Still not safe, Still not effective....

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by Michael8219

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/ny...us-deaths.html

From April, 2020 NYTimes article; updated September 2021 (why?). ”The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive.”

Are you ever going to answer my question about other stuff you posted? Like I said I don't want to fight with you folk. But I'm not backing down either

[texassapper]

Study: Young athletes at risk for elevated blood pressure rates, future cardiovascular complications

Nothing to see here folks... it's probably Climate Change!!

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by gladi8r

NO. It is not equivalent to that at all. But this is the kind of thing that you and your buddies say in response to things like that all the time. I got my information from TWO qualified medical specialists. One of them is a globally recognized immunologist. You're statement is foolish. Like most of the things said here.

I am sorry you can't see the correlation, maybe it wasn't the best analogy. But I am just a bit puzzled how a so called reliable source in the field of immunology can say with a straight face that although a vaccine is problematic it can reliably save many many lives. To me that's a foolish statement and should be held in question even if it came from a "Globally recognized Immunologist".

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

I am sorry you can't see the correlation, maybe it wasn't the best analogy. But I am just a bit puzzled how a so called reliable source in the field of immunology can say with a straight face that although a vaccine is problematic it can reliably save many many lives. To me that's a foolish statement and should be held in question even if it came from a "Globally recognized Immunologist".

Maybe because he is an actual expert in his field and you are not? Just a thought. I could ask why anyone would believe anything you said about this. You are just stirring things up trying to criticize something I said with no good logic. That is what many of you do on here I am founding out very quick. We used to trust experts. You and others on here now take potshots at all of them just because some of them have screwed up. That's not right. Scientists get things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean they are always wrong. You pretend they are.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Study: Young athletes at risk for elevated blood pressure rates, future cardiovascular complications

Nothing to see here folks... it's probably Climate Change!!

You are right about that. Nothing to see. Other than more young people have high blood pressure than people who are not experts in this would think have it.

Don't worry. I won't do this much longer. I never intended to get into a habit of responding to every dumb thing said on here. And I am finding out quick it is a lot. Me getting sucked into replying is the dumbest thing of all. On a hooker board. I don't know what I expected. The joke really is on me. BTW you still did not tell me who Ethical Skeptic is and why I should believe anything he says either. That's okay. Michael8219 won't tell me why a data scientist like him misrepresents data either.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by gladi8r

Maybe because he is an actual expert in his field and you are not? Just a thought. I could ask why anyone would believe anything you said about this. You are just stirring things up trying to criticize something I said with no good logic. That is what many of you do on here I am founding out very quick. We used to trust experts. You and others on here now take potshots at all of them just because some of them have screwed up. That's not right. Scientists get things wrong all the time. It doesn't mean they are always wrong. You pretend they are.

Oh no I am not saying experts are always wrong that certainly isn't true I've never insinuated it. I am also not trying to stir things up but I am hard pressed to take your post seriously just because you're saying your information came from an expert. Did you really talk with experts or our you just putting everyone on? Because the information you posted appears a bit contradictory because I know this much a problematic vaccine isn't going to save any lives.

[gladi8r]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Oh no I am not saying experts are always wrong that certainly isn't true I've never insinuated it. I am also not trying to stir things up but I am hard pressed to take your post seriously just because you're saying your information came from an expert. Did you really talk with experts or our you just putting everyone on? Because the information you posted appears a bit contradictory because I know this much a problematic vaccine isn't going to save any lives.

It was not a fair assumption I made that you did not trust all experts. Sorry. But No, I'm not posting the names of relatives and personal physicians on a site like this. Sorry for that too. But I'm sure you can understand. Why would I lie to you about this though? I could just go out and look up the names of any one of thousands of doctors who say what mine said and pretend that they are the people I talked to. So no matter what I said it would prove nothing. Let's just stop now. This is a dumb conversation and I am tired of it. If you want to post a last reply then go ahead. But I'm getting really sick of this nonsense and speculation. None of you who post stuff like this would survive a real conversation with anybody that had training in logic or statistical analysis.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by gladi8r

It was not a fair assumption I made that you did not trust all experts. Sorry. But No, I'm not posting the names of relatives and personal physicians on a site like this. Sorry for that too. But I'm sure you can understand. Why would I lie to you about this though? I could just go out and look up the names of any one of thousands of doctors who say what mine said and pretend that they are the people I talked to. So no matter what I said it would prove nothing. Let's just stop now. This is a dumb conversation and I am tired of it. If you want to post a last reply then go ahead. But I'm getting really sick of this nonsense and speculation. None of you who post stuff like this would survive a real conversation with anybody that had training in logic or statistical analysis.

That's a good idea.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Study: Young athletes at risk for elevated blood pressure rates, future cardiovascular complications

Nothing to see here folks... it's probably Climate Change!!

Here's a list of hundreds of papers related to cardiovascular disease in young athletes, all published before 2020, that is, before COVID.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...10&as_yhi=2019

The best athlete to come out of my small high school in a couple of decades dropped dead in his junior year of college, from a heart attack while in the stands watching a baseball game. He would have played professional football if he'd lived.

[texassapper]

Courts rules that COVID 19 jab cannot be considered a vaccine.

The plaintiffs argued that the district’s vaccine mandate infringed upon their fundamental right to refuse medical treatment, as the mRNA injections do not prevent the transmission of COVID-19 but merely mitigate symptoms for the recipient.

The court’s opinion, penned by Circuit Judge R. Nelson and supported by Judge Collins, asserts that the mRNA shots, marketed as vaccines, do not effectively prevent the transmission of COVID-19 but merely reduce symptoms in those who contract the virus. This crucial distinction undermines the foundational premise of the vaccine mandates enforced by various governmental and educational institutions.

Judge Nelson pointed out that the mandate was inconsistent with the Supreme Court’s century-old ruling in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a case that upheld the state’s right to enforce smallpox vaccinations due to their proven effectiveness in preventing disease spread. In contrast, the mRNA COVID-19 shots do not offer such public health benefits, thus failing the criteria established by Jacobson.

The ruling points out that traditional vaccines are designed to provide immunity and prevent transmission, which is not conclusively proven in the case of mRNA COVID-19 shots.

[texassapper]

Doctors are ‘raising alarms’ over energy drinks linked to sudden heart attacks


I believe I had my first Redbull 25 years ago.... BUT NOW they're causing heart attacks? That's a cover story I didn't think of.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Courts rules that COVID 19 jab cannot be considered a vaccine.

The plaintiffs argued that the district’s vaccine mandate infringed upon their fundamental right to refuse medical treatment, as the mRNA injections do not prevent the transmission of COVID-19 but merely mitigate symptoms for the recipient.

The court’s opinion, penned by Circuit Judge R. Nelson and supported by Judge Collins, asserts that the mRNA shots, marketed as vaccines, do not effectively prevent the transmission of COVID-19 but merely reduce symptoms in those who contract the virus. This crucial distinction undermines the foundational premise of the vaccine mandates enforced by various governmental and educational institutions.

Judge Nelson pointed out that the mandate was inconsistent with the Supreme Court’s century-old ruling in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a case that upheld the state’s right to enforce smallpox vaccinations due to their proven effectiveness in preventing disease spread. In contrast, the mRNA COVID-19 shots do not offer such public health benefits, thus failing the criteria established by Jacobson.

The ruling points out that traditional vaccines are designed to provide immunity and prevent transmission, which is not conclusively proven in the case of mRNA COVID-19 shots.

I really don't care if the Covid-19 shots are considered a vaccine or not. They work in preventing deaths from Covid. They reduce the symptoms if you catch Covid. That is enough for me to take the shots.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I really don't care if the Covid-19 shots are considered a vaccine or not. They work in preventing deaths from Covid. They reduce the symptoms if you catch Covid. That is enough for me to take the shots.

Hear hear!

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I really don't care if the Covid-19 shots are considered a vaccine or not. They work in preventing deaths from Covid. They reduce the symptoms if you catch Covid. That is enough for me to take the shots.

Which is 100% your right. But by the fact they are NOT a vaccine, the ability by the Federal govt. to mandate them has also been further hampered.

The mandate was NEVER legal. It was never legal on a private industry standard... and it possibly invalidates the EUA, which would allow lawsuits from those injured by the non vaccine jab.

[Michael8219]

Originally Posted by texassapper

Which is 100% your right. But by the fact they are NOT a vaccine, the ability by the Federal govt. to mandate them has also been further hampered.

The mandate was NEVER legal. It was never legal on a private industry standard... and it possibly invalidates the EUA, which would allow lawsuits from those injured by the non vaccine jab.

100%. Notice:

CDC 2015-2021 defined vaccination as: “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”

CDC changed the vaccine definition in September 2021, calling vaccination: “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.”

FACTS that make you go hmmmm