Should Texas and All US Cities Legalize Prostitution?

[Kaci Snow]

About Navada i was using it as an example I do NOT agree with every part of there laws and how they have them but i do think the testing and the licensing is a good idea. Of course that would NOT work for everybody or the ladies here that have a "Real World Job"

[IronMan]

People misunderstand these two words prostitute and escort. When you hire a prostitute you are paying her for the offering sexual services but when you hire your escorts, you are not paying them for any sexual services.
You are paying for the time of your escort to give you company.
However, what transpires between you and your escort after the meeting or during the meeting is totally up to you as two consenting adults.
If this were to be an illegal service, you will not see escort agencies advertising their service in all the public media. To make sure you get the escort of your choice reviews BCD and verifications are a clue to what can or may occur.
What is strange is seeing prostitution ads posted in public areas?? WOW such as back page, craig's list, etc.
IRONMAN

[IronMan]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/11/27/11949581-sun.html
Between Oct. 29 and Nov. 25, police levied 37 fines against 20 women and 15 agencies for allegedly offering sex services without proper documents.

Fines totaled $134,000. One agency was nailed with a $20,000 bill.

But it's more than a money grab. Prince said licensing escorts and agencies is key to keeping the industry clean and gang-free.

Escorts face a yearly criminal record check when they hold a license.

Cops will decline or take their licenses if they've been involved in violent, drug-related or recent crimes.

That helps cuff the hands of organized crime to take control of the girls.

"Someone has to control it. Because if we don't do that, we will have nothing but trouble as organized crime moves into the area, and the ages of the girls drop. They're not 18; they're 14 or 12," said Prince.

"You take the control away, someone steps over the line, and nothing happens, they take one bigger step over the line."

To add teeth to their cause, fines are set high -- $2,500 for operating as an unlicensed call girl, and an extra $2,500 for operating an agency without papers.

A license for a single escort costs $125. Agencies are charged about $3,800.

"It gets expensive," said Prince.

He said he thinks this sweep will sink in with the escort community.

After their first night of the operation Oct. 29, "the word was out big time. When we went on Craigslist the next day, there were about a quarter of the ads on there as usual," said Prince.

[Kaci Snow]

Iron Man i agree with you to some point but if you really take a look the only thing that is changed is the word and if the word escort makes people feel better then that's there choice to use that but when it all boils down to it weather you pay for time or the act its all the same thing. Just as this site and aspd both say "escort" but in reality we all know what it really is. The big agency's weather they tell you on there site or not are still offering sex for pay. I mean i see were escort may sound like a "better" word but in the end its all the same. Hell i am not gonna say I'm gonna do this this and this to you and your gonna pay me this i will always say that you pay for my time but in reality i know that you are paying for the activities and not so much my time . Maybe i am just apart of the younger group and i see things for just what they are.
As far as prostitution being advertised openly um if im not mistaken you can go through any ad here or aspd and the reviews and i can pretty much guarantee that there is NOT one that says "I spent 3 hours with a lady and we had a great time with NO sex or sexually activities at all. We all gents as well as ladies that know what this is in reality sugar coating it to make it sound better or less illegal is not gonna make it a difference.

Sorry if i sounded rude but i have very strong feelings on this issue.

[IronMan]

I have to agree a little with you too however it is not the word that has changed it is the definition that sets them apart and what definition the law sees as the definition!
lets not get reviews mixed up with ads they are also two different things!

lets look at what you have discussed.
You mention that on most sites you see the description of a sex act in reviews!
Yes in reviews, you are correct, a review in the eyes of the law are fictitious hearsay, fantasies, that may or may not of happened!
1. Most review are extrapolated, myths, and or a story they wished happened!
Most men who cannot get it up say they did and those who got 1 bell tell about 2 bells! And you know what as long as the law looks at this subject this way the better off everyone is!
2. Then you have the reviews where the poster is helping the Companion get more business, because they like her, or it is less for them to help out if there is more business for them!
3. And then you have the reviews where the poster has to let all know how good he was in bed.
I admit I might be all three from time to time grin!
The bottom line is a review comes from a person who is anonymous, or a fictitious character on a public board.
An ad comes from a persona which may be fictitious but is tangible!
One that can be found! Posting an ad as a provider who sells sex in their ad, offers a sex act in their ad, offers sex tied to money for the act is prostitution!
Most of the sites I have managed as a moderator or was the owner, I have deleted or altered those ads to protect the members and the ladies who posted them.
Escort is not just a pretty word, it has a definition on the law books that makes it legal, it is a lady or man who is a companion to a person who is exchanging money for time spent. If you follow those guidelines you should be safer!
And yes once you have provided the companionship and if sex or intimacy occurs that is between two consenting adults not related to the appointment!
Arrest are not made for 1-2 hours spent! Arrest are made when a person, discusses, sex acts for the money they spent, or if a sex act is negotiated during the appointment, before the appointment, in an ad related to the appointment before money is asked for or received! Yes I know ladies usually do not spend 1-2 hours collect their money and then say hey I like you lets do it!
SO in one way you are saying the two words are the same?
and you perceive them that way because of the end results seem to be the same!
You could be correct we might be sugar coating the words however we need it not to be as far as the law is concerned to protect us!
Escorts are legal in most States, most States require you to have a license to do escort work. I even know a few ladies who file taxes as escort work if they did not it would be tax evasion!
I say the definition is what you should stay with to be certain you will not get busted!
Remember just because one site allows you to post a sex act for a fee and others will not does not mean you are not at RISK doing so.
If you do you are advertising that you are offering a sex act for a fee!
example: $50.00 extra for GREEK, rent my pussy for an hour $250, Blow and go $80.00. bbbj extra $50. acronyms with a price tagged to them are considered sex acts for pay because the acronyms are now posted as well known!
I recommend if you are serious about the BIZ consult an attorney who may be open minded or one in the BIZ!!
Good comments and subject KACI thank you
IronMan

[Kaci Snow]

I know alot about the business and laws and understand why the words have to be different in order to protect us and all of that stuff but at the same time 99% of the time yes the end result is the same weather you want to say pay for time or sex the end result is that you were paid and the client received sex in return weather you say its for my time or not that's what it is. The reason i said something about the reviews was because most are very detailed in the activities. Ads there are many out there not just on backpage and craigslist that flat out offer this for this amount. I wont lie i have 3 different rates all of which are because there are different things offered in all of them and i will NOT make a gent pay for something that is a basic session at the price of my all inclusive gfe session simply because he doesn't choose to have the services of the all inclusive gfe. He will pay for what session he wants and how much time for that session he would like to have. I feel like it makes me competitive with my rates I mean there is something for all the gents that would like to visit with me from 100 to 500. I provide a fantasy and have fantasy sessions i guess you could say.

LOL I hope that all made sense..

[npita]

Legalization would almost certainly involve some sort of regulation. That in turn implies obtaining permits/licenses using your REAL name. Those are PUBLIC records and once your name is in a government database, it will be there FOREVER. IMO, independents with no record of arrest would still operate illegally to avoid the social stigma of having been registered to provide adult sevices. What if the regulations required keeping records of clients using their REAL names? Also, IMO, the risk of arrest is low enough such that little to nothing would be gained by legalization and much of the freedom to operatte as an independent would be lost. I favor legalization, but not the kind of legalization that would ultimately be adopted by the government. Having to register with the government is no better than being arrested.

[Kaci Snow]

I am a licensed working girl in NV and I have had NO PROBLEMS with it at all. I have been stopped and put in jail for tickets and they still run your name and finger prints all over the U.S. so that will still come up untill Jan. which is when it will expire. As i said its a little different for me. I am not hiding what i do from anybody. My SO my family and friends all know what i do and all respect what i do so theres no need for me to hide or be worried if somebody finds out. I have no desire to work a "REAL" job ever so that helps a little bit. I do however plan to start a Teen homeless shelter when i retire which will be in the next 5 or 6 years. Will this effect my chances of getting everything together for these teens that need help? No I dont think it will if anything it will give me more experience to help these kids.

[topcat19542001]

What happens between two (or more) consenting adults, in private should be nobody's business. PERIOD. Decriminalize now...
TopCat

[npita]

Originally Posted by Kaci Snow

I am a licensed working girl in NV and I have had NO PROBLEMS with it at all. I have been stopped and put in jail for tickets and they still run your name and finger prints all over the U.S. so that will still come up untill Jan. which is when it will expire. As i said its a little different for me. I am not hiding what i do from anybody. My SO my family and friends all know what i do and all respect what i do so theres no need for me to hide or be worried if somebody finds out.

For you that works fine (unless you later decide you would like to lose the association with p4p for some unforseen reason). As I noted, government records are generally public and forever. I once posted a poll on aspd about this and mentioned the reality of legalization. The vast majority of providers were not in favor of legalization in any fashion that would require regulation to the extent of providing their real names for a publically accessible database. What if the law reverted to making prostitution illegal again? Then, you will have essentially given the government your name to use against you in the future. Don't forget the potential for regulation to the extent of requiring you to keep records of your clients' real names.

I think how it is ;egalized is much more important to providers than if it is legalized. For those who wish to operate discreetly, having to register is no better, but will probably more expensive, than being arrested.

I have no desire to work a "REAL" job ever so that helps a little bit. I do however plan to start a Teen homeless shelter when i retire which will be in the next 5 or 6 years. Will this effect my chances of getting everything together for these teens that need help? No I dont think it will if anything it will give me more experience to help these kids.

Perhaps - perhaps not. Setting up such a shelter requires money. Getting money requires investors who think like you do (and who aren't hypocrites in that they would not publicly support an organization run by someone they might have seen discreetly). I admire what you want to accomplish, but my point is that even the majority of those in p4p might find legalization to be a cure that is worse than the disease. The most important issue is how p4p would be legalized. In my opinion unless it was legalized such that everyone could carry on as usual, you would end up with a situation similar to Nevada. A few brothels and a lot of independents and agencies that operate illegally anyway. It could be much worse if one of the results of legalizing and regulation was to make the penalties more severe for those who do not wish to register and who continue to operate illegally.

After having spent some time on dating sites, my personal opinion is that in another 20-30 years prostitution will be indistinguishable from dating and the issue will become moot.

[Kaci Snow]

Let me make sure that you guys understand that i would not want it to so much change the way things are now but i would like to feel safe in the fact that if a client comments a crim against me that i have the protection that any other person would and we dont. I have been there and its not fun being told that unless i was going to out myself to the police that i would get NO HELP. I also think that ladies should be tested every month not just when they feel like it. Alot of you guys see more than one or two providers and most are doing gfe which means there is a higher risk then if you were doing everything covered. I want to know that the circle of people that i deal with care about there health like i do. I mean I go twice a month it cost me $80 bucks total for the month and i am safe for you and the other ladies that you see after me. I would rather take that 30min. out of my life to be safe. But thats just me.

I think that there are alot of ladies that wish to never have anybody they know in on what there side job is or whatever have you, But i am not one of thoses ladies so i can and do see things in a different way. I dont mean to be disrepectful to thoses ladies that do carry on like this thats there bussiness i just feel like i am fortuninate to not have to keep it a secret from the people i am close to in my life.

I know those kinds of things need money but I also believe that regardless of my past history that if people see that there is a need and it has todo with helping teens make a better life for themselves that it will work out and people will come together to make it work. I maybe a little nieve but I know i am not the only person in the world that would give the shirt off there back if it ment that it got a child back in school or helped them see a new light and made them want todo better.