Russian weapons

[VitaMan]

One of the reasons the Soviet Union disintegrated was noted by Gorbachev. He said they could never keep up the expenditures to equal the modern weapons of the West. That was the keystone of the Reagan years. Of course he spent the US budget into uncharted territory, but that is for another topic. Reagan received tremendous credit for his unwavering stance.

Putin did not realize the difference in weaponry when he bumbled into Ukraine. Or he thought it would not be available to Ukraine.

The strategy of the West to provide Ukraine modern weaponry is proving to be a big success. Give credit where credit is due.

And kudos to the fighting Ukrainians.

Select from 1 of these 2 topics:

strategy of the West
Putin not anticipating the support provided by the West

[farmstud60]

wrong on all counts. Putin is using the winter and lack of Biden to provide energy to Ukraine to finish Ukraine off with winter weather and no heat.

[VitaMan]

Don't say wrong.


It's just your opinion. I won't say it is wrong.

[WTF]

Putin was not expecting the support of the West.

I think he thought Trump would win and then he could have just bulldozed Kiev.

Lucky for Ukraine, Trump lost.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by WTF

Putin was not expecting the support of the West.

I think he thought Trump would win and then he could have just bulldozed Kiev.

Lucky for Ukraine, Trump lost.

biggest bunch of nonsense posted. Trump kept Putin out and Trumps policies on energy weakened Putin. Biden did just the opposite and Putin attacked Ukraine because of Biden's weakness

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

biggest bunch of nonsense posted. Trump kept Putin out and Trumps policies on energy weakened Putin. Biden did just the opposite and Putin attacked Ukraine because of Biden's weakness

WTF is revising history again.

RUSSIA,RUSSIA,RUSSIA, RUSSIA. I am beginning to think that WTF is Adam Schiff’s ECCIE handle.

The reality is Biden, through his son Hunter, is bought and paid for by the Ukrainians. He is also bought and paid for by the Chinese Commies.

That being said, I think Putin underestimated the Western Democracies contributions in weaponry to Ukraine.

It’s a toss up on who will freeze to death first. If Ukraine can disrupt Russian Supply Chains, all of those conscripts might get unhappily real quick.

The downside is this war is costing everybody a shit load of money. These high tech weapons are expensive.

Of course, I suppose the weapons manufactures are reaping the rewards. They employ people. Taxes are getting paid. ………..It’s a shame people are also dying.

[dilbert firestorm]

if Trump were president, Putin would not have tried to invade Ukraine.


only reason Putin did it is because of biden's weakness and biden's unnecessary provocations.


that said I think Ukraine will handle winter war better than the Russians.


Putin did not expect Western nations to support Ukraine to the extent that was not expected.


it is also apparent that the Russian Military logistics supply line is crap.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by WTF

Putin was not expecting the support of the West.

I think he thought Trump would win and then he could have just bulldozed Kiev.

Lucky for Ukraine, Trump lost.

And you may be right about that! It can be fun to speculate, but who really knows what that alternate future might have been.

In any case, I think Putin was taking a cue from the recent past when, in 2014, he took over ("annexed") the Crimean Peninsula and parts of Eastern Ukraine without objection form the US government at that time. At that time, Mr. Trump was a private citizen involved with deal-making, but Mr Biden was Vice President and Mr Obama was in charge as President and Commander-in-Chief.

It is my recollection that at thjat time, the USA had a treaty with Ukraine that promised we would ensure their sovereignty. And so, in the face of Russian aggression against Ukraine, the USA sent them blankets and tents.

How much of that do I have wrong?

[dumars]

Biden’s weakness is changing tank, artillery and rocket warfare with Javelin and Himars and others! Although, drones, overall may be having a larger impact! Biden’s weakness was also displayed by exposing Putin’s buildup along the border before Feb 24 along with U.S. intelligence that tracked so many high ranking Russian officers to their demise! I’d bet my SSA check Biden’s weakness has caused a bunch of CIA, NSA, DIA, etc, types to be crawling all over the place over there!

Originally Posted by farmstud60

Biden's weakness

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by dumars

Biden’s weakness is changing tank, artillery and rocket warfare with Javelin and Himars and others! Although, drones, overall may be having a larger impact! Biden’s weakness was also displayed by exposing Putin’s buildup along the border before Feb 24 along with U.S. intelligence that tracked so many high ranking Russian officers to their demise! I’d bet my SSA check Biden’s weakness has caused a bunch of CIA, NSA, DIA, etc, types to be crawling all over the place over there!

Biden's weakness is Biden.

[ICU 812]

In the more distant past: During the Cartar presidency, Iran took over our embassy in Teheran. There was little opposition from the staff during the immediate takeover, perhaps there was not much to be done. The staff were imprisoned there. and held hostage in violation of denies old diplomatic tradition and international treaty law.

The occupation dragged on for months . . .and months. Carter did little to nothing. Finally, there was that botched attempt to free them that ended in disaster. Perceiving Carter to be weak and ineffective, the Russians invaded Afghanistan.

Fcast forward to 2020; Mr. Biden is elected and immediately initiates the debacle of our Afghanistan withdrawal. No one outside of the Wite House thinks that went well. Perceiving him to be weak and ineffective, the Russians invade Ukraine.

Anyone see a parallel here with the elections of Carter and Biden, and the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and Ukraine?

Some future Historian or Political Science academic will write a PhD dissertation on tht topic.

The imprisoned hostages were only released when Ronald Reagan was elected. The Iranians were afraide of him I think.

[VitaMan]

What a world we would live in if Mr. Trump were president when Putin invaded Ukraine.


Putin would now have taken over much of Ukraine. NATO would be in disarray because of Mr. Trump. Modern weapons would not have been supplied to the degree they have to enable Ukraine to defend itself,

[greenbook]

Only sane post and only post without gross misspellings.

[WTF]

Putin/Trump defenders are posting strong in this thread!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by WTF

Putin/Trump defenders are posting strong in this thread!

if you say so