The Corrupt Ukraine Scam

[HDGristle]

They are if they've been maintained by the Russians all this time

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by tommy156

I've already told you I have friends and family there. Trust me, they're psyched about the cluster bombs. Time to hit the war criminal Putin where it hurts. Hell awaits.

Will they be as psyched when they are blown to pieces by a cluster bomb now or in years into the future when they stumble across one that hadn't yet exploded. KABOOM. Bits and pieces. Yeah, bet they will be really psyched then that corrupt Ukraine committed war crimes that killed them. Then what will you do

[berryberry]

Here is the opportunity for all the warmongering leftists.

They all like to talk a big game - time to put their asses on the line and go sign up to fight if they feel so strongly about corrupt Ukraine

Which one is volunteering first?

We know the answer - not a single damn one of them. Meanwhile Senile Biden today ordered active duty members and units of the Selected Reserve for deployment to Europe in ‘Operation Atlantic Resolve’

So Senile Biden is putting more American Troops into action to assist with this whole corrupt Ukraine scam. Come on, which warmongering leftist is going to sign up and fight? Ukraine will take any volunteer

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

They are if they've been maintained by the Russians all this time

That was mostly tongue in cheek. They’re nifty toys, but pretty useless against an m4/16 or mp5 up close.

[HDGristle]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

That was mostly tongue in cheek. They’re nifty toys, but pretty useless against an m4/16 or mp5 up close.

They would be just fine for sweeping trenches, up close. Except they're trying to defend.

But when we're talking about who doesn't care about its civilians and soldiers it's shit like this that takes the cake.

Now, as for your colleague's fear mongering and fake concern and outrage.... anyone interested in a more detailed look, pro and con, of the use of cluster munitions in Ukraine by both sides and should start with an article like this one

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/19201

No one care about the pathetic taunts or your tailored binaries and there are a plethora of ways to support the Ukrainians in their fight against Putin's illegal invasion and annexations.

[Jacuzzme]

Not in today’s world, there’s way better choices but that’s a different conversation.

I couldn’t care less about cluster bombs, it’s manufactured outrage. They don’t “bring the pain” more than anything else that goes boom. It needs to be over before the effort to save face starts killing Americans , or more Ukrainians and Russians for that matter. They’re all just people like you and I, who have no resemblance or connection to the politicians looking to get richer from this clusterfuck. Ukrainians aren’t going to take Donbas or Crimea without international (aka American) help on the ground and in the air, and we’re all in for a world of hurt if that happens. Just end it ffs.

[tommy156]

Just end it, indeed. And that ball has always 100% been in Putin's court.

[Jacuzzme]

As it is has been in Zelinsky’s. You seem to think Putin just woke up one day and said fuck it, let’s roll into Ukraine. The region is far more complicated than that. This has been brewing since Obama and his people thought they should be the ones to determine the area’s fate, and getting a bunch of crooked US politicians, on both sides of the isle, richer in the process. This make believe noble cause is only there for public consumption, and it takes little looking to see how it’s being lapped up.

[HDGristle]

Sorry, J. Putin made the choice to invade and clearly doesn't give a fuck about his people, nor your people in Crimea.

You and I will not agree on who started it nor how this needs to end.

[Jacuzzme]

That’s ok. People can disagree cordially.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Here is the opportunity for all the warmongering leftists.

They all like to talk a big game - time to put their asses on the line and go sign up to fight if they feel so strongly about corrupt Ukraine

Which one is volunteering first?

We know the answer - not a single damn one of them. Meanwhile Senile Biden today ordered active duty members and units of the Selected Reserve for deployment to Europe in ‘Operation Atlantic Resolve’

So Senile Biden is putting more American Troops into action to assist with this whole corrupt Ukraine scam. Come on, which warmongering leftist is going to sign up and fight? Ukraine will take any volunteer

So do we have any volunteers yet?

The warmongering leftists like to talk a big game but are always unwilling to back it up. Meanwhile 3000 more reservists are called up and put in harms way to assist with this whole corrupt Ukraine scam.

[HDGristle]

Better watch them rocks when you live in a glass house, Berry

[berryberry]

Liberals Lose It After Cornel West Tells CNN That NATO Is To Blame For Ukraine Crisis

Left-wing activist and academic firebrand Cornel West appeared on CNN prime time Thursday night, and gave show host Kaitlin Collins a dose of reality not typically heard on the network when the issue of the Ukraine war is broached. West recently announced as a Third-party 2024 presidential candidate (seeking the Green Party's nomination), so during the interview he was pressed on his foreign policy stance.

"If Russia had missiles in Mexico and Canada, the United States government would probably blow them to smithereens because that’s how empires behave. We had the same challenge in Cuba in 1962. So what we end up with is a criminal invasion," West stated firmly in the interview segment.

West then lashed out at the 'establishment Left' and mainstream Liberals in general...

"And I know that some of my left-wing comrades, ‘Oh it’s an invasion,’ but a criminal invasion provoked by the expansion of NATO, which is an instrument of U.S. global power," he said. Collins then asked what practical steps he would take to resolve the Russia-Ukraine crisis:

Collins: "Practically speaking, what would you accept in Ukraine? Like what? I mean, Trump claims he could fix it. What would that look like for you?"

West: "Oh, what I would do, I would bring in the Chinese, the Turks, the African rulers. I would sit down with the Ukrainian leaders and say, we must stop this war, stop these war crimes, cluster bombs on a variety of different parties and make sure that we begin a diplomatic process for a just peace."

He described robust negotiations which would inevitably lead to territorial concessions, to get Russian troops to leave...

"And that just peace is going to have some serious concessions across the board. Russian troops have to leave. There’s going to be debates over the territory. There going to be some kind of concessions over the territory, but stop the killing. . .

"So there’s responsibility and blame across the board. But the American empire does bear a significant responsibility here, even though it is not the sole or exclusive responsibility. And it’s in no way a pro-Putin talking point," he emphasized.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ine-crisis-cnn

[tommy156]

You still don't get it. There are no "territorial concessions" to be made. Putin? Get the fuck out. The end.

Until Putin fucks off or dies, you can just get used to his *war of choice* continuing to drain the American taxpayers. It's his choice. Make no mistake about it.

And you're mad at Ukraine. Lol. For simply defending themselves and their families from a proven war criminal. Fucking ridiculous.

[Jacuzzme]

You can keep living in your bloodthirsty, misinformed fantasyland, but what you want to happen isn’t going to.

West is spot on in his assessment, although he does leave out the financial motives.