Just Curious...The 14th Amendment Debate What Do You Think?

[yogi692]

sorry likinikki but yes all illegals....I am sorry for the children but there are alot of American kids with out parents or bad parents that need to be taken care of also.

[Rodram]

The statement I made about you and illegal sex services was to point out that the comparison you drew between Iran and those imprisoned Americans and immigration here in the states was a false equivalency. I guess the point that I'm trying to make Yogi, is that the illegal immigration issue is not a black and white issue that can be surmised in just a couple of declarative statements. The Constitution itself is a fluid,living document and it is that way for issues as they present themselves not unlike immigration. I sounded condescending to you and I apologize for that but the truth and facts do have a liberal bias and I am a Liberal and it happens. Peace and many more awesome ball-gravy tosses to ya!!! LOL

[obanrocks]

I disagree with you Rodram. The Constitution is not a living document. If you want to make a change - file an amendment. The authors defined how it should be changed - and not by way of the court system as is current practice.

As to the Lovely LikiNikki's Question - Children of illegal immigrants should not be granted citizenship IMNSHO.

[yogi692]

We all have our faults rodram..)

[Rodram]

Unfortunately Oban, centuries of court precedence, litigation and the Supreme Court don't agree with you. To do otherwise would be to re-litigate the past and most americans aren't about to revive the "Jim Crow South" and all of the egregiousness of our past just because some people are absolutist and can't accept that the world is technical, complex and interdependent. The issues of this country can't be resolved around the ole' cracker barrel at Uncle Buck's country store with Gabby and John Wayne at the helm anymore.

[Rodram]

Boy ain't that the truth huh? LOL !

[Rodram]

Originally Posted by Rodram

Boy ain't that the truth huh? LOL !

That was for Yogi, sorry.......and speaking of faults...

[Likinikki]

Yogi...no apology needed! Don't get me wrong friends...there's no right or wrong here. I was just curious as to your thoughts on this. Appreciate the input...I'm finding this interesting.

[Rodram]

Originally Posted by Likinikki

Yogi...no apology needed! Don't get me wrong friends...there's no right or wrong here. I was just curious as to your thoughts on this. Appreciate the input...I'm finding this interesting.

It's a tough issue Nik. Unfortunately so much of the rhetoric that is out there is spawned by radio and t.v. personalities that have an agenda other than what's best for the this country and unlimited resources to flood the airwaves with lies and misinformation. We have a volatile future politically and more is to come unfortunately. And this is what I mean: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_806211.html

[chii]

interesting
country of immigrant don't like immigrants

guess
hypocrisy is in our nature

[obanrocks]

Originally Posted by Rodram

Unfortunately Oban, centuries of court precedence, litigation and the Supreme Court don't agree with you. To do otherwise would be to re-litigate the past and most americans aren't about to revive the "Jim Crow South" and all of the egregiousness of our past just because some people are absolutist and can't accept that the world is technical, complex and interdependent. The issues of this country can't be resolved around the ole' cracker barrel at Uncle Buck's country store with Gabby and John Wayne at the helm anymore.

Why are you resorting to insults and over-simplification? It diminishes the validity of your argument. I cannot undo the past nor your angst about it.

The issues of this Country can be resolved by enforcing laws already on the books.

[yogi692]

immigrants that dont like immigrants....yes we are made up of people who's great great grand perants were immigrants....for the most part they came stood in line took an oath and became citizens. The people we are talking about did not do that, therefore Illegal.

[raedy4funn45]

Any child born in the USA, even by an illegal imigrant, is a citizen. I can understand that part of the constitution. The child is the citizen, not the parents.

Now, just because your baby is born in the USA, the babies illegal imigrant parents should have no right to remain in this country, or to receive any taxpayer funded services (welfare, social security, free college, etc). These services should only be for American citizens.

"illegal imigrant" is any person from any country who is in the USA without proper documentation.

[yogi692]

thank you raedy4...you put it in a nut shell.

[Rodram]

Originally Posted by obanrocks

Why are you resorting to insults and over-simplification? It diminishes the validity of your argument. I cannot undo the past nor your angst about it.

The issues of this Country can be resolved by enforcing laws already on the books.

If there is an over simplification it's coming from you. I never asked you to "undo the past" my response was informing you what would happen if we re-litigated the past and that is what you were positing and my "angst" is not against the past but recognition that returning to it is not a path for moving this country forward. An over simplification is believing that issues confronting America "can be resolved simply by enforcing laws" and that is the absolutist view that I was referring to. Wiki explains the context well when I refer to the term "absolutist":
Moral absolutism is the ethical view that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, regardless of other contexts such as their consequences or the intentions behind them. Thus stealing, for instance, might be considered to be always immoral, even if done to promote some other good (e.g., stealing food to feed a starving family), and even if it does in the end promote such a good. Moral absolutism stands in contrast to other categories of normative ethical theories such as consequentialism, which holds that the morality (in the wide sense) of an act depends on the consequences or the context of the act