking is something I'm willing to pay to spend time with her. If it is, I schedule. If not, I move on.

Oh, so it’s really not a hour of her time, but dick suckie-suckie time? Is it all dick suckie-suckie time like I’ve heard? All suckie-suckie and then in addition to shoplifting the Aunt Flow thingie, we shop life an additional fifteen minutes or so to help her unhing her jaw, clean up and pay up – the reduced rate of thirty cents on the dollar? Do you go all out and pay the two and a half cents for the white envelope or just set on the dresser?

Originally Posted by blowpop

I'll let you in on a little secret. Every time I post my list I get a number of e-mails from providers asking why I've not come to see them. Some are downright belligerent - as if I owe it to them to spend my time and money with them so they can try to earn a spot on my list. I've explained more times than I can count that my sessions are limited by three factors: My available time, my available budget, and which providers I find appealing. It gets old, and isn't much fun.

Wait, wait, wait……………….fuck this grifting is time consuming………………so now I have to put up Yard Sale signs or something? Do you have a template you use? How often do you re-see the ladieis on list? Do we have to pay them every time a new list comes out for the dick suckie-suckie thingie. Does saying dick suckie-suckie but now ass fuckie-fuckie instead of dick sucking and ass fucking – you know all tactful like – work the second time. Does she want to be paid for the shoplifted Aunt flow thingie and the extra time you lifted off her because all the time was spent with her doing the suckie-suckie?

Originally Posted by blowpop

(I'm more than a bit uncomfortable pushing back when the "find appealing" part is lacking with a particular provider - unlike some members here, I don't like insulting women, and would prefer to avoid hurt feelings when possible. Consequence of being raised in the South, no doubt.)

Oh, so saying it with a Southern accent – both times right – helps makes it more tactful and camouflages the grift and shoplifting.

Originally Posted by blowpop

So I've learned that by adding that disclaimer to the list, providers aren't as pushy about "You have to try me now!" and I avoid most of the unpleasantness. A few providers whom I've never scheduled with have become friends over the years.

Do the Yard Sales signs really work that well? If I use your system are you guaranteeing I’ll have ladies lined up, and screaming no less, to suckie-suckie my dick for little or nothing? What about Aunt Flow? What’s her stance on all this? Is she part of the con or just some gravy to shoplift?

Originally Posted by blowpop

There are no hard and fast deal killers for me. For every provider I determine how badly I want to meet her, and thus how much I'm willing to pay her. If my number and hers line up, I call her. If they don't, I don't contact her. If she contacts me with an offer that's appealing, we schedule.

Ah, so after the tactful suckie-suckie thingie, you tell her how badly you want to see her or do you beg first then go in with the tactful bullshit?

Originally Posted by blowpop

Sessions vary. A lot. Some are very GFE, with lots of activities (other than actual intercourse or greek). DATY in particular is a favorite of mine when I'm in the mood and she's clean and fresh.

Well fuck! Now I’m just confused. I thought we only did the tactful dick suckie-suckie and contacted FSBM ladies. How does GFE fit in? The only thing I understand in this bit of instruction is we still aren’t getting any ass fuckie-fuckie.

Originally Posted by blowpop

Some sessions trend more with me being serviced, for lack of a better term. It all depends on the chemistry and how things are flowing. Some providers pride themselves on their French abilities, and they want to put on a performance. I certainly don't stop them unless I'm wanting to move to something else for a while.

Ya, ya, we already covered that. Dick suckie-suckie for an hour. Shoplift Aunt Flow then waste more of her time. Check.

Originally Posted by blowpop

But I want to make something perfectly clear: I do not ever force a woman to do something against her will.

Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn’t sure if Southern charm and tact went so far as to limiting it to consensual activities.

Originally Posted by blowpop

Some providers have a submissive side, and that's fun to explore, but it has to be something she chooses to explore.

So it’s not just FSBM ladies. It’s all ladies and preferably ones that like to be abused? Got it.

Originally Posted by blowpop

I promise a slot on my list to no one.

Got it. Best to leave it vague. Let her get the idea in her head. I’ve heard that’s the best way to conceal a grift from the mark.

Originally Posted by blowpop

That's rather dramatic. And false. I enjoy what is offered to me, and pay the provider what she asks for it.

Stop shouting! I heard you the first time. Let the mark think she’s dictating the grifter’s take. Got it.

Originally Posted by blowpop

If COURSE I'm always looking for my next blowjob. I'm a guy who loves blowjobs! And I enjoy them from different women. I find the hobby to be the perfect way to satisfy this desire.

I thought we’d already established that working girls are the best marks for this grift. We’re not retarded; we’d gathered that all on our own even without you “system”

Originally Posted by blowpop

"Victim". Amazing term for a woman who makes her own decision. Do you view all providers this way?

Great idea, and this comes last. And I guess this answered my question. We don’t waste the few cents on the envelope. Play on the mark’s insecurities. Make HER the bad guy. Cleaver and coy.

Originally Posted by blowpop

One thing you might have missed is that my list hasn't been "under attack" until I got fed up with the public antics of a few of our more noisy members, and called them out.

Da, what’d ya expect? We just wanted the system!

To recap:

1. Put up a yard sale sign.
2. Find the mark in the hobby.
3. Any lady with an Aunt Flow is best, but look for FSBM ladies first. Ladies that need their car note paid second.
4. Be tactful and use a Southern accent.
5. Shoplift the whole hour and the Aunt Flow.
6. Waste more of her time whilst you dig around for your wad of cash and clean up.
7. Don’t use the envelope.
8. Accuse her of being stupid or whatever demeaning thing comes to mind if she objects to the suckie-suckie for an hour and shoplifting the Aunt Flow thingie.

NOTE: We need clairification - Do we re-see the ladies on the Yard Sale sign everytime we put out a list? If so, doesn't that get expensive? Please let us know.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Well said. The ladies on here are obviously trying to sell themselves and thereby their services. It’s annoying to see a man on here trying to sell himself to get something for as cheap as he possibly can.

It seems you have no problem with the women getting from the men as much money as possible but you take exception to the opposite happening.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

If Blowpapi and the other cheapskates would just pay the lady her rate, she would also be able to pay her car note or whatever. Maybe even have money left over.



.

He is paying her rate. The rate they negotiated.

Nowhere have I read that bp did not pay the negotiated price.

You would have a point if he was threatening them with bad reviews.

I haven't heard of that.

The system is not perfect ... I've always maintained that men who have given their personal information along with handle to you ladies are compromised as far as reviews go. So this shit cuts both ways.

bp is an infomercial is all. Women basically pay for his services. "I blow you for a discount, you might put me on your list" That seems to be the problem you have. The problem others have is that he holds himself out to be objective. His methods have been exposed to be flawed. There is no way you can be objective when ladies know your handle and you get a discount.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by WTF

bp is an infomercial is all. Women basically pay for his services. "I blow you for a discount, you might put me on your list" That seems to be the problem you have. The problem others have is that he holds himself out to be objective. His methods have been exposed to be flawed. There is no way you can be objective when ladies know your handle and you get a discount.

Your scenario is a "So the saying goes" kinna thing..............But we all know that isn't always how it works. I just want him to be known for the scammer he is that's all. You see it from the mostly guy side. I see it from the mostly lady's side. I just want the next lady to know what she's buying and what the readers think of the Yard Sale sign.

[DEAR_JOHN]

Mars/Venus............nothing more. Thing is, if a person tries to find middle ground or some sort of compromise, then the ladies grip about lowering the prices while the guys gripe that some lady doing the session isn't worth the money she's charging.

We can view this all day long, but it is what it is.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by DEAR_JOHN

Mars/Venus............nothing more. Thing is, if a person tries to find middle ground or some sort of compromise, then the ladies grip about lowering the prices while the guys gripe that some lady doing the session isn't worth the money she's charging.

We can view this all day long, but it is what it is.

No, it isn't. How about this................If you're not an long term client wanting to be grandfathered, you aren't going on an extended trip together or you aren't a regular client wanting an ongoing arrangement, you don't ask for a discount. This discount you speak of is based on what? Her absolute, ever lovin' desire to see YOU! (Not you specifically of course.) Why, because you just don't want to pay that price; you're so wonderful because you're, well, YOU, and you just know she'll luv, luv YOU. Is that how guys handle ALL their purchases? Does it work well at the grocery store?

If you want to see the lady so badly, I'd think her price is right. If you want to see her so badly and she's $350 / hour and you've got $200, go find a $200 / hour lady that you like. Again, it's like at the grocery store. Do you offer the store manager $10.00 / lb for tenderloin? No, you buy the ribeye. Why is this so different? I understand it's an intimate transaction, but like I took the time to demonstrate, my rates were based on what I needed to make for my family, my lifestyle and me. Just like you and your job.

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by WTF

It seems you have no problem with the women getting from the men as much money as possible but you take exception to the opposite happening.




He is paying her rate. The rate they negotiated.

Nowhere have I read that bp did not pay the negotiated price.

You would have a point if he was threatening them with bad reviews.

I haven't heard of that.

The system is not perfect ... I've always maintained that men who have given their personal information along with handle to you ladies are compromised as far as reviews go. So this shit cuts both ways.

This is a good summary. I've never tried to present my list as anything other than my opinion, because that's all it is. It's not perfect - it's just the list of providers that I can recommend without hesitation.


Olivia seems to be all bent out of shape because she views it as some sort of scam. It's not - it's simply my opinion. Some providers see value in being on my list. Other's couldn't care less.


Am I offered specials from time to time? Duh. Are reviewers offered specials from time to time? Duh. What's the difference?


When you get down to it, what it appears Olivia has a problem with are guys who are price conscious. Yet she's extremely focused on price - she wants to earn as much as she can command, and I don't blame her for that.


That's hobby economics in a nutshell. Providers want to earn more. Hobbyists want to pay less. Some folks accept this reality. Others are apparently more than a little bothered by it.

[pyramider]

I thinck OH has more of a problem with a fucktard scamming to get deal over fucktards being cheap.