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Mr. Smith111 · 10-12-2011, 03:08 PM

I would say give up what you need to in order to get a "franchise" qb. It will take him a few years to devolop into what you want, and that gives you time to build around him. This reminds me of when Danny White was the qb. They had a lot of talent , but he just couldn't take them all the way. Nothing good happened again for them until Aikmans third year.
I wish I still thought Romo could do it. When Parcells first put him in the lineup I thought he had as much talent at qb as I had ever seen, right up until the botched extra point , and he has managed to keep choking at the wrong time ever since.

NiceGuy53 · 10-12-2011, 06:12 PM

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I would say give up what you need to in order to get a "franchise" qb. It will take him a few years to devolop into what you want, and that gives you time to build around him. This reminds me of when Danny White was the qb. They had a lot of talent , but he just couldn't take them all the way. Nothing good happened again for them until Aikmans third year.
I wish I still thought Romo could do it. When Parcells first put him in the lineup I thought he had as much talent at qb as I had ever seen, right up until the botched extra point , and he has managed to keep choking at the wrong time ever since.

I am almost inclined to agree with you on this. But there are 2 players on the Cowboys roster though that I would not want to give up. That would be Witten and Ware. It would probably take 1 of those players plus another starter and our 1st round draft pick along with Romo to be serious contenders to move up to the 1st pick of next's year draft. And the price could get even steeper, if a lot of other teams want Andrew Luck too. And they will. A QB like him does not come along every year.

Thankfully, the Cowboys do not have to make this decision until after this season is over. If Romo gets his shit together and leds the Cowboys deep into the playoffs, say the NFC Championship Game, do you still make this deal. I would say No. You continue to build on what you have. If the Cowboys do make it this far, they could be 2 or 3 players away from another Super Bowl. So IMO, this would be Romo's make or break year. The Cowboys will have to make a decision on Romo after this year. If Romo is still inconsistent and does not lead them deep into the playoffs, then I would say do what you have to do to get Andrew Luck.

Col. Zodiak · 10-12-2011, 07:05 PM

Unfortunately, the Cowboys are a team in transition and need desperately to start rebuilding now. Even if Romo was to take them to the playoffs this year, he just doesn't have what it takes to take them to the Super Bowl.

To get Luck will take some doing, but if they want to look to the future, they have to make the sacrifices now.

Who to trade is easy on some counts. Romo is a definite. Whitten has 9 years in the league and his value is at it greatest right now as he most likely only has another 2-3 years at the most.

Beyond that, Bryant has shown some potential and may be a value to consider in a trade.

And consider Sensabaugh and Spears on the block as well, especially if they can pick up a dominating RB as well.

Jerry Jones needs to quit worrying about today and look towards the future. Tex Shramm was always looking 2-5 years down the road and kept getting the people that could fill the spots at the appropriate time with no worries about what they could do today. Tom Landry always took what was there and made each player come up to, and beyond, their potential.

While Garrett may be able to get the players he has to play their best, there is still room for improvement. And as soon as they all recognize that short term plans will not get them to the Super Bowl, they might be able to realize that as long as they do so, the Cowboys will only be wantabes.

Just a bit of scotch fueled observation on my part.

The Colonel

NiceGuy53 · 10-12-2011, 08:10 PM

Colonel, my first instinct would be to disagree with you. If Romo does lead the Cowboys deep into the playoffs (and I know that is a big IF), would you really want to give up on Romo and trade away some key players in order to be able to draft Andrew Luck? With the Cowboys being on the verge of another Super Bowl, if they could add a few key players to the roster, would you really want to pass this opportunity up, in order to start building for the future? Obviously, I am not there yet. I think a more gradual approach to building for the future would be better. But if Romo does lead the Cowboys deep into the playoffs, his trade value would be very high, certainly a lot higher than it would be now.. So it could be just the right time to make a move. Interesting dilemna. What do the rest of you Cowboys fans think?

rjdiner · 10-12-2011, 09:54 PM

Andrew Luck ? How much have you guys been drinking (or smoking)?

NiceGuy53 · 10-12-2011, 10:28 PM

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Andrew Luck ? How much have you guys been drinking (or smoking)?

LOL. RJ, I assure you I am as sober as a church mouse. But I can't vouch for the Colonel or Mr. Smith. LOL. Now that being said, I don't understand where you are coming from here. Please explain what you mean. Are you saying the Cowboys have no chance in getting Luck because they would have to sell the farm to get him or are you saying Luck is not a legitimate top rated QB prospect. If you are saying the latter, then I would turn your question back around to you!

capitan1962 · 10-12-2011, 10:46 PM

I have heard "Playoffs", and "Deep into playoffs" used with the word "Romo" in this thread. I think the scenario here should be whether or not they are .500 for the season. Come on they squeaked by the Niners and did beat a Redskins team led by Rex Grossman. I don't think it's time to start ordering the Dom Perignon. Get real guys, the Cowboys are not likely to even have a winning season. Sorry to be discouraging to the real fans but sometimes reality is a bitch.

NiceGuy53 · 10-12-2011, 11:14 PM

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I have heard "Playoffs", and "Deep into playoffs" used with the word "Romo" in this thread. I think the scenario here should be whether or not they are .500 for the season. Come on they squeaked by the Niners and did beat a Redskins team led by Rex Grossman. I don't think it's time to start ordering the Dom Perignon. Get real guys, the Cowboys are not likely to even have a winning season. Sorry to be discouraging to the real fans but sometimes reality is a bitch.

Capitan, with all due respect, you are taking what I said out of context here. Please read my posts again. They were in reference to whether or not the Cowboys should try to trade up to be able to draft Andrew Luck.

capitan1962 · 10-12-2011, 11:18 PM

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Capitan, with all due respect, you are taking what I said out of context here. Please read my posts again. They were in reference to whether or not the Cowboys should try to trade up to be able to draft Andrew Luck.

OK it's been a long day I got up this morning at 4:00 am in Santiago Dominican Republic, flew to Miami, Flew to Houston then drove to Corpus. This is going to be an even longer journey for the Cowboys.

rjdiner · 10-13-2011, 08:58 AM

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LOL. RJ, I assure you I am as sober as a church mouse. But I can't vouch for the Colonel or Mr. Smith. LOL. Now that being said, I don't understand where you are coming from here. Please explain what you mean. Are you saying the Cowboys have no chance in getting Luck because they would have to sell the farm to get him or are you saying Luck is not a legitimate top rated QB prospect. If you are saying the latter, then I would turn your question back around to you!

NO! On the contrary, Luck is a generational quarterback, but the cowboys don't have enough to offer anyone to be in the #1 draft position.
They would have to sell the farm, the house, the car and everything else and they still may not get there.
What they need is a strong coach who can reel in Romo's gunslinger mentality.

Bull149 · 10-13-2011, 10:35 AM

Simply put they need a strong coach is allowed to coach the players he has. To support this they need a GM who is always looking to the future. As I see it ever since Jimmy Johnson left the roles have been reversed. Hence, the Cowboys' decline resulting impetus for many of the posts on this thread.

NiceGuy53 · 10-13-2011, 12:16 PM

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NO! On the contrary, Luck is a generational quarterback, but the cowboys don't have enough to offer anyone to be in the #1 draft position.
They would have to sell the farm, the house, the car and everything else and they still may not get there.
What they need is a strong coach who can reel in Romo's gunslinger mentality.

I agree with what you are saying. I would love to have Luck as the Cowboys QB either next year or a few years from now depending on what Romo does the rest of this season. But the cost of moving up to get him would be outrageous. It would take a ton of draft picks, including 2 or 3 1st round picks plus several of the Cowboys star players. But just maybe, old Jerry could find a way to pull it off if he really wanted a new quarterback. But more realistically, the Cowboys will probably have to settle for 1 of the other QBs in this draft.

And I think Garrett shares in the blame for the 2 games that they lost in the second half after having a comfortable lead. They have to run the ball in these situations. A coach has to put his players into a position to succeed. I'm not sure Garrett or any other coach could totally reign in the gunslinger mentality of Romo though. Garrett just needs to call running plays and higher percentage passes when the Cowboys have a big lead in the game. I like the direction that Garrett seems to be moving the team in. He has a more disciplined team with fewer penalities and he holds his players accountable for the most part. He also wants the higher character type players on his team. Maybe, Garrett has too much on his plate. He should hire an offensive cordinator which would allow him to sit back and better manage the game.

NiceGuy53 · 10-13-2011, 01:04 PM

Just 1 further thought on this subject and then I promise to shut up for a while. LOL. Whatever team winds up with the 1st draft pick next year, is going to be in one hell of a good position for next year's draft. Yes, their team and fans will have to endure a miserable season this year, but just think of the payoff that will result. They can either draft a franchise QB who is the best QB prospect to come along since Payton Manning (Hell he might even be better than Peyton Manning) or they can sit back and reap a Kings ransom for their draft pick.

rjdiner · 10-13-2011, 03:53 PM

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Just 1 further thought on this subject and then I promise to shut up for a while.

Hmmm..how long? LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVGCCJIDLQs

capitan1962 · 10-14-2011, 12:59 AM

I propose we turn this thread into a Cowboys .500 or less debate?