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12-15-2011, 01:55 AM
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Join Date: Oct 26, 2011
Posts: 148
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Goodbye
I entered this hobby a couple months back and have come to realize that this is absolutely not for me. I am not judging anybody for what they do but I know that I have been guilt-ridden since entering this world. I felt ashamed of myself from the get go and thought that I would just become more indifferent as I went along. However, after 6 meetings with 5 girls over the last month I am choosing to give up on this and perhaps find a hobby that doesn't make me feel as though I have violated another human being. I feel that my actions objectify women and while they may be comfortable with it, I am not. I am not condeming any of you men and women on this site for your actions at all; I am just stating that for me I wasn't comfortable with it and will not continue on. An hour of fun was not worth the hours of shame that followed for me.
For all the women that I have seen since I started doing this I am sorry. If I made you feel substandard in any way please know that that was not my intention and I am indeed sorry for my actions.
Everyone stay safe and enjoy
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12-15-2011, 05:21 AM
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User ID: 67368
Join Date: Jan 27, 2011
Location: syracuse,new york
Posts: 403
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I recieved your email and I understand your reasons for leaving,certain things just arent meant for some people.To each its own but theres no need to feel bad or disgusted in yourself and if getting out of the hobby makes you feel better as a person then maybe thats your best bet.It was very nice to meet you and thanks for your kind words in the email and I am glad I was your atf for a short time
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12-15-2011, 05:45 AM
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Mar 27, 2011
Location: Rochester, ny
Posts: 204
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PM brings up an interesting POV and I think it would be great if we got some provider input on what he has to say. This has been a thought in the back of my head which is why I am more comfortable with an independent provider who has chosen their occupation as opposed to an AMP. I think the free choice options of the AMP staff are much more in question than a mature independent woman who has made a conscious choice to do what she does.
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12-15-2011, 06:17 AM
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Join Date: Jun 23, 2010
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 384
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You gotta do, what you gotta do.
Seriously, though. I used to have the same thoughts years ago when I started. I've been very fortunate to have met some very nice providers over the years and come to understand the hobby for what it is, for both parties.
Good luck to you, PM.
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12-15-2011, 06:51 AM
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Join Date: Jun 16, 2010
Location: Amherst
Posts: 579
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I've been doing this a long time and while I have certainly seen providers are that are just in it for a buck, I don't feel any of them have ever felt victimized by me. I may be fooling myself, but I think some women feel empowered by the thrill of it while for others, it's just a job.
Either way, here's a great big "Thank you" to all the wonderful ladies I've met over the years.
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12-15-2011, 06:59 AM
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User ID: 67368
Join Date: Jan 27, 2011
Location: syracuse,new york
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To be honest one thing I have come to realize is alot of people that were brought up in religious homes already have an opinion of the hobby because growing up they were told it was wrong and they would go to hell and arent comfortable with it period...I think its more like his conscious eating away at him rather than him feeling like hes taking advantage of the girls
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12-15-2011, 07:00 AM
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Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Rochester
Posts: 1,361
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PM- I understand your sentiment. Seven years ago I told a provider after a session that I was done. I had already achieved my personal goals in the hobby. She told me, "You won't be able to stop, no one does!" In my case, she was right.
If you treat these women with respect and courtesy, we are not "objectifying" them in a negative way. Yes, providers appear to be somewhat commodities with menus and price ranges. Most women though do make a conscious decision to partake in this hobby, and set their own price schedules and rules. As in most business transactions, the side that walks away with the cash is, in my opinion, not at all negatively objectified.
We each have our own moral compass and choose to make our own decisions. It seems your moral compass is rightly telling you to leave this world.
Best wishes to you.
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12-15-2011, 07:00 AM
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Ambassador
Join Date: Dec 22, 2009
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 4,719
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Best of luck to you sir.
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12-15-2011, 11:05 AM
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Sick up and fed....
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: South
Posts: 6,080
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jymie
Best of luck to you sir.
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Seconded! And thanks for not judging the rest of us. Good luck finding peace in whatever you do.
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12-15-2011, 11:09 AM
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THE REALLY BAD MOD!
Join Date: Feb 24, 2011
Location: Upstate NY - South of Syr
Posts: 12,788
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PM best wishes and I hope you find solace!
DD
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12-16-2011, 01:40 PM
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Valued Poster
Join Date: Jan 4, 2010
Location: Syracuse, NY
Posts: 548
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Funny, though, I actually *like* to feel I am objectifying or even exploiting the lady.
It's a cure for the emasculating experience of insecurity (in the sense of "shortage," as in "food insecurity") that surrounds sex in the real world. Sex is, for me anyway, critically important; but women control the world supply.
Hell, in the real world, a civilian girl might even change her mind mid-course, and I being a decent sane modern human male, I know I must then stop. To have others control something that's so important to me I have to angle for it, beg, manipulate and curry favor, this gives rise to a feeling of anxiety affecting life in general.
So the idea that a woman is duty-bound (or otherwise bound), obligated (even by the terms of an informal contract), or is compelled by circumstances, this all works for me despite not really being true. The great philosopher Butt-Head summed it up succinctly. "Wouldn't it be cool if chicks, like, *had to* do you?" Yes, Butt-Head, that would be cool.
I once saw a low-rent French picture called "Vampire Sluts from Outer Space" or something close to that. In it, female space invaders needed to extract male essence by performing oral sex. At first I thought Wow! Imagine a world where female biochemistry made fellatio a dietary necessity for them? A pleasing fantasy.
(The movie took an ugly turn later that kind of ruined the scenario. Turns out the vampire space sluts not only took sustenance from the men they assaulted, but also gained control over the men's actions. They targeted politicians and other powerful men in a bid to take over the world. Just like in real life.)
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