JFK Assassination - Nov. 22, 1963

[theaustinescorts]

The "Warren Commission" report pointed to two discrepancies which are now answered.....1.) Who were the three persons in Dealy Plaza with false Secret Service ID's, and why did they have them?, and 2.) Why did the CIA represent with false photos that Oswald had made a trip to Mexico city when he had not?

FALSE SECRET SERVICE IDENTIFICATIONS

The "Warren Commission" reported that a Dallas police officer ran up the "grassy knoll" because he heard and saw a shot from there when he encountered someone in a suit, pointed his service weapon at him, and then that person produced a SS ID [resulting in his release from detention]. Dallas police also stopped two other men leaving the front door of the Book Depository but these two men were also not detained because they showed SS IDs.

The Secret Service reported to the "Warren Commission" that they had no such persons on the ground in the Plaza, and that all Secret Service personnel were in the President's motorcade.

The unit in the CIA which produced the false Secret Service IDs and issued them to CIA agents is now known. It was the Special Unit operated by Sidney Gottleib which existed only for Executive Action.

FALSE OSWALD PHOTO GIVEN TO "WARREN COMMISSION" BY CIA

The "Warren Commission" was provided with a story that Oswald was photographed and recorded visiting the Soviet embassy in Mexico City shortly before the assassination. CIA provided a grainy surveillance photo of an overweight man in his fourties and claimed it was Oswald. CIA also claimed their wiretap recordings of Oswald's phone conversations to the Soviet embassy had been destroyed.

When the Commission was formed, it's steering member, former Director of CIA Allen Dulles, informed the Commission members [including Warren, who was rarely there] that CIA must maintain influence over the investigation because "Oswald visited KGB assassination director Korchikov at the Soviet embassy in Mexico and if this gets out the American public will demand a war with the USSR and Cuba."

However J. Edgar Hoover is now known, through now released documents, to have known the Oswald photo and recording were both false, and therefore Oswald's trip to Mexico and visit with the KGB was a fabrication.

Additionally, in the 1970s Select Committee on Assassinations a true copy of the tape recording of Oswald was produced...it wasn't the voice of Oswald.

Regretably it's now established that a unit within CIA contrived the story and "evidence" of the Oswald trip to Mexico City BEFORE the assassination.

The same unit provided false Secret Service Identification to persons in Dealy Plaza at the points from which shots were fired.

[cckid2006]

Don't see a point here? It was well established in a BBC documentary who the assassins were. Since then, documentary after documentary has shown "scientific evidence" how oswald acted alone. Latest being on NGC. What's the point of this post?

[kingorpawn]

Now Mr. TAE, you bring up a subject that I've been studying for years.

I've been shooting weapons for like 30 yrs. No way Oswald made those shots.

Luckiest shooter in the history of the world if he made those shots.

The Israelis recreated the assassination years ago and their best shooters
couldn't duplicate Oswald's shots.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

Now Mr. TAE, you bring up a subject that I've been studying for years.

I've been shooting weapons for like 30 yrs. No way Oswald made those shots.

Luckiest shooter in the history of the world if he made those shots.

The Israelis recreated the assassination years ago and their best shooters
couldn't duplicate Oswald's shots.

Agreed. It is possible to cycle the Carcano in the time allotted, but not to aim it much less accomplish those difficult shots. For me the biggest problem is aiming at a target MOVING UPWARDS.

When President Truman found out what happened he immediately penned an article for the New York Times calling for the elimination of the CIA, and instructed that it be printed on December 22, 1963 to signal to CIA that he knew they were behind the assassination.

The Executive Action unit Gottlieb operated was a transition from the CI/Action unit formed by James Angleton in Italy, and included various figures working with Corsicans, etc. Therefore it is possible that the Christian David story from France concerning Lucian Sarte might have merit. David Strier [Chief of CI/Italy who died in Austin in 2004] worked in Angleton's unit until 1957, after which he was moved to Cuba.

It's also interesting that Howard Hunt made a deathbed confession to involvement in the plan since in the 1970s he sued Liberty Lobby in a libel action that went to trial because they printed he was in Dallas on November 22. Apparently his position is that he wasn't in Dallas that day but that he was involved without being in Dallas.

Hunt claims Cord Meyer brought him in. Meyer's wife, Mary Meyer, was sleeping with Kennedy until his death, and she spent more time with him in the White House than any other person not on his staff. She was shot to death a year later while on a morning walk near Georgetown in an unsolved case.

There's an interesting picture taken in 1963 of Kennedy with Mary Meyer and her mother and sister Toni at their estate in Pennsylvania.* Within a year or so both Kennedy and Mary would be dead by gunfire.

www.amazon.com/Last-Word-Indictment-CIA-Murder/dp/1616084286


*Antoinette [Tony] was married to Washington Post's Ben Bradley

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

Now Mr. TAE, you bring up a subject that I've been studying for years.

I've been shooting weapons for like 30 yrs. No way Oswald made those shots.

Luckiest shooter in the history of the world if he made those shots.

The Israelis recreated the assassination years ago and their best shooters
couldn't duplicate Oswald's shots.

I don't understand your reasoning here. Oswald's record indicates that he hit as many as 49 of 50 shots at 200 yards while in the army, yet all the shots at Kennedy's motorcade were within a distance of 190 to 260 feet. Seems plausible to me that he could easily connect on 2 of 3, especially considering the slow speed of the motorcade and the highly favorable angle.

[carpenter]

Very interesting, as I grew up in Dallas, and have always been very skeptical of the "Offical" story. Anyone who has seen the Zaberuta (sorry I know the spelling is wrong) will notice that the motorcade slows down to a crawl, then the first shot from behind Kennedy hits him in the back of the neck, exiting below the Adams Apple in front, you can see Kennedy bringing his hands up to his throat. Then the kill shot (you can see his head snap back) hits from the front and side at hairline above the right eye exiting the back of the head left side about ear high taken a large piece of skull, which can be seen sliding across the deck lid and Jackie starts trying to retreive, when she is stopped by a SS man who has run up to the back of the car on foot and jumps on with the car then starting to pick up speed. Now I know these wound facts because my aunt was good friends with the Parkland ER doctor who he, and one nurse were the only non SS, FBI to examine Kennedy. Strangely, the doctor died of a heart attack two weeks later (early 40's) and the nurse was killed in a car accident about the same time. My Dad had a friend who was at the base of the grassy knoll in front of the car when the shots happened and said he heard two shots come over his head and possible 4 or 5 total( he was a combat vet of both WWII and Korea), he turned and saw a man and rifle and smoke at the top of the knoll. He related his story to the FBI. Funny thing, he died in a one car crash offical cause "highway hypnosis". This happened about 15 minutes after stopping at a cafe where he was a regular, in Ferris, for coffee and a pastry. Also kids, do not forget, that LBJ put away a bunch of evidence in the National Archives not to be opened for 75 years in the name of National Security. Well, you all have a nice Turkey Day.

[Billy_Saul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=623JsZCgjm8

[cckid2006]

Didn't hear an answer to my question "point of this post"? Does anyone believe oswald did it?

[Guest040616]

I have always believed that Oswald acted alone.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

I don't understand your reasoning here. Oswald's record indicates that he hit as many as 49 of 50 shots at 200 yards while in the army, yet all the shots at Kennedy's motorcade were within a distance of 190 to 260 feet. Seems plausible to me that he could easily connect on 2 of 3, especially considering the slow speed of the motorcade and the highly favorable angle.

I think shooting a real person and targets are two different things plus
he wasn't shooting at just any person.
They already discovered photos of a shooter in the grassy knoll. There was definitely a guy in the book depository, but whether it was Oswald or not is debatable.

You also have the deaf-mute guy that was on the bridge behind the grassy knoll who saw a guy fire a rifle from the grassy knoll and then immediately after shooting, he threw the rifle to another guy who then took the weapon apart, put it in a tool case and walk away. The deaf-mute guy flagged down a cop, but because he couldn't speak the cop had no idea what he was saying.

I think there's plenty of evidence and witnesses now that proves it was more than one shooter.

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by cckid2006

Didn't hear an answer to my question "point of this post"? Does anyone believe oswald did it?

Yeah he did it, but if he acted alone no one will ever know for sure. I do think he was the only shooter. There was a very good documentary on the History Channel last night that used modern computerized analysis of trajectories, 3D graphics and modeling, and a lot of good interviews from people involved in the events of 1963 which support the theory of Oswald as the lone actor. Most experts say that the bullet to the head was from the rear. Few say from the front. There is however an overwhelming amount of strange circumstantial happenings surrounding the event that perpetuate various conspiracy theories. I guess it will be debated for ever more.

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

They already discovered photos of a shooter in the grassy knoll.

OK, can I see these photos? Please point me to them.

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

You also have the deaf-mute guy that was on the bridge behind the grassy knoll who saw a guy fire a rifle from the grassy knoll and then immediately after shooting, he threw the rifle to another guy who then took the weapon apart, put it in a tool case and walk away. The deaf-mute guy flagged down a cop, but because he couldn't speak the cop had no idea what he was saying.

Are we to believe that among the thousands of people lining the streets and occupying the grassy knoll that day only one saw this shooter. He would have been amongst many onlookers but would only be noticed by a distant guy on a bridge even while his gun was dismantled and put into a case. Was there a second shooter on the Grassy Knoll? The short and correct answer is no. Kennedy's head wound could not have been made from the Grassy Knoll -- it would have to hit him in the right temple and he was hit in the back of the head.

Too many Oliver Stone movies perhaps.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

OK, can I see these photos? Please point me to them.

Are we to believe that among the thousands of people lining the streets and occupying the grassy knoll that day only one saw this shooter. He would have been amongst many onlookers but would only be noticed by a distant guy on a bridge even while his gun was dismantled and put into a case. Was there a second shooter on the Grassy Knoll? The short and correct answer is no. Kennedy's head wound could not have been made from the Grassy Knoll -- it would have to hit him in the right temple and he was hit in the back of the head.

Too many Oliver Stone movies perhaps.

The Stone flicks were fake. I stood in the grassy knoll fence around 20 yrs ago and the distance between the fence and the street was very short. Easy shot. The grassy knoll covered the shooter. The deaf-mute guy was behind the grassy knoll in full-view. Actually, there very likely could have been 2 shooters in the grassy knoll.

The photos and videos are online. Today's technologies makes easier to make out images in the grassy knoll.

[Billy_Saul]

Originally Posted by kingorpawn

The Stone flicks were fake. I stood in the grassy knoll fence around 20 yrs ago and the distance between the fence and the street was very short. Easy shot. The grassy knoll covered the shooter. The deaf-mute guy was behind the grassy knoll in full-view. Actually, there very likely could have been 2 shooters in the grassy knoll.

The photos and videos are online. Today's technologies makes easier to make out images in the grassy knoll.

Please post a link to the photo or video specifically. Doubt you can. I have no intention of searching the internet for a non-existent photo.

No shot impacted Kennedy from the grassy Knoll. Just because its an easy shot does not mean that it happened.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Billy_Saul

Please post a link to the photo or video specifically. Doubt you can. I have no intention of searching the internet for a non-existent photo.

No shot impacted Kennedy from the grassy Knoll. Just because its an easy shot does not mean that it happened.

My uncle was in the 82nd Airborne in Vietnam, he did 2 tours
and he lived in Dallas. He was a sniper. He told me why Oswald
was not the assassin.

You have to do your own research.