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01-23-2022, 05:27 PM
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01-23-2022, 05:42 PM
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01-23-2022, 07:33 PM
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01-24-2022, 12:12 AM
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Here is the issue that has created much of the current controversy ...
... and the person created the conflict is Anthony Fauci aka Tony Faki!
He claims to be "The Science" ... but here is what he stated in January 2020 ... PUBLICLY ... discussed ...
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From your link:
We fact-checked Bannon’s claim. Bannon, a Virginia. native, cited two instances in late January when Fauci said the disease wasn’t a big threat to Americans. Each time, however, Fauci added that the situation could change.
LL, you don't tell the full story.
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01-24-2022, 12:27 AM
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does NOT PREVENT one from dying of the consequences of Covid, and
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In most cases death is prevented in people who were doubled vaccinated by either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. In June 2021 there were only 4,000 plus breakthrough covid cases and fewer deaths. Over 200 million people have been double vaccinated.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covi...ccination.html
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01-24-2022, 04:47 AM
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From your link:
We fact-checked Bannon’s claim. Bannon, a Virginia. native, cited two instances in late January when Fauci said the disease wasn’t a big threat to Americans. Each time, however, Fauci added that the situation could change.
LL, you don't tell the full story.
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Parsing words .... but you AND FAUCI failed.
You don't know me. But let me repeat. That's helpful with challenged learners...repetition...and it's worked on you so far!
My previous post ....
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What Fauci said are lies. Here is why: #1: He was an advisor in the Obaminable Administration (which included Bitten BTW) when THE LAB in China was doing research financed by the U.S. taxpayers and Obie signed an EO stopping funds to the lab based on the dangerous conditions due to the lab's lack of adequate safety protocol. So Fauci KNEW it was dangerous lab work and research. #2: In 2017 Fauci's finance corporation started make payments to the lab so it could continue the research without any meaningful security measures in place with the protocol.
So when Fauci was pretending in January of 2020 that there was no problem and he was making those statements he knew better, because he had been familiar with what was going on in the lab since most of the previous administration and he was paid big taxpayers' dollars to know those things about the lab.
What exactly was he supposed to find out in the future that might change his mind about the Covid becoming a "problem" that he didn't already know from the experience of the past 7-8 years and when he made his investment from his company in the lab? Our government has the documents back to 2010 at least ... and probably 2008.
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Fauci is a fake! And since you know him so well and his financial involvement in the lab from which the cells escaped that have allegedly killed millions around the world ... and allegedly killed 850,000 in the U.S. .... exactly what IS IT and WAS IT that was supposed to "change" about which he had no knowledge on January 1, 2020, AND when he blabbed later in January 2020 as he was quoted. Did he just become "The Science" this year?
The "fact checkers" didn't have the FACTS, because some of the FACTS weren't released from the Federal government until late in 2020 (AFTER THE ELECTION!) by a late response to an info request.
I will repeat ... Fauci knew about it in December 2019 and he knew it came from his financed lab and he knew how dangerous it was. And please remember Bitten's bullshit in January about Trump's actions .... Bitten knew Fauci WELL ... THEY WERE IN THE SAME ADMINISTRATION WHEN THE LAB WAS DEFUNDED BY OBAMINABLE....because it was dangerous with their lack of proper procedures....FAUCI KNEW THAT!!! That was his job in 2014 and earlier.
Keep wordsmithing ... your intentional ignorance of the facts show!
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01-24-2022, 06:28 AM
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The conventional wisdom in this type of abuse is to get out of there as fast as you can
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Why wouldn't you just post the two links that the one post points to?
Beyond that; OK, I get it. You are steadfastly married to the subterfuge you've been force fed and cannot, under any circumstance handle new data - especially new data which makes everything you believe and have done look insanely stupid.
Let's try the baby steps approach:
- Do you believe that all deaths from the covid were medically coded/recorded per existing law?
- Do you perceive a difference between "from" the covid vs "with" the covid?
- Do you believe the PCR test was highly accurate and developed and calibrated to detect the covid?
CDC Exposed: Inflated Covid Deaths By 1600% Throughout The Election, “Violated Multiple Federal Laws” Peer-Reviewed Study Finds…State, Local Governments Must Act
...a new peer reviewed study has been released that finds the CDC numbers to be so wildly unsupported as to be pure propaganda that is based on wholly unscientific practices that were needlessly created on-the-spot...
...CDC illegally inflated the COVID fatality number by at least 1,600 percent as the 2020 presidential election played out, according to a study published by the Public Health Initiative of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. The study, “COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective,” was authored by Henry Ealy, Michael McEvoy, Daniel Chong, John Nowicki , Monica Sava, Sandeep Gupta, David White, James Jordan , Daniel Simon, and Paul Anderson.”...
Peer reviewed paper from the above here:
COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective
Abstract
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020,
“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions
or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”[1] For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19.
More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able to generate inaccurate data during a crisis. The CDC has advocated for social isolation, social distancing, and personal protective equipment use as primary mitigation strategies in response to the COVID-19 crisis, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the promise of inexpensive pharmaceutical and natural treatments. These mitigation strategies were promoted largely in response to projection model fatality forecasts that have proven to be substantially inaccurate. Further investigation into the legality of the methods used to create these strategies raised additional concerns and questions.
Why would the CDC decide against using a system of data collection & reporting they authored, and which has been in use nationwide for 17 years without incident, in favor of an untested & unproven system exclusively for COVID-19 without discussion and peer-review? Did the CDC’s decision to abandon a known and proven effective system also breach several federal laws that ensure data accuracy and integrity? Did the CDC knowingly alter rules for reporting cause of death in the presence of comorbidity exclusively for COVID-19? If so, why?
The above just addresses the first question I posed. BTW: The CDC has already confirmed most of the above. Most recently stating on average 4-6 comorbidities, by clarifying; Clearly, these people were unwell.
You are frozen in data from time gone by that was faked to form the foundation of a narrative. We have actual observed data now. Personally, I think you're suffering from battering source abuse. Maybe it's time to consider a divorce from your bad source(s)?
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01-24-2022, 07:10 AM
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WWCD? What Would Congress Do
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01-24-2022, 08:20 AM
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Lets have a mandate that the prez must have a full cognitive and mental evaluation done asap.
But them homos shut they pieholes right quick eh'?
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01-24-2022, 09:41 AM
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Why wouldn't you just post the two links that the one post points to?
Beyond that; OK, I get it. You are steadfastly married to the subterfuge you've been force fed and cannot, under any circumstance handle new data - especially new data which makes everything you believe and have done look insanely stupid.
Let's try the baby steps approach:
- Do you believe that all deaths from the covid were medically coded/recorded per existing law?
- Do you perceive a difference between "from" the covid vs "with" the covid?
- Do you believe the PCR test was highly accurate and developed and calibrated to detect the covid?
CDC Exposed: Inflated Covid Deaths By 1600% Throughout The Election, “Violated Multiple Federal Laws” Peer-Reviewed Study Finds…State, Local Governments Must Act
...a new peer reviewed study has been released that finds the CDC numbers to be so wildly unsupported as to be pure propaganda that is based on wholly unscientific practices that were needlessly created on-the-spot...
...CDC illegally inflated the COVID fatality number by at least 1,600 percent as the 2020 presidential election played out, according to a study published by the Public Health Initiative of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge. The study, “COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective,” was authored by Henry Ealy, Michael McEvoy, Daniel Chong, John Nowicki , Monica Sava, Sandeep Gupta, David White, James Jordan , Daniel Simon, and Paul Anderson.”...
Peer reviewed paper from the above here:
COVID-19 Data Collection, Comorbidity & Federal Law: A Historical Retrospective
Abstract
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on August 23, 2020,
“For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions
or causes in addition to COVID-19 , on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.”[1] For a nation tormented by restrictive public health policies mandated for healthy individuals and small businesses, this is the most important statistical revelation of this crisis. This revelation significantly impacts the published fatalities count due to COVID-19.
More importantly, it exposes major problems with the process by which the CDC was able to generate inaccurate data during a crisis. The CDC has advocated for social isolation, social distancing, and personal protective equipment use as primary mitigation strategies in response to the COVID-19 crisis, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the promise of inexpensive pharmaceutical and natural treatments. These mitigation strategies were promoted largely in response to projection model fatality forecasts that have proven to be substantially inaccurate. Further investigation into the legality of the methods used to create these strategies raised additional concerns and questions.
Why would the CDC decide against using a system of data collection & reporting they authored, and which has been in use nationwide for 17 years without incident, in favor of an untested & unproven system exclusively for COVID-19 without discussion and peer-review? Did the CDC’s decision to abandon a known and proven effective system also breach several federal laws that ensure data accuracy and integrity? Did the CDC knowingly alter rules for reporting cause of death in the presence of comorbidity exclusively for COVID-19? If so, why?
The above just addresses the first question I posed. BTW: The CDC has already confirmed most of the above. Most recently stating on average 4-6 comorbidities, by clarifying; Clearly, these people were unwell.
You are frozen in data from time gone by that was faked to form the foundation of a narrative. We have actual observed data now. Personally, I think you're suffering from battering source abuse. Maybe it's time to consider a divorce from your bad source(s)?
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You didn’t read the links, within the link. Either that or you’re guilty of what you’re accusing me of — you’ve become so wedded to your prejudices that you’ve lost your common sense.
What I looked at were the number of TOTAL deaths in the USA, FROM ALL CAUSES. There were around 3.35 million in 2020. There were 2.81 to 2.85 million in each of 2017, 2018 and 2019. So there were over 500,000 more deaths in 2020 than the prior few years.
The CDC only chalked up 345,000 deaths to COVID in 2020.
So where did those extra 500,000 deaths come from? LexusLover said the CDC faked the data. The problem with that explanation is that the data, the TOTAL number of deaths, is available at the state and county level. To fake the 3,350,000 TOTAL deaths, the CDC is going to have to fake the number of TOTAL deaths in states and counties. Undoubtedly people at the state health departments, like the Texas DSHS have compared their data to CDC numbers and would be raising bloody hell if it were faked. So you say, the states are in on it too. Well then the counties would be raising bloody hell.
This would require a massive conspiracy. It’s not plausible.
So now you’re faced with explaining what caused 500,000 more people to die in 2020. You can chalk some up to population growth and aging, probably less than 50,000. And yeah, if you want to say we had epidemics of gunshot wounds, pneumonia, or just cardiac arrest, and no COVID, you can make that argument. It doesn’t make sense though. The COVID caused the pneumonia and the pneumonia caused the death. You want to ignore the COVID.
Now if you want to make the argument that healthier people, who don’t have diabetes, high blood pressure, etc., are less likely to die from COVID, I’ll agree with you. But given the high level of obesity and poor health among our population, so what?
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01-24-2022, 09:58 AM
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In most cases death is prevented in people who were doubled vaccinated by either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines. In June 2021 there were only 4,000 plus breakthrough covid cases and fewer deaths. Over 200 million people have been double vaccinated.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covi...ccination.html
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That's easy to say since the Death rate for Covid is only about 2%. If the death rate was about 25% or more then you may have an argument.
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01-24-2022, 10:05 AM
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That's easy to say since the Death rate for Covid is only about 2%. If the death rate was about 25% or more then you may have an argument.
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Almost everyone will get COVID and/or get vaccinated. If 2% died from it and nobody got vaccinated, so that all 330 million Americans were infected, that’s 6.6 million deaths in the USA from COVID. A lot of people will get COVID more than once.
Fortunately the infection fatality rate is lower. Initially it might have been around 0.8%, before we had the vaccines and immunity from infections. It’s even lower now.
Going off the 0.8%, about 2.6 million Americans would die from COVID without the vaccines, assuming everyone was eventually infected. Admittedly that would be reduced by treatments like monoclonal antibodies and the new Pfizer pill, and possibly other drugs that have been around for a while, like ivermectin and fluvoxamine.
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01-24-2022, 10:17 AM
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The Actuarian wars, begun they have
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...This would require a massive conspiracy. It’s not plausible...
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I'm guessing that you believe the Mass Formation of multiple countries coming out with the Build Back Better moniker at the exact same time was just a freakish coincidence too?
Which leads me to believe that the fact that the median age of death from the covid was ~85 years old, with multiple comorbidities, was also a freakish coincidence as well. This ain't hard math.
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..So now you’re faced with explaining what caused 500,000 more people to die in 2020...
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Don't get your panties in a wad just yet. We are sending in a crack hit squad, more like a death squad - kinda like The Immortals in the movie 300 - to delve the depths of that very thing.
Release the ACTUARIANS!!
Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.
“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”
OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers nationwide.
Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.
“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.
“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”...
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01-24-2022, 11:01 AM
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You had one job
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...so what?
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You had one job, to answer three Yes/No questions. How hard of a task was that?
- Do you believe that all deaths from the covid were medically coded/recorded per existing law?
- Do you perceive a difference between "from" the covid vs "with" the covid?
- Do you believe the PCR test was highly accurate and developed and calibrated to detect the covid?
As penalty, I must add a fourth:
- Do you know that the PCR test was removed from use for detecting the covid on Dec 31, 2021?
As to your all cause death, also take a gander at:
https://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=2825570
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01-24-2022, 11:20 AM
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Almost everyone will get COVID and/or get vaccinated. If 2% died from it and nobody got vaccinated, so that all 330 million Americans were infected, that’s 6.6 million deaths in the USA from COVID. A lot of people will get COVID more than once.
Fortunately the infection fatality rate is lower. Initially it might have been around 0.8%, before we had the vaccines and immunity from infections. It’s even lower now.
Going off the 0.8%, about 2.6 million Americans would die from COVID without the vaccines, assuming everyone was eventually infected. Admittedly that would be reduced by treatments like monoclonal antibodies and the new Pfizer pill, and possibly other drugs that have been around for a while, like ivermectin and fluvoxamine.
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Wrong, the death rate for Covid-19 has hovered around 2% from the beginning long before the vaccine was introduced, that statistic really hasn't changed. If you contract covid there is still a 2% chance you can succumb to it regardless of vaccination status.
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