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Old 09-18-2012, 03:48 AM   #31
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Ah, but are the Israelis really our friends through thick and thin? If you look at the record dispassionately, many of their actions have been very counter to our national interests.
Please list "our national interests" ... or did the article you used list them?


http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

The Israelis have been are only long-term, steadfast friends in the region.

As for "selling" an AWAC to the Chinese, are you really concerned about economic ties to China and the flow of U.S. technology to China?
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:39 AM   #32
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Israel serve(s) our interests by proxy in the region. We used to be the tail that wagged the dog. Now it seems the tail is wagging the dog. I do not care for how the power has shifted to the Israelis national interests over "our national interests".

Have any of you read how there was a huge debate about supporting Israel or our Muslim interests in the region by the Truman admin. ?

http://jcpa.org/article/president-tr...ognize-israel/
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:33 AM   #33
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Israel serve(s) our interests by proxy in the region.

Have any of you read how there was a huge debate about ...
The U.S. has provided assistance to "Muslim" countries in the Middle East .. and Europe ... and "we" have attempted to be "fair and balanced" in our military materiel offerings with a slight edge to the Israelis (because of the obvious, but also I don't think "we" have been overly concerned about their continued loyalty .... until now!).

For a man who professed to gain the appreciation and friendship of the world, our current CIC sure seems to have pissed off a lot of people!

Now he is dismissing Israel?
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:29 AM   #34
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So, will the Jews vote for Obama again?
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:17 AM   #35
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So, will the Jews vote for Obama again?
Will the union membership?
Will the Hispanics?
Will the Blacks?

The problem today with "grouping" is that it "assumes" that someone at the top of the pyramid of that particular group has some influence on how the base of that group votes. Union members are just as concerned about voicing their opinion they are not going to vote for Obama as are the average person being polled is reluctant to say they are not going to vote for Obama this time around .. because they do not want to be "scolded" for being a racist. Already on this board the "race card" has been played and it will continue to be played, even after the election.

I repeat: Kerry skipped his last stop in Ohio and went home to celebrate because of the exit polling stated results that he was going to take Ohio.

Wait until we hear: Vote for Obama to prevent rioting (in this country)!

I said before: If Israel pulls the trigger on Iran by mid October and Obaminable backs them up with words AND muscle ... he and Biten will be shoe ins (and yes they will get most of the Jewish vote).

To many people are "listening" to the biased media reports, distorted blogs, and noisy pundits ... and deciding Obaminable is going to win. If that were actually the case and they believed it why would they be trashing and name calling the oppostion ... "idiots"?

The only "idiots" are those who "want" 4 more years of the last 3 1/2 years, and actually believ they are better off today than they were in 2009.

Where are Obaminable's college transcrpts (and admission/scholarship apps)?
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:33 AM   #36
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So, will the Jews vote for Obama again?
Yes

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Will the union membership?
Will the Hispanics?
Will the Blacks??

Yes
Yes
and Yes

Mitt does have the Mormon vote wrapped up!
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:37 AM   #37
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The U.S. has provided assistance to "Muslim" countries in the Middle East .. and Europe ... and "we" have attempted to be "fair and balanced" in our military materiel offerings with a slight edge to the Israelis (because of the obvious, but also I don't think "we" have been overly concerned about their continued loyalty .... until now!).

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Yes in our welfare Defense system we are somewhat fair. We give countries aid, so they can buy military crap for their countries. This is a form of welfare that does not get discussed in the GOP.
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Mitt does have the Mormon vote wrapped up!
And don't forget the Far Right Wing Tea Nut Idiot vote is solidly in Mitt's column!
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:09 PM   #39
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Just an FYI

TEHRAN, Sept. 18 (Xinhua) -- Iran's Navy launched the overhauled super-heavy submarine and indigenous destroyer in the Persian Gulf on Tuesday.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/wo..._131858384.htm
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TEHRAN, Sept. 18 (Xinhua) -- Iran's Navy launched the overhauled super-heavy submarine and indigenous destroyer in the Persian Gulf on Tuesday.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/wo..._131858384.htm
Maybe Israel can attack us again and blame it on Iran. I know our Tea Nuts would believe it!



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Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor
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Maybe Israel can attack us again and blame it on Iran. I know our Tea Nuts would believe it!



http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm

Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor
FDR, et al, did a pretty good job "ignoring" the Japanese attack on the Panay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panay_incident
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