Trump had a Captain Queeg moment today, while the USA watched!!!!!!

[elghund]

Originally Posted by Zollner

Big Money, Corporations, along with the Super Rich 1%, for 100s of years have used the Republican party as their main proxy, in promoting 'Wedge Issues'! All of the above qualify plus throw in immigration and even more, race, religion, unions, regulation, guns, the press, trump Wall, China virus, Climate Change, etc. The function of wedge issues is to 'foment fear' and 'incite hate'! The old 'divide and conquer' gambit used countless time to Con and BS folks into deluding they are somehow getting hosed.

Big Money, Corporations, along with the Super Rich 1% know, as trump admitted last week that if Universal Voting/Online Voting is implemented the GOP will never win another election! This is the reason Moscow Mitch works so hard at Voter Suppression! Now trump LIES all mail-in votes are fake. GOP knows they can only win by Hook & by Crook, as they DID in 2016. Where 66 million voted for Hillary and 63 million voted for Don the Con! Face it The Swamp put trump in office, the people Voted in Hillary.

It is with education, science and medicine we progress. These are the experts folks should listen to! Not hunches and the brain of a moron who went bankrupt several times. Yet Don the Con, cons his rubes & dupes into thinking he is a great businessman and 'grand/expert negotiator' who after over 3 years still hasn't gotten Mexico to pay for his fucking unfinished trump Wall!!!!

If you need trump's brain to think for you, you got a big problem!

Time to abandon trumps fear and hate mongering Wedge Issues which only dumb you down. Jump off his Ship of Fools before it sinks and takes you under!!! Wedge Issues are a total waste of time and energy and only play into the hands of the divide and conquer clique!!!

Sorry Z......

...but a rock could have beaten Trump in ‘16. Unfortunately, the Dems ran Hillary, who is dumber than a rock........

elg.......


#Z2020

[Guest072323]

Originally Posted by Zollner

For that past 10 minutes folks will think the are watching the Caine Mutiny AGAIN!
Donny looks like he is losing it!

Incorrect.... but that's hardly breaking news....

and edit add: fuckin elg....

[Next Best Thing]

Z I do not consider myself as dumb as the majority of the fake republicans who infest our board but I am kind of dumb so somehow it still hasn't registered with me how Trump fucked with the 2016 election other than by upsetting the male lesbians who were praying for Hillary Clitoris.

Do me a favor and break it down for me as systematically as possible.

Z2020

[Zollner]

N It is really quite easy. One needs to only go back to why the Electoral College was created in the first place. Our Founding Fathers were men of wealth, landowners and such. They liked the concept of Democracy but wanted to ensure wealth will always prevail and call the shots in their new Republic. They feared a candidate not as sympathetic to them may win an election. So a Direct election was nixed in favor of adding a device (the electoral college) as a means to insure elections can be manipulated to go their way, if needed. This way the popular vote by the people will not insure they get who they voted for and who won the popular vote.

There have been a few elections in the past where this has happened. The 2000 'hanging chad election' just a few years ago is the most recent example. 2000 was a perfect case, showing how an election can be manipulated by Big money interests pulling the right strings/chads. This led to Dubya being installed in the WH.....and the disasters for the US that ensued.

2016 was much worse. Hillary gets 66 million votes while trump with only 63 million votes is installed by the EC. This is why trump fumed and worried so about being considered the Illegitimate President, that he is! This has also happened at times in British History regarding their Kings they considered Illegitimate. Brits had a beautiful term when this happened calling him the 'Bastard King'! A term used against him his whole reign. So there it is, some people I know, you can say many many people, consider Don the Con the Bastard President!.....believe me.....LOL

[Willie Wanker]

Originally Posted by Zollner

N It is really quite easy. One needs to only go back to why the Electoral College was created in the first place. Our Founding Fathers were men of wealth, landowners and such. They liked the concept of Democracy but wanted to ensure wealth will always prevail and call the shots in their new Republic. They feared a candidate not as sympathetic to them may win an election. So a Direct election was nixed in favor of adding a device (the electoral college) as a means to insure elections can be manipulated to go their way, if needed. This way the popular vote by the people will not insure they get who they voted for and who won the popular vote.


There have been a few elections in the past where this has happened. The 2000 'hanging chad election' just a few years ago is the most recent example. 2000 was a perfect case, showing how an election can be manipulated by Big money interests pulling the right strings/chads. This led to Dubya being installed in the WH.....and the disasters for the US that ensued.


2016 was much worse. Hillary gets 66 million votes while trump with only 63 million votes is installed by the EC. This is why trump fumed and worried so about being considered the Illegitimate President, that he is! This has also happened at times in British History regarding their Kings they considered Illegitimate. Brits had a beautiful term when this happened calling him the 'Bastard King'! A term used against him his whole reign. So there it is, some people I know, you can say many many people, consider Don the Con the Bastard President!.....believe me.....LOL

Well written as always Zollner. (I'm not being sarcastic). Transferring my thoughts to text has never been one of my strong suits. So credit where it's due.

In your response to NBT where do you actually answer his question?

He asked you to explain
how Trump fucked with the 2016 election.

The electoral college was already in place for many years before the 2016 election.
Trump winning the electoral college doesn't equate to him fucking with the election. Democrats may have felt fucked over by losing, but still not Trump's fault. The same rules apply to both sides.
Maybe your answer to NBT's question isn't obvious to me and I overlooked it. If that's the case, please point it out to me.

Here is more info about the electoral college in the Constitution.

From: history.com
The Electoral College in the U.S. Constitution
The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation.
The Constitutional Convention of 1787 considered several methods of electing the President, including selection by Congress, by the governors of the states, by the state legislatures, by a special group of Members of Congress chosen by lot and by direct popular election. Late in the convention, the matter was referred to the Committee of Eleven on Postponed Matters, which devised the Electoral College system in its original form. This plan, which met with widespread approval by the delegates, was incorpora
ted into the final document with only minor changes.

[Guest072323]

Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

In your response to NBT where do you actually answer his question?

Don't bother looking... he's a lot like Stewie like that....

[Willie Wanker]

I'm trying to fend off a woodpecker in another thread.

[Next Best Thing]

Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

Well written as always Zollner. (I'm not being sarcastic). Transferring my thoughts to text has never been one of my strong suits. So credit where it's due.

In your response to NBT where do you actually answer his question?

He asked you to explain
how Trump fucked with the 2016 election.

The electoral college was already in place for many years before the 2016 election.
Trump winning the electoral college doesn't equate to him fucking with the election. Democrats may have felt fucked over by losing, but still not Trump's fault. The same rules apply to both sides.
Maybe your answer to NBT's question isn't obvious to me and I overlooked it. If that's the case, please point it out to me.

Here is more info about the electoral college in the Constitution.

From: history.com
The Electoral College in the U.S. Constitution
The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation.
The Constitutional Convention of 1787 considered several methods of electing the President, including selection by Congress, by the governors of the states, by the state legislatures, by a special group of Members of Congress chosen by lot and by direct popular election. Late in the convention, the matter was referred to the Committee of Eleven on Postponed Matters, which devised the Electoral College system in its original form. This plan, which met with widespread approval by the delegates, was incorpora
ted into the final document with only minor changes.

The 12th Amendment is very complex. James Madison was very intelligent.

Disempowering less populous states is very dangerous if the federal government is interested in maintaining a union.

Z's answer was an attack on the electoral college process and not a description of anything Super Trump or Super Trump's campaign did or did not do.

The truth is the democrat national committee was responsible for a series of atrocities in 2016 which probably started (although who knows with those creeps) with the imperial fucking of moronic weakling Bernie Sanders and climaxed with the Steele dossier, which was funded by Hillary Clitoris, and the Mueller investigation, which was a farce conducted by the democrat party. Even though all of these things ultimately have added up to nothing, they all disrupted the Super Trump presidency which was the primary directive once Clitoris inexplicably/unexpectedly/deliciously lost the election.

The one thing that is almost impossible to get around is that democrat operatives, federal law enforcement, the Hussein administration, the main stream media, and the twitter mob are all collectively suffering from a combination of TDS and PMS which gets worse every day.

All of this shit makes me happy and sad at the same time.

Z2020.

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

He asked you to explain
how Trump fucked with the 2016 election.

In 2016 it was more a case of the GOP doing that with or without help from trump.

Remember our Founding Fathers added a device (the electoral college) as a means to insure elections can be manipulated to go their way, if needed. This way the popular vote by the people will not insure they get who they voted for and who won the popular vote.

GOP saw they had a means with the EC, to keep Hillary who got 3 million more votes out of the WH, by manipulating the EC and installing trump in spite of the FACT Donny got 3 million votes less.

The EC is a peculiar beast. 50 States each pick 'electors' who go to DC to actually elect the POTUS every 4 years. These 'electors' are in theory supposed to vote for the candidate that won their States popular vote BUT are free NOT TO, or may be given instructions otherwise by the Governor of their State. Face it the GOP wanted to keep Hillary out so they did by nullifying the Popular Vote and installed trump, who they deluded they could control.

GOP was wrong and could not control trump who retaliated by essentially destroying the GOP and morphing it into the 'party of trump' where loyal lackeys, mindless servile followers and ass-kisser toadies need only apply.

trump then merely followed and uses this guide below... works like charm!

[Next Best Thing]

Sure Z but how many times have electors deliberately voted against the candidate that the state's electorate voted in favor of? I'm not sure it's ever actually happened.

Also I believe there are a couple of states that do not require that electors unanimously vote for the candidate with the greatest number of popular votes within the state. I believe Nebraska is one of them.

I think the most moronic democrat party plot I have heard of relatively recently was the inane idea that states allocate their electors to whichever candidate wins the overall, national, popular vote. This in effect acts to nullify the votes of the citizens of the state itself which seems counterintuitive, no?

Z2020.

[Willie Wanker]

I thought he was.addressing the question tof Trump fucking with the election you asked him to lay it all out.
Well that makes sense why I couldn't find it then.Lol.

[Next Best Thing]

That was my original question Willie, you read this correctly.

I'm sure Z knows all about the presidential election of 1876 but for anyone who doesn't and who would like to familiarize him or herself with a genuinely fucked up election process, I suggest at least a quick bit of research on that one.

Maybe the country was all bent out of shape over the centennial celebration in Philthadelphia getting fucked up when the country found out about the Little Bighorn debacle. Probably not.

Z2020

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by Next Best Thing

The one thing that is almost impossible to get around is that democrat operatives, federal law enforcement, the Hussein administration, the main stream media, and the twitter mob are all collectively suffering from a combination of TDS and PMS which gets worse every day.

Z2020.

Hey, is what's going on the other side amongst the TTPs & TTTs really any different????...LOL



...on we go.... WHEW

[Willie Wanker]

Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

Well written as always Zollner. (I'm not being sarcastic). Transferring my thoughts to text has never been one of my strong suits. So credit where it's due.

In your response to NBT where do you actually answer his question?

He asked you to explain
how Trump fucked with the 2016 election.

The electoral college was already in place for many years before the 2016 election.
Trump winning the electoral college doesn't equate to him fucking with the election. Democrats may have felt fucked over by losing, but still not Trump's fault. The same rules apply to both sides.
Maybe your answer to NBT's question isn't obvious to me and I overlooked it. If that's the case, please point it out to me.

Here is more info about the electoral college in the Constitution.

From: history.com
The Electoral College in the U.S. Constitution
The original purpose of the Electoral College was to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation.
The Constitutional Convention of 1787 considered several methods of electing the President, including selection by Congress, by the governors of the states, by the state legislatures, by a special group of Members of Congress chosen by lot and by direct popular election. Late in the convention, the matter was referred to the Committee of Eleven on Postponed Matters, which devised the Electoral College system in its original form. This plan, which met with widespread approval by the delegates, was incorpora
ted into the final document with only minor changes.

In the words of the late great Emily Litella, NEVERMIND! 😳

[Zollner]

Originally Posted by Willie Wanker

I thought he was.addressing the question tof Trump fucking with the election you asked him to lay it all out.
Well that makes sense why I couldn't find it then.Lol.

Gave the stock trump answer you swallowed forever without question by Don the Con....LOL


Originally Posted by Willie Wanker View Post
He asked you to explain
how Trump fucked with the 2016 election.

In 2016 it was more a case of the GOP doing that with or without help from trump.