MAP SHOWS HIGH GUN OWNERSHIP = LOW CRIME

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

FUSHTA!

You never did explain what points you're arguing and how they relate to the topic of this thread.

I guess that's the reason you're hurling insults at everybody in your path rather than sound, logical discussion.

Pity.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You never did explain what points you're arguing and how they relate to the topic of this thread.

I guess that's the reason you're hurling insults at everybody in your path rather than sound, logical discussion.

Pity.

Hey, Assup the jackass, where’s your baking soda burgling-murderer?

[Yssup Rider]

Pathetic.

You know as well as I did that I never claimed that anybody committed murder while trying to steal baking soda. Show me where I said that.

I suggest reading glasses.

Or reading classes.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Pathetic.

You know as well as I did that I never claimed that anybody committed murder while trying to steal baking soda. Show me where I said that.

I suggest reading glasses.

Or reading classes.

You've still offered no proof for your baking soda burgling-murderer, Assup the jackass!

[acp5762]

This is the real reason why Gun Control is a really bad idea. Especially coming from this crackpot administration.

http://youtu.be/eE5q0fx7LT0

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by acp5762

This is the real reason why Gun Control is a really bad idea. Especially coming from this crackpot administration.

http://youtu.be/eE5q0fx7LT0

Come on!!! Ground invasion of the U.S.??? Comparing the U.S. of today to the U.S. back in the 1940s as to why the Japanese didn't attack U.S. soil??? The lack of firepower for a militia???

Yes, if I REALLY worried about those issues the video would have some validity to me. I don't even waste time thinking about it. If I were you I'd focus on more relevant issues in your day-to-day life.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Come on!!! Ground invasion of the U.S.??? Comparing the U.S. of today to the U.S. back in the 1940s as to why the Japanese didn't attack U.S. soil??? The lack of firepower for a militia???

Yes, if I REALLY worried about those issues the video would have some validity to me. I don't even waste time thinking about it. If I were you I'd focus on more relevant issues in your day-to-day life.

Yeah, these fellas ought to sell some of their guns and build bunkers! Stock up on tuna, spam and, oh yeah, BAKING SODA!

Maybe we should just let the juvenile drug gangs stand guard.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Yeah, these fellas ought to sell some of their guns and build bunkers! Stock up on tuna, spam and, oh yeah, BAKING SODA!

Maybe we should just let the juvenile drug gangs stand guard.

You are unduly concerned about your on-hand stock of baking soda, Assup the jackass!?! Other than poking your plastic playmate with your puny prick in mother's basement, what else are you doing down there, Assup the jackass?




@Speedy:

Using data from 2003 through 2008:
• Newark, N.J.: 20.0% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oakland, CA: 12.5% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oklahoma City, OK: 25.4% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Los Angeles, CA: 5.0% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...with_viol.html

Several street gangs are involved in drug distribution and violent crime throughout the state [of New Jersey]. Survey responses to the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) National Street Gang Survey Report 2000 illustrate that most of the 19 reported street gangs in New Jersey distribute drugs and commit violent crimes, including assaults, drive-by shootings, and homicides. The Bloods, Latin Kings, and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters, a cultural group, are the most prominent (have the most chapters). (See text box.) All distribute cocaine, heroin, and marijuana from Jersey City and Irvington, New Jersey. The Latin Kings and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters cultural group also distribute in Camden, while the Bloods distribute in Eatontown. . . .

“The New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice (NJDCJ) reports that drug-related crime is increasing at an alarming rate throughout the state. NJDCJ estimates that 70 percent of violent crime results directly from drug activity.”
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/...9/overview.htm

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

@Speedy:

Using data from 2003 through 2008:
• Newark, N.J.: 20.0% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oakland, CA: 12.5% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oklahoma City, OK: 25.4% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Los Angeles, CA: 5.0% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...with_viol.html

Several street gangs are involved in drug distribution and violent crime throughout the state [of New Jersey]. Survey responses to the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) National Street Gang Survey Report 2000 illustrate that most of the 19 reported street gangs in New Jersey distribute drugs and commit violent crimes, including assaults, drive-by shootings, and homicides. The Bloods, Latin Kings, and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters, a cultural group, are the most prominent (have the most chapters). (See text box.) All distribute cocaine, heroin, and marijuana from Jersey City and Irvington, New Jersey. The Latin Kings and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters cultural group also distribute in Camden, while the Bloods distribute in Eatontown. . . .

“The New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice (NJDCJ) reports that drug-related crime is increasing at an alarming rate throughout the state. NJDCJ estimates that 70 percent of violent crime results directly from drug activity.”
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/...9/overview.htm

First, try to understand the data that YOU are presenting. It is breaking down total homicides to just gang homicides connected to drugs. To use Newark as an example, 80% of gang homicides had NOTHING to do with drugs. So the data presented does not depict how many gang homicides there were out of the total homicides in Newark and, secondly, clearly states that the majority (80%) of the gang homicides were NOT drug related.

Again, as I stated earlier, I really don't care about the make-up of who committed the more than 17,000 gun homicides in the U.S. each year. I'm sure that many of the homicides were done by people under the influence of alcohol. Many were committed due to family violence. We have a problem in the U.S. that other countries similar to us do NOT have. To reiterate,using your data, even if you "solve" the drug problem and eliminate the estimated 1,200 per year who die in drug-related gun homicides, you still have roughly 16,000 other homicides.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You are unduly concerned about your on-hand stock of baking soda, Assup the jackass!?! Other than poking your plastic playmate with your puny prick in mother's basement, what else are you doing down there, Assup the jackass?




@Speedy:

Using data from 2003 through 2008:
• Newark, N.J.: 20.0% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oakland, CA: 12.5% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Oklahoma City, OK: 25.4% percent of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
• Los Angeles, CA: 5.0% of gang homicides were connected to drugs.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...with_viol.html

Several street gangs are involved in drug distribution and violent crime throughout the state [of New Jersey]. Survey responses to the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC) National Street Gang Survey Report 2000 illustrate that most of the 19 reported street gangs in New Jersey distribute drugs and commit violent crimes, including assaults, drive-by shootings, and homicides. The Bloods, Latin Kings, and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters, a cultural group, are the most prominent (have the most chapters). (See text box.) All distribute cocaine, heroin, and marijuana from Jersey City and Irvington, New Jersey. The Latin Kings and Ñetas street gangs and Five Percenters cultural group also distribute in Camden, while the Bloods distribute in Eatontown. . . .

“The New Jersey Division of Criminal Justice (NJDCJ) reports that drug-related crime is increasing at an alarming rate throughout the state. NJDCJ estimates that 70 percent of violent crime results directly from drug activity.”
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/...9/overview.htm

what's the point again, IBNutz?

what do you want everybody to admit?

guns don't kill people, crime does?

Criminals don't need guns. Just drugs?

Drug gangs commit murders? And they use guns.

If criminals are outlawed then only outlaws will be criminals?


YOU KEEP PRESENTING RESEARCH BUT HAVEN'T YET TOLD US WHAT POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, THE "AH HA, HE'S RIGHT!" MOMENT OF THE DEBATE.

YOU JUST KEEP ARGUING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON...

If you have a point you're trying to prove, please state it.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

First, try to understand the data that YOU are presenting. It is breaking down total homicides to just gang homicides connected to drugs. To use Newark as an example, 80% of gang homicides had NOTHING to do with drugs. So the data presented does not depict how many gang homicides there were out of the total homicides in Newark and, secondly, clearly states that the majority (80%) of the gang homicides were NOT drug related. In Newark, 20% does!!! And the "personal animosity" that LE doesn't "attribute" directly to drugs stems from the fact that these gangs are often violent rivals in the illicit drug business, and drugs are a principal source of income that sustains and perpetuates the gangs' very existence! Further, "[the] NJDCJ estimates that 70 percent of violent crime results directly from drug activity."http://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/...9/overview.htm

Again, as I stated earlier, I really don't care about the make-up of who committed the more than 17,000 gun homicides in the U.S. each year. I'm sure that many of the homicides were done by people under the influence of alcohol. Many were committed due to family violence. We have a problem in the U.S. that other countries similar to us do NOT have. To reiterate,using your data, even if you "solve" the drug problem and eliminate the estimated 1,200 per year who die in drug-related gun homicides, you still have roughly 16,000 other homicides.Just an FYI, Speedy, the UNODC reported there were 9960 gun related homicides in 2010: not your paranoid and inflated "17,000".

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Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

what's the point again, IBNutz?

what do you want everybody to admit?

guns don't kill people, crime does?

Criminals don't need guns. Just drugs?

Drug gangs commit murders? And they use guns.

If criminals are outlawed then only outlaws will be criminals?


YOU KEEP PRESENTING RESEARCH BUT HAVEN'T YET TOLD US WHAT POINT YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, THE "AH HA, HE'S RIGHT!" MOMENT OF THE DEBATE.

YOU JUST KEEP ARGUING ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON...

If you have a point you're trying to prove, please state it.

You've still haven't offered any proof for your baking soda burgling-murderer, Assup the jackass! Are you still searching? BTW, you were elected:

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

DIPSHIT OF THE YEAR 2013

ASSUP!!!

[JCM800]

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

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You've still haven't offered any proof for your baking soda burgling-murderer, Assup the jackass! Are you still searching? BTW, you were elected:

ANOTHER DODGE.

Obviously the "YEAH, HE'S RIGHT" moment is mine! I'm right! You're unwilling to explain yourself or assign any point to your droning Google search results.

You have been known to evade questions and dodge issues by flinging repetitive feces at the world, but I don't ever recall seeing one of your meltdowns lasing a week.

You're on track for that now, IBSyndrome.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

From I B AN IDIOT:

In Newark, 20% does!!! And the "personal animosity" that LE doesn't "attribute" directly to drugs stems from the fact that these gangs are often violent rivals in the illicit drug business, and drugs are a principal source of income that sustains and perpetuates the gangs' very existence! Further, "[the] NJDCJ estimates that 70 percent of violent crime results directly from drug activity."

Just an FYI, Speedy, the UNODC reported there were 9960 gun related homicides in 2010: not your paranoid and inflated "17,000".

To repeat -- I don't care about how people were killed or what the absolute number of gun-related homicides is. The fact, once again since you don't seem to get my point, is that the U.S., no matter how you look at it, has more guns per capita than any other nation in the world, and is way ahead of all countries with similar demographics in homicide rate per capita. We have a problem.

[Yssup Rider]

He's not going to admit it. He's not going to admit anything.

Come on IBRetarded, answer SpeedRacer's questions:

1) Do you or do you not acknowledge that the US has more guns per capita than any other nation in the world?

2) Do you or do you not acknowldege that the US is way ahead of all countries in similar demographics in homicide rate per capita?