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Old 09-03-2011, 06:02 PM   #1
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Default How the Deficit Got This Big

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/op...sun4.html?_r=1



Sources: Congressional Budget Office; Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

How the Deficit Got This Big

By TERESA TRITCH

With President Obama and Republican leaders calling for cutting the budget by trillions over the next 10 years, it is worth asking how we got here — from healthy surpluses at the end of the Clinton era, and the promise of future surpluses, to nine straight years of deficits, including the $1.3 trillion shortfall in 2010. The answer is largely the Bush-era tax cuts, war spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and recessions.


Despite what antigovernment conservatives say, non-
defense discretionary spending on areas like foreign aid, education and food safety was not a driving factor in creating the deficits. In fact, such spending, accounting for only 15 percent of the budget, has been basically flat as a share of the economy for decades. Cutting it simply will not fill the deficit hole.



The first graph shows the difference between budget projections and budget reality. In 2001, President George W. Bush inherited a surplus, with projections by the Congressional Budget Office for ever-increasing surpluses, assuming continuation of the good economy and President Bill Clinton’s policies. But every year starting in 2002, the budget fell into deficit. In January 2009, just before President Obama took office, the budget office projected a $1.2 trillion deficit for 2009 and deficits in subsequent years, based on continuing Mr. Bush’s policies and the effects of recession. Mr. Obama’s policies in 2009 and 2010, including the stimulus package, added to the deficits in those years but are largely temporary.



The second graph shows that under Mr. Bush, tax cuts and war spending were the biggest policy drivers of the swing from projected surpluses to deficits from 2002 to 2009. Budget estimates that didn’t foresee the recessions in 2001 and in 2008 and 2009 also contributed to deficits. Mr. Obama’s policies, taken out to 2017, add to deficits, but not by nearly as much.



A few lessons can be drawn from the numbers. First, the Bush tax cuts have had a huge damaging effect. If all of them expired as scheduled at the end of 2012, future deficits would be cut by about half, to sustainable levels. Second, a healthy budget requires a healthy economy; recessions wreak havoc by reducing tax revenue. Government has to spur demand and create jobs in a deep downturn, even though doing so worsens the deficit in the short run. Third, spending cuts alone will not close the gap. The chronic revenue shortfalls from serial tax cuts are simply too deep to fill with spending cuts alone. Taxes have to go up.



In future decades, when rising health costs with an aging population hit the budget in full force, deficits are projected to be far deeper than they are now. Effective health care reform, and a willingness to pay more taxes, will be the biggest factors in controlling those deficits."

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Makes sense to me.
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Old 09-03-2011, 09:29 PM   #3
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NY Times and Congressional Budget Office. Like I said, you can find anything to support anything on the internet.
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Old 09-06-2011, 03:34 AM   #4
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You can even find the guy that created Saint Reagan's supply side, trickle down, "deficits don't matter" Reaganomics. He says that Reaganomics FAILED. He agrees with that NYT article.

He even puts the solution in terms that even a Teabagger can understand: R.E.D.
R= Revenue
E= Entitlements
D= Defense

Increase revenue. Cut the other two. Simple as that.

Instead, what will happen is that Baby Boomers will slam the door behind them. They will selfishly keep their money and benefits. Younger generations will suffer increased taxes, cut benefits, and delayed retirement.

One last point...there is no such thing as a tax cut. It is only a deferment. Baby Boomers are postponing the inevitable so they don't have to suffer the consequences. Typical.
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The reason we have a deficit? Congress spends too much.
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Old 09-07-2011, 05:11 AM   #6
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You can even find the guy that created Saint Reagan's supply side, trickle down, "deficits don't matter" Reaganomics. He says that Reaganomics FAILED.
Do you have a link to that article Longer?

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Congress spends too much...

How simple.

Did you even read the article COG? It makes a lot of sense.

Tax cuts reduce the amount of incoming cash. Two wars consume a LOT more cash. Then a major recession further reduces the amount of incoming cash.

Sure, congress spends too much but you also have to understand the reduced income is what is making the deficit so large.
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Have you seen the National Debt? Congress spends WAY too much! No amount of "revenue enhancements" will correct the problem. Explain all you want. Blame all you want. The fact remains we currently owe $14 trillion, with no end in sight. The fact also remains that it will never be paid off unless Congress QUITS SPENDING SO DAMN MUCH!

When you cut taxes and broaden the tax base, revenue generally increases. However, our system is hopelessly broken. But it doesn't matter what I think, our economy is heading for a huge fall, and Congress is trying to repair the dikes with duct tape, while Hurricane Katrina is barreling down.

So go ahead and tax all you want. It won't help. And for god's sake, let's get out of these ridiculous wars! We've lost way too many heroes trying to strengthen our grip on foreign oil. And then, let's try to get back to JFK's admonition "Ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
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