CNN Doc says "the science has changed"!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Dude, you post in every thread. Often repeatedly. Frequently consecutively. Answering such posts are stalking? Can't spit in the air without hitting one of your Qbert conspiracy posts or petty attacks against other posters.

Where is there a thread someone can post that you don't consider stalking you?

You know what to do, big fella.

Pound away, oeb.

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[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

From something you said in one of your long posts: You said the CDC made a mistake about masks in the early going of the covid. If by mistake, you mean they were factual, then yes - they let their mask slip by being honest and freakishly enough following the science by stating that masks were ridiculous against virons.


But regarding the vaxx; I believe the FDA made a general statement about vaccine safety back in September 2021. They put it out in pictures to make it easy:





No earthly idea how you may interpret the hieroglyphics .

Most, but not all, of what I've read about masks would indicate they work to help prevent spread of COVID-19. Here's something hot off the presses:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

I've got no doubt that when properly used they were a plus. If we'd had enough KN95 masks and the like around at the start of the pandemic a lot of businesses might have stayed open. Take the meat packing plants as an example. COVID wiped out the whole work forces in multiple plants and so we were stuck with meat shortages.

As to VAERS, you and I have been back and forth on that many times. I'd point to this:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

And this:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/sc...iven-vaccines/

From the second link:

the huge number of VAERS reports following COVID-19 vaccination and relative paucity for other vaccines is likely mostly due to a reporting bias. For one, because the COVID-19 vaccines are or were at first authorized under an emergency use authorization, there are much broader reporting requirements for health care providers.

For the COVID-19 vaccines, health care providers are required by law to report any vaccine administration error; any serious adverse event following vaccination, regardless of the suspected cause; any case of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome; and any COVID-19 [vaccine] case that results in hospitalization or death.

In contrast, with all other vaccines, providers are only required to report select adverse events, including the so-called reportable events for each vaccine that occur within a certain time period after vaccination, such as an allergic anaphylactic reaction.


LexusLover is fond of describing people who died of gunshot wounds, whose deaths were attributed to COVID. Well, apparently, something like that would actually fall under the criteria for reporting a death to VAERS. If someone dies from a gunshot after getting the vaccine, then theoretically the health care workers are supposed to report the death to VAERS. I doubt they'd do that, but in any event if someone dies from something like a heart attack after getting a vaccine, and the doctor thinks that was totally unrelated to the vaccine, the death should still be reported to VAERS

I kind of agree with you though. The CDC underplays the risk from vaccines. Listening to them you'd think they've only been able to tie back 20 or 30 deaths to the vaccines. My guess is that there have been several thousand, most of them really old and feeble people who would have died from COVID-19, the disease, anyway, if the vaccine or something else hadn't gotten them first. That's from ramping up a Norwegian estimate of how many people died in their old folks homes from the vaccines, to the number of elderly Americans.

The risk reward ratio though is still off-the-charts great. If you assume as you do that every one of the deaths reported to VAERS were attributable to the vaccine, then you'd have around 11,000 deaths to date. The Commonwealth Fund estimated 1.1 million lives in the USA had been saved by the vaccines through the end of November, BEFORE the Omicron wave. So you'd have less than 1 death from the vaccines for every 100 lives saved.

Now you're going to question the 1.1 million lives saved, but that's not an unreasonable number. You have to date 900,000 deaths from COVID in the USA. Sixty-five percent of the population is fully vaccinated. The percentage of the fully vaxxed people who died of COVID is much lower than the percentage of the unvaxxed who died of it. If you assumed, for example, 800,000 out of the 900,000 COVID-19 deaths were among the 35% of individuals who weren't fully vaxxed, then the vaccines would have saved substantially more than 800,000 among the 65% who were fully vaxxed.

Here's another recent piece, that addresses how much more likely an unvaccinated person is to die from COVID. During October and November of 2021, unvaccinated persons had a 53.2X higher risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to people with booster doses. And 12.7X higher risk of dying compared to people who were vaccinated but didn't have boosters:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

I don't think those numbers are good going forward, since so many of the unvaxxed now have immunity from infection. But still the data show, in 2021, you would have been wiser to get vaccinated.

And why the fuck would you listen to Benjamin Braddock anyway? His only claim to fame was banging Mrs. Robinson.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

....
Now you're going to question the 1.1 million lives saved, but that's not an unreasonable number. You have to date 900,000 deaths from COVID in the USA.
....

2022 population of U.S. ... "334,805,269"
Reportedly died of "Covid". 900,000"
U.S. population "survived". 333,005,269.

When one keeps repeating a nonfact as fact there's a "problem"!

The same crowd of liars who have continually whined about Trump "colluding" with the Russians just got exposed by the U.S. Attorney investigating the "antics" of the Clinton campaign in the 2016 election in which the Clinton campaign SPIED on Trump's residence AND NOW IT'S BEEN EXPOSED IN THE OVAL OFFICE AFTER HE WAS SWORN AS PRESIDENT.

It has been a given ... when the DumboCrats aka CommunistSocialistNazis Party accuse someone of doing evil ... it's a deflection attempt to put the opposition on defense and divert attention from THEIR OWN EVIL doing that which they accuse others of doing.

That social tactic was learned on elementary school play grounds. It's been repeatedly disclosed and to a remarkable level with respect to the alleged epidemic/pandemic associated with Covid19.

The CommunistSocialistNazis Party will soon "announce" they have "cured" Covid19, even though their "leader" in Chief announced just recently that the Federal government had no solutions to resolve the Covid19 pandemic. The CommunistSocialistNazis Party groupies apparently believe that the rest of the country are as dumb as they are.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

2022 population of U.S. ... "334,805,269"
Reportedly died of "Covid". 900,000"
U.S. population "survived". 333,005,269.

When one keeps repeating a nonfact as fact there's a "problem"!

The same crowd of liars who have continually whined about Trump "colluding" with the Russians just got exposed by the U.S. Attorney investigating the "antics" of the Clinton campaign in the 2016 election in which the Clinton campaign SPIED on Trump's residence AND NOW IT'S BEEN EXPOSED IN THE OVAL OFFICE AFTER HE WAS SWORN AS PRESIDENT.

It has been a given ... when the DumboCrats aka CommunistSocialistNazis Party accuse someone of doing evil ... it's a deflection attempt to put the opposition on defense and divert attention from THEIR OWN EVIL doing that which they accuse others of doing.

That social tactic was learned on elementary school play grounds. It's been repeatedly disclosed and to a remarkable level with respect to the alleged epidemic/pandemic associated with Covid19.

The CommunistSocialistNazis Party will soon "announce" they have "cured" Covid19, even though their "leader" in Chief announced just recently that the Federal government had no solutions to resolve the Covid19 pandemic. The CommunistSocialistNazis Party groupies apparently believe that the rest of the country are as dumb as they are.

I don’t see it. If you had to single out politicians for playing a part in developing a “cure” it would have to be Trump and some others in his administration like Mike Pence who were involved with Operation Warp Speed. Otherwise Credit goes to the scientists, doctors and others who played a part in developing the vaccines, monoclonal antibody treatments, Pfizer pill, and whatever comes down the road. Without a lot of basis, I’d also give credit to people who developed and popularized things like Why_Yes_I_Do’s Eastern Virginia Medical School protocols (zinc, quercetin, vitamin c, vitamin d, melatonin to boost immunity).

There’s no doubt though people who don’t deserve credit will try to take it.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I don’t see it.

Thanks for your honesty, finally. Perhaps one day you will comprehend the distinction between "REPORTED" and "OFFICIAL" .... in the interim here's a real life example:

It was REPORTED that Rittenhouse was a White Supremacist shooting and murdering Black people who were participating in a BLM peaceful protest, but it IS OFFICIAL he IS INNOCENT.

FYI: It's "OFFICIAL," because what was "REPORTED" was NOT TRUE!

One day when you find out perhaps you can explain FACTUALLY what Trump and particularly Pence DID to create a vaccine. It will take you some time, so hurry before I die of old age! You don't know about what you speak....post. Simply regurgitating pablum dispensed by those who want to appear "fair and balanced" is falling into a black hole of ignorance.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

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And there’s so much more!!!!!!

[nevergaveitathought]

the science has changed

they took a poll to find that out

oh ducbutter has mentioned that, sorry

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

fauxi should be in jail. fuck that pompous cock sucker

he should be sentenced to pitch every game for the crips prison baseball team

[bambino]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

he should be sentenced to pitch every game for the crips prison baseball team

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EYVB9IbSmxY

Yikes!!!!!

[rexdutchman]

Politico science has changed

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

You wrote so much text for a person that has decided to move on and just live with the covid.


The Narrative is dead. Long live the Narrative.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Most, but not all, of what I've read about masks would indicate they work to help prevent spread of COVID-19. Here's something hot off the presses:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

I've got no doubt that when properly used they were a plus. If we'd had enough KN95 masks and the like around at the start of the pandemic a lot of businesses might have stayed open. Take the meat packing plants as an example. COVID wiped out the whole work forces in multiple plants and so we were stuck with meat shortages.

As to VAERS, you and I have been back and forth on that many times. I'd point to this:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html

And this:

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/12/sc...iven-vaccines/

From the second link:

the huge number of VAERS reports following COVID-19 vaccination and relative paucity for other vaccines is likely mostly due to a reporting bias. For one, because the COVID-19 vaccines are or were at first authorized under an emergency use authorization, there are much broader reporting requirements for health care providers.

For the COVID-19 vaccines, health care providers are required by law to report any vaccine administration error; any serious adverse event following vaccination, regardless of the suspected cause; any case of Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome; and any COVID-19 [vaccine] case that results in hospitalization or death.

In contrast, with all other vaccines, providers are only required to report select adverse events, including the so-called reportable events for each vaccine that occur within a certain time period after vaccination, such as an allergic anaphylactic reaction.


LexusLover is fond of describing people who died of gunshot wounds, whose deaths were attributed to COVID. Well, apparently, something like that would actually fall under the criteria for reporting a death to VAERS. If someone dies from a gunshot after getting the vaccine, then theoretically the health care workers are supposed to report the death to VAERS. I doubt they'd do that, but in any event if someone dies from something like a heart attack after getting a vaccine, and the doctor thinks that was totally unrelated to the vaccine, the death should still be reported to VAERS

I kind of agree with you though. The CDC underplays the risk from vaccines. Listening to them you'd think they've only been able to tie back 20 or 30 deaths to the vaccines. My guess is that there have been several thousand, most of them really old and feeble people who would have died from COVID-19, the disease, anyway, if the vaccine or something else hadn't gotten them first. That's from ramping up a Norwegian estimate of how many people died in their old folks homes from the vaccines, to the number of elderly Americans.

The risk reward ratio though is still off-the-charts great. If you assume as you do that every one of the deaths reported to VAERS were attributable to the vaccine, then you'd have around 11,000 deaths to date. The Commonwealth Fund estimated 1.1 million lives in the USA had been saved by the vaccines through the end of November, BEFORE the Omicron wave. So you'd have less than 1 death from the vaccines for every 100 lives saved.

Now you're going to question the 1.1 million lives saved, but that's not an unreasonable number. You have to date 900,000 deaths from COVID in the USA. Sixty-five percent of the population is fully vaccinated. The percentage of the fully vaxxed people who died of COVID is much lower than the percentage of the unvaxxed who died of it. If you assumed, for example, 800,000 out of the 900,000 COVID-19 deaths were among the 35% of individuals who weren't fully vaxxed, then the vaccines would have saved substantially more than 800,000 among the 65% who were fully vaxxed.

Here's another recent piece, that addresses how much more likely an unvaccinated person is to die from COVID. During October and November of 2021, unvaccinated persons had a 53.2X higher risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to people with booster doses. And 12.7X higher risk of dying compared to people who were vaccinated but didn't have boosters:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

I don't think those numbers are good going forward, since so many of the unvaxxed now have immunity from infection. But still the data show, in 2021, you would have been wiser to get vaccinated.

And why the fuck would you listen to Benjamin Braddock anyway? His only claim to fame was banging Mrs. Robinson.

[Jacuzzme]

One day when you find out perhaps you can explain FACTUALLY what Trump and particularly Pence DID to create a vaccine.

Obviously they’re not scientists. From my understanding, what they actually did was use the power of the executive branch to cut red tape normally associated with developing vaccines.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by nevergaveitathought

he should be sentenced to pitch every game for the crips prison baseball team

I see him as more of a "catcher". Kinda like O'Bama.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

let Ike explain it to you.


The views expressed in this article are the writer's own.

after you read this, tell the forum why...........

Waco, there were 75,000 deaths due to Omicron in one week(worldwide). Ike does not have the answer.

The omicron variant may be weaker than the delta variant, it can still get into your lungs and kill people. Since the the Regeneron antibodies don't work against the omicron variant. The best protection is:

1. Two shot vaccine plus the booster or J&J one shot plus booster from Moderna or Pfizer.

2. Two shot vaccine (Moderna, Pfizer) with the second shot not taken before April 1, 2021.

3. Continue to do what you are doing take some extra zinc and vitamin d.

https://www.livemint.com/science/hea...270991593.html