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Old 09-21-2011, 12:45 PM   #31
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I'm not a fan of most of the arguments. They are simply wrong.

There is only a single argument which is correct. The document...the United States Constitution lays out the manner and procedure of government of this political union of sovereign States. It addresses the structure and powers of the FEDERAL government. It is the FINAL word. Anybody who believes otherwise is completely wrong. No court no law can overrule the document.

The Executive Branch is not allowed to make laws...they call them "rules". But "treated as law". Nor are they allowed to impose judicial punishments but they do by imposing fines every day, with no judicial review of that action.

The Federal government performs thousands of tasks through taxes raised. But the Constitution only provides for 18 specific tasks...all other tasks and powers are reserved to the States individually or to the people. They levy taxes and spend on thousands of processes. The FEDERAL in federalism, is that the "central government" is limited. A reminder...the States created the Federal government, and should be allowed to opt-out when it does not agree and want to overrule an action. No provision in the constitution was made for the punishment of a State who refuses to go along with the will of the majority. It's because the Founders did not envision that it would be necessary, because the Union was a loose grouping by their design.

The fact that some people are "helped" by Federal wealth redistribution is not relevant. The States are to provide those needs. If Texas wants to create an Obamacare-like program...then it's free to do so....but will have to tax their own citizens to provide for it. Same with Social Security....each STATE would be expected to provide it. The role of the Federal government was to be limited to being the referee, not the 800 pound gorilla.

Separation of Church and State.....it's proclaimed to be a Constitutional Mandate....but I just seem not to be able to find the words....have it right here.

Constitutional lawyers often are not taught the Constitution. They are taught "case law"...as if a Congressionally passed law can overrule the constitutional requirement? Ask ANY constitutional lawyer...any question on what it REALLY says...they can't answer! And this business of the Supreme Court as the final determiner on what the Constitution means....is also.....not a power of the Constitution awarded to that branch of government.

So my position....is the document....as it is written! Literally. My candidates are measured against that standard. (Ron Paul.....he's the closest.) It's not a left-vs-right argument. It's about faithfulness to the model and structure of the government --- the law of the land, and overruling ALL OTHER sources of law and rulings. That is the fight.

It doesn't mean Social Security ends....it just means it gets broken up and administered by the States...individually. Medicare doesn't go away over night...but again...the State fund it. It doesn't mean everybody gets to carry guns on the streets either, unless that State wants that to happen.

Better government is government that happens locally and is more responsive to the people.

When was the last time you were able to convince (personally) a Member of Congress to change their vote...just on a general issue? It's the current party system which has locked the politics into red vs blue, Elephant vs Ass.

And just going for the middle...means that each side compromises....and that means even more money gets spent on these bi-partisan grand bargains! They all go home with their "cut" for their districts.

It's time to end it. Go back to the original blueprint and stick to it. And elect men and women who also believe in this.
As a founding principle and guide yes, but in real world application as an absolute, no.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:47 PM   #32
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Uh, huh. So...hmm. What have I learned from this?

That I have discovered just ONE MORE REASON why I HATE Mark Cuban!

It's not enough to just own the Evil Dallas Mavericks. It's not enough to threaten to buy the LA Dodgers and be an even WORSE owner than Frank McCourt (Note: I'd rather see McCourt keep the team than Mark Cuban owning it! And that says a lot.)

But, now....he's lined himself up with all sorts of socialists and marxists and backing redistributionist policies.

What, does he need the GOVERNMENT to force him to give up his wealth to "help others".....if he believes that way, he's FREE to send any additional amount he desires to help others to the US Treasury. Better yet, sell the Mavericks and send the proceeds in.

These marxist rich aren't about to give up their wealth and become poor. They would gladly give up half of what they have to keep the other half SAFE and to perhaps prevent competition in the process, and using the power of government to make their position permanent.

I haven't yet heard a convincing argument on just HOW government confiscating wealth creates MORE wealth overall?

If I were rich...really filthy rich, I'd ENJOY it. The best way to spread around the wealth is to SPEND it on yourself....that's the BEST way to create jobs. Not give it to government who "centrally plans" the economy and picks who wins and who loses.

It's just so wrong!
Ok, I'll agree on the evil DALLAS MAVERICKS part but the rest is BUNK!!
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:52 PM   #33
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Actually, the Articles of Confederation were the first try at a U.S. constitution, but the states found they needed centralized government to function. Sort of like the EU is now, which is somewhat disfunctional. The current Constitution was written and ratified BY the states to STOP the kind of dissention and disparity that existed when there was no central Federal government to consolidate power and operations. I wasn't there, but they tell me it was a mess.
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