Conservatives Win Canada - Overwhelmingly

[discreetgent]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

A more relevant question is how long you think it wil be before the US has a similar separtist issue with the Hispanic demographic urging succeession from the USA?

Quebec is such a different situation. Settled by the French, eventually taken over by the English. Well defined border. Has its own government. So may things about it are different.

[EJunkie]

The Quebecois, particularly the separatists, see themselves as a unique cultural/ethnic group. It’s not language and ancestry. So while they speak French it is a dialect far from Parisian French. I’ve had friends from France or Parisian French countries literally ask me “what language are they speaking?” Their ancestral roots are from France, but they see themselves as Quebecois; they refer to themselves as “pure laine” literally pure wool.


So not only is it a defined geography but it is a unique ethnic group.


Oh, on the geography point, every time separation got anywhere near serious the First Nations peoples would make it clear that simultaneously with Quebec separating from Canada, they would separate from Quebec.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by discreetgent

Quebec is such a different situation. Settled by the French, eventually taken over by the English. Well defined border. Has its own government. So may things about it are different.

I agree. you can`t compare these topics at all

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Some of my friends are either quebecoise or french expats living in Montreal and would not necessarily agree with you. I don`t think they wanted to keep "your" dollars. But the non-intanglement with rest of canada would have been problematic, there i agree with you.

It really isn't a matter of opinion. It's what the province was asking our government for when they nearly won the separatist referendum.

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by EJunkie

The Quebecois, particularly the separatists, see themselves as a unique cultural/ethnic group. It’s not language and ancestry. So while they speak French it is a dialect far from Parisian French. I’ve had friends from France or Parisian French countries literally ask me “what language are they speaking?” Their ancestral roots are from France, but they see themselves as Quebecois; they refer to themselves as “pure laine” literally pure wool.

Indeed the French make fun of the Quebecois all the time - it's much more nasal and they feel the Q sound like Ducks. They have a hard time understanding each other. There was a time when they hired Quebec to translate English movies for France, problem was the French still couldn't understand it. It's a Normandy French, similar to a dialect spoken 500 years ago.

They are indeed a unique ethnic group and I'm thrilled to have them within driving range. I love em

[WTF]

I dated a girl from Montreal, we went to Paris all the time we never once had trouble understanding the French or they her. I guess being beautiful makes those Frenchies pay attention more.

Those are some good memories in any language!

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

It really isn't a matter of opinion. It's what the province was asking our government for when they nearly won the separatist referendum.

Well, since i believe in globalization i believe "independent" territorries are a myth anyway and the government was acting to suppress the claims for independence. It was an evil act not an act that was necessary nor realistic.
Can you tell me ANY country whose economy is independent? So for me the question was not if they are cut off from "your" (hey they are canadians too) dollars, but if this would hold any realistic content. It does not and did not. Oh and i think you can move out of home and take daddy`s credit cards. Many do that. Otherwise how would inheritage work? Just because we don`t have rich parents does not mean its not common strategy to use the benefits of the funding fathers :-). That is how economy works.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

Indeed the French make fun of the Quebecois all the time - it's much more nasal and they feel the Q sound like Ducks. They have a hard time understanding each other. There was a time when they hired Quebec to translate English movies for France, problem was the French still couldn't understand it. It's a Normandy French, similar to a dialect spoken 500 years ago.

They are indeed a unique ethnic group and I'm thrilled to have them within driving range. I love em

Always these generalizations!!! I beg to differ a little!! "The french" are also people with different viewpoints and i know some who even live in Montreal, and none of them jokes about different types of language. I don`t understand what is the problem with different connotations of french? I love Montreal and i have been there many times and i know that the french they speak is a very "english" one. That is not the point. Also "french colonies" don`t speak "parisian french", and i doubt the parisian french make fun of them all the time.
In fact, also within france are so many different types of connotations of french, that i assume no one except Parisians speak "parisian french"

A language has many different connotations and influences. Germans also speak a different german than do austrians or even swiss germans., I don`t see all of them constantly rolling on the floor laughing about each other.

Or portuguese: The brazilians speak a different portuguese than to the Portuguese. Some of them don`t even understand the different dialects.

Similar with spanish.

So - to use language as a means to ridicule "french" heritage or french connections is - well - not really intellectual :-) Just my 5 cents.

From all Canada, Montreal would be my first choice to live. Vancouver my second. My husband currently has a job offer over there, so it might well be i will be there plenty :-)

[EJunkie]

Originally Posted by WTF

I dated a girl from Montreal, we went to Paris all the time we never once had trouble understanding the French or they her. I guess being beautiful makes those Frenchies pay attention more.

Those are some good memories in any language!

Many from Quebec can speak Parisian French. But the Quebecois dialect is, as LS mention, rooted in an old dialect. It is also considered a "lower class" dialect.

I was once on a project team that had colleagues from Quebec, and they spoke Quebec French. We as a team had dealings with a couple of suppliers in France. On more than one occasion The French would ignore the folks from Quebec and put up with our (anglophones) bad Parisian French. Parisian French speakers derisively call Quebecois geese because of their pronunciation. Most noticeable in how oui is pronounced in each.

In history Quebec wasn't exactly France's Australia, but pretty close. The majority of the people were of the peasant class. Some good history around how France added to the female population is Quebec by rounding up prostitutes and shipping them over.

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by WTF

I dated a girl from Montreal, we went to Paris all the time we never once had trouble understanding the French or they her. I guess being beautiful makes those Frenchies pay attention more.

Those are some good memories in any language!

true. besided. french companions are amongst most beautiful. The women i saw in montreal. oh la la la :-).

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by EJunkie

Parisian French speakers derisively call Quebecois geese because of their pronunciation. Most noticeable in how oui is pronounced in each.

Not all of them do. In fact if you want to speak in generalizations the ones that are amongst these "arrogant parisien french speakers" ignore almost anyone that does not speak exactly their french or english. They did not ignore the non- french speakers, because they value any effort of people who "try" to crawl up their ass and speak "their french" - even if it s really really really bad. That is why the ignored the montreal french because they - rightfully - gave a rats ass about "parisien french" knowing quite well that the french in question know what they had been saying and were just behaving like arrogant pricks.

It derises partially from their "minority complex" because french is not a international language anymore as it once was in past centuries. It has nothing to do with the french not liking quebecoise. Many of them don`t think so much about quebec as to not like them.
Same happens to germans or anyone else. If you don`t speak or make an effort to speak "their french" they tend to behave that way. But that has changed and is changing a lot.

I used to work in Geneva and french speaking parts of switzerland. Same scenario there. Some french are simply "language racists". They very well understand english and german but they pretend they don`t understand a fucking word. I can`t stand such arrogant pricks and refuse to do business with them. Oh and then all of a sudden they speak english and german very well. Many french speak perfectly well german. I refuse to speak french with them out of principle until they make some effort to entertain in any other language. Anyone outside of France cannot automatically expect people to speak their language, especially in switzerland.

The same i had the experience with some spanish speaking people. They come to Austria and expect anyone to speak spanish. I do understand a little since i speak italian, but they don`t want to understand italian. They just refuse to understand anything that is remotely out of their own language.Even if it sounds exactly the same. Italian and spanish is not sooooooooo different! Its not like we ar having philosophic discussians with tourists ! Worst is that they don`t even slow down when you tell them you understand them if they slow down a bit. No way. They continue to brabble as fast as possible to make it difficult for you to understand.

That is plain and simple arrogance. I used to work in customer service in a large very internationally visited Museum for a long time so i know exactly all of these "language racisms". I have dealt with them for many many many years and developed my own technique of arrogance to let them know what i think of them. Best is to start brabbling in german very fast and explain to them everything in hectic movements and then just ignore the fact they don`t understand a word. That is - wow - extremely effective to make them listening! Once they do listen - miraculously now they understand any effort you make in their language. Wow.

[Randy4Candy]

Anyhow, just how far right is a "Canadian Conservative?" Maybe it's closer to an oxymoron than anything else.

[Guest053011]

Originally Posted by EJunkie

Some good history around how France added to the female population is Quebec by rounding up prostitutes and shipping them over.

That helps explain Montreal

[EJunkie]

Originally Posted by Lauren Summerhill

That helps explain Montreal

Genetics; nature over nurture.

If they can turn foxes into lapdogs in just a few generations; think of the potential of the genetic pool of Montreal

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...s/ratliff-text

[EJunkie]

On a serious note, and related to the industry, I believe the majority Conservative government will make prostitution illegal in Canada.


While prostitution is not illegal in Canada, there are a number of associated activities that are. “Living of the avails” for example threatens spouses/SOs/children/parents of escorts. “Communicating for the purpose” the way it is written, impedes the ability of a street escort to screen. Incalls are illegal, which most would say makes escorting more dangerous. Because of this incongruity- prostitution being legal with laws around prostitution making it less safe than it could be – there was a court challenge to these laws. That challenge was successful and it is now before the Supreme Court.


It’s important to keep in mind the basis of the challenge is that there are laws that make something that is legal less safe. The current Conservative party has key support from the Canadian “religious right”, and the current Conservative party operates by focusing on their key supporters. They don’t grow their support by reaching out to new groups; they solidify their support and drive wedge issues to divide the opposition votes.


Given that, I think the Conservative government will come up with a law making prostitution illegal. That panders to one of their key support demographics, takes the basis of the court challenge away, and is an issue most opposition parties would not want to take on publicly.