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Old 02-13-2012, 07:47 PM   #1
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Mitt Romney, whose reported net worth is somewhere north of $200 million, argues that he knows how to make all Americans wealthier. In what is perhaps the deepest irony of this presidential season, Newt Gingrich echoes William Jennings Bryan — who declared, “No one can earn a million dollars honestly.”
Paul Krugman has attacked Romney’s honesty in earlier columns. But on Friday, he dissected Romney’s argument that, because he is a successful businessman, he knows how the economy works:
But there’s a deeper problem in the whole notion that what this nation needs is a successful businessman as president: America is not, in fact, a corporation. Making good economic policy isn’t at all like maximizing corporate profits. And businessmen — even great businessmen — do not, in general, have any special insights into what it takes to achieve economic recovery.
The solution to America’s problems is not simply to increase corporate profits. That’s a notion that those who have gained from globalization love to repeat. They have done well by slashing costs. However,
Consider what happens when a business engages in ruthless cost-cutting. From the point of view of the firm’s owners (though not its workers), the more costs that are cut, the better. Any dollars taken off the cost side of the balance sheet are added to the bottom line.
But the story is very different when a government slashes spending in the face of a depressed economy. Look at Greece, Spain, and Ireland, all of which have adopted harsh austerity policies. In each case, unemployment soared, because cuts in government spending mainly hit domestic producers. And, in each case, the reduction in budget deficits was much less than expected, because tax receipts fell as output and employment collapsed.
During his tenure at Bain Capital, Romney and his partners purchased 77 companies. 22% of those businesses were shuttered. But Bain made money even when firms went belly up. Romney has said that, by the same logic, he would have let GM and Chrysler fail. Besides the jobs at both companies, the multiplier jobs — at auto parts plants, tire plants, steel companies — would have also gone down the tubes.
Romney succeeded because of a narrow focus on profits. Countries are about more than making profits. Krugman reminds his readers that the last two presidents who claimed to be businessmen — George W. Bush and Herbert Hoover — left shipwrecks behind them.


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1)“businessmen — even great businessmen — do not, in general, have any special insights into what it takes to achieve economic recovery.”
Amen to that line. And lets not forget in the business world there are different types of businessmen. Some actually build stuff, others find ways to make money of the ones who actually build stuff. Romney is one of the latter.
I find it funny that Gingrich, who really had no business running for Pres anyways, is so angry at losing his grip on it that he’s decided to take a flamethrower to the guy who ousted him. Letting Gingrich back into elected politics was bad for the GOP, for all the reasons they should have known with their history of him.


2)Just a couple of comments. One I may have already pointed out in previous comments, but here it goes anyway.
1. Article 2 of the constitution provides for 7 specific responsibilities of the President. Five of those are foreign policy or military related, one is requirement to give update to congress on the state of the union and the last one is authorizations to fill key government positions with the consent of the senate.
We have come to think of the president more like a king than what the founding fathers envisioned the President’s role. The congress is responsible for domestic policy, which includes economic policy. The president can make recommendations, but the leadership has to come from congress and over the past 15 years, they have done an awful job. I won’t go into specifics here, but anyone who follows congress will find many actions that created the problems we have today.
2. One has to question the comments about companies being broken up and jobs cut by Bain and then look at actions at GM when the government bailed out GM. Pontiac was eliminated cutting many jobs. Hummer was sold, again eliminating many jobs and Saab was sold, again eliminating jobs. Last, Saturn was eliminated, with more jobs lost.
In addition, hundreds of dealers were forced to close their doors by GM and Chrysler, even if those dealers were profitable and had been in business for years, been a good community partner and was a good member of the GM/Chrysler family.Here again, hundreds of jobs were lost in sales, maintenance and repair of those cars.
Although we all can agree that all of this had to happen to make the these companies profitable, with the exception of dealer closings that had no impact on the manufacturers, a good political marketing manager could develop political ads that state the Obama administration took over GM and immediately eliminated 37% (3 out of 8 ) of GM’s product lines, forced hundreds of dealer closings and cut XXX number of jobs through their corporate actions.
Once everyone begins to realize that our problems comes from congress and not the President will things start to change.
Don’t like healthcare law, well who passed it?
Don’t like the country not operating with a budget? Well who has not passed a budget?
Don’t like the country spending 1.3 trillion more than it takes in? Who passes appropriation bills?
Don’t like earmarks? Who includes them in bills that have nothing to do with spending?
Next time you hear something governemnt has done that you do not like, just ask, who authorized that action. 99% of the time the answer will be congress!


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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what's the opposite of progress?
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Dwight Meredith *says that being a good businessman doesn't qualify you to be president, and he doesn't understand why people think it would. And that's true; the skill set isn't all that transferrable. (You don't get to pack the board with people who owe you, and also, there are 545 of them, roughly half of whom will be looking to get you fired at any given time.)But I'm not sure that any job really prepares you to be president of the US.We get a lot of our presidents from the governorships. But being a governor means that you know absolutely nothing about foreign policy, because no one really cares what Arkansas's position on dollarization or the ABM treaty is. (Except for Massachussets, which occasionally likes to try to run its own trade policy, but its people are unelectable in the current political environment.)Being a senator or a congressman is also a popular route, although it hasn't worked for anyone since Nixon. But while a senator is probably well acquainted with the policy issues of the day, he probably also hasn't run anything larger than a committee in his entire life. Most of us would like to believe that we could step in and run IBM if we could just get the board to see it, but as anyone who's managed a significant number of people knows, being an executive is very, very different from being a peer leader, even when you're very powerful. Also, the nature of senatorial politics is such that a successful senator is likely to lack vision, propose only things that can get passed and worry a lot about procedure over substance. They also tend to focus on a couple of things that will get them on camera, rather than developing broad policy agendas. This is what killed Dole, and in the end, I think also McCain -- he only had two issues, and one of them was getting his colleagues in the Senate to sign a campaign finance bill they hadn't read. Also, a senator comes into office owing a great many people a great many favors, which is probably not a good thing.Being in the army works if your war was popular enough -- but while a general is likely to be good at being commander in chief, and possibly at foreign policy, generals aren't likely to be much good on the domestic front; their entire experience with the social and economic side of things is command and control, which doesn't work as well when you can't have people imprisoned for ignoring you. Also, thank God, we don't have enough large wars to produce many generals with any chance of getting elected.George H. W. Bush ran the CIA. Probably guys from agencies like this are wizards on whatever their specialty was: foreign policy, energy policy, social services. But being in an agency like that is almost certain to produce tunnel vision after years of fighting for your agency in the back halls of Washington. Also, while managing an agency gives you executive experience, it's not quite the same as running a state or a company; for one thing, you're accountable only under the most severe duress, and for another, you're usually not carrying out your own ideas, but those of Congress or the President.Businessmen don't know how to do politics, but they are almost certainly more knowlegeable about the economy and business issues than the politicians are, who have gotten all their economic news for the last 30 years filtered through sound bites and lobbyists position papers. They also know how to manage a large organization, if they're successful, which is no small asset in the Oval Office. I don't say that it's particularly likely that they'll succeed, but I don't see that it's foreordained that a businessman in the Oval Office would fail, either. Except, of course, that the ones who are willing to try seem to be somewhat crazy. What that tells us about the politicians who run, I don't care to think about.

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I dunno bout that ... Perot comes to mind. Without being shackled by Congress, the Perot Businessman" could have very well shined in a flat economy
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