Not Guilty on all counts

[Jacuzzme]

Originally Posted by Tsmokies

It was just announced that the victims' families have filed a lawsuit on Kyle, the owner of the assault weapon and the city and state that allowed a 17 year old to illegally possess and cause bodily harm including death with an assault rifle. Videos show that law enforcement made no effort to enforce this illegal possession of an assault rifle. Slam dunk

Yes I do say so dah

LMAO! They must’ve missed the illegal weapon charge getting thrown out because........It’s not illegal.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Yeah, I am not a lawyer but I have common sense. Do you think any news entity is going to settle anywhere fucking close to that number? They have a team of in house counsel for those defamation suits. That is just in house counsel. If they wanted to add to that and outsource some work to some hotshots, they easily could as well with their financial resources.

They could bury those small town Kentucky lawyers for years if they wanted to play the court game with them and when it's all said and done, those lawyers would regret not taking the $500K they were offered years earlier.

they settled. what does that tell you? they didn't want a jury trial. they knew they fucked up with their rush to judgement to fit heir racist narrative.


so tell me homey .. what was their cut line where it became too costly to pay all them CNN lawyers vs. settle? if CNN has the deep pockets you claim they didn't try to sting out the case. why?


nope. they cut a deal and it wasn't a lousy 500k when the loss could have been 250 M or more at trial.

[Lucas McCain]

I already explained it. Whether you want to accept it or not is called a you problem not worth going back and forth about unless you can get Mr. Sandman to tell us the exact amount.

Don't get all grouchy old timer because I pointed out the difference between a "win" and a "settlement". Maybe you should have looked that up on Google or YouTube and not just winged it. My bad, I thought it was basic common sense.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

BAAHHAHHAAAAAA

... Hee Hee! ... Almost spilled me beer from LAUGHING!

Rittenhouse bloke gotta WHOLE LOTTA MONEY there. $$$

#### Salty

[Jacuzzme]

I’d bet 10mil minimum. With the suit being against CNN, the most hated and flagrantly biased “news” source of them all, Sandman could’ve gotten enough crowd funding to hire any lawyer he wanted. Not to mention the 1000 jackals who would’ve worked on commission and book deals.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Yeah, I am not a lawyer but I have common sense. Do you think any news entity is going to settle anywhere fucking close to that number? They have a team of in house counsel for those defamation suits. That is just in house counsel. If they wanted to add to that and outsource some work to some hotshots, they easily could as well with their financial resources.

They could bury those small town Kentucky lawyers for years if they wanted to play the court game with them and when it's all said and done, those lawyers would regret not taking the $500K they were offered years earlier.

if you say so


Opinion: Nicholas Sandmann and his lawyers are playing for keeps

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...playing-keeps/


By Erik Wemple

Media critic

July 30, 2020


On behalf of Kentucky teenager Nicholas Sandmann, Atlanta defamation lawyer Lin Wood sued CNN, The Post, the New York Times, Gannett, Rolling Stone, ABC News, CBS News and NBC News. At issue is the coverage of those outlets of a January 2019 confrontation at the Lincoln Memorial between Sandmann, then a student at Covington Catholic High School, and Native American activist Nathan Phillips. CNN and The Post have agreed to settlements. The other cases continue chugging along.


Twitter appears to be next. And then? “After the Twitter complaint is filed, there is a strong likelihood that a number of individuals who falsely attacked and threatened Nicholas on Twitter will be sued,” noted Wood in an email.

Defamation lawsuits on behalf of @N1ckSandmann still pending in Federal Court in Covington, Kentucky are against NBC, ABC. CBS, Rolling Stone, Gannett, & New York Times. Footsteps of justice also approaching Jack & @Twitter. #FightBack https://t.co/rvmLv4MdcH
— Lin Wood (@LLinWood) July 24, 2020

“Jack,” in this case, is Twitter chief executive Jack Dorsey, who has a heightening profile in the country’s political battles. Twitter has recently begun annotating particularly harmful tweets from President Trump, a move that reignited claims that the company is biased against Republicans and their allies. Some critics favor scaling back the protections afforded to Twitter and other social media companies under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996, a provision that shields communications companies from liability for most content posted on their platforms by third-party users. If Twitter and its brethren “have now decided to exercise an editorial role like a publisher then they should no longer be shielded from liability & treated as publishers under the law,” tweeted Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) in May.


In Wood’s view, Twitter is “engaged in editing and publishing content” and so doesn’t deserve immunity under Section 230. The provision, he further argues, took effect before social media evolved and wasn’t “intended to address ‘platforms’ such as Twitter.”


A Twitter spokesman declined to comment on prospective litigation. Aaron Mackey, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says that “immunity for user-generated content is not premised on requiring platforms to be passive conduits of their users’ speech. The language of the statute contains no such requirement and no court that I am aware of has ever interpreted the law as requiring platforms to be hands-off.” The section, he says, “immunizes any online service that hosts user-generated content from legal claims based on that user-generated content” — not just services that existed in the 1990s.


Wood these days is assailing his critics on — where else? — Twitter. The offensive has included slights at folks who’ve suggested that those settlements aren’t much to speak of. After CNN host Brian Stelter retweeted such a thought, Wood lashed out:

This retweet by @brianstelter may have cost him his job at @CNN. It is called breach of confidentiality agreement. Brian Stelter is a liar. I know how to deal with liars. pic.twitter.com/1VHxby9gim
— Lin Wood (@LLinWood) July 27, 2020

In a chat with the Erik Wemple Blog, Wood displayed the same bravado: “If there is anybody who published a false accusation against this boy, whether it be on Twitter or the mainstream media, that has not yet been sued, they should not sleep well for the next several months,” says Wood, who noted that his team and Sandmann would make a decision on their next steps “over the course of time.”


Putting aside legalities, Twitter performed many roles for the mainstream media in the Sandmann case: tipster, source, assignment editor and more. Via a plume of like-minded tweets, thousands of people who weren’t on hand to witness the events in question molded an impression of the goings-on that proved difficult to puncture. Much of the momentum on this front stemmed from a single tweet from an account that Twitter later suspended. “This MAGA loser gleefully bothering a Native American protester at the Indigenous Peoples March,” said the post from account @2020fight. Included in the tweet was a short video of Sandmann, then a 16-year-old student at Covington Catholic High School, wearing a MAGA hat and standing face to face with Phillips. The video racked up at least 2.5 million views, according to CNN.


Depending on your perspective, Sandmann — who is now 18 — was either smiling affably at Phillips or smirking in a pose of condescension.


The posting from @2020fight touched off a days-long frenzy of commentary, the first wave of which was inimical to Sandmann and his schoolmates. Condemnations were everywhere. The prevailing sentiment stemmed from the physics of the situation: In the short video, youngsters seemed to surround Phillips and his contingent. It initially appeared, therefore, that the kids had swarmed Phillips & Co. in an act of aggression and harassment.


Videos with a wider sweep then emerged. As it turned out, Phillips and his fellow activists had trudged into the middle of the assembled students, not the other way around. In one of his statements about the events, Phillips insisted to the Associated Press that he was trying to defuse a confrontation between the Covington students and a group of Hebrew Israelites who were attempting to provoke the students and other bystanders with vile and offensive taunts. “What I saw was my country being torn apart. I couldn’t stand by and let that happen,” Phillips said.


Social media onlookers were still entitled to their opinions on how the school kids behaved amid the confrontation. Even an investigation for the Covington Diocese and Covington Catholic High School concluded that “some students performed a ‘tomahawk chop’ to the beat of Mr. Phillips’ drumming and some joined in Mr. Phillips’ chant.” (Sandmann did not do the “tomahawk chop.”) In a piece for Deadspin, Laura Wagner pointed to the chop, among other considerations, in arguing that the additional videotape didn’t provide a more charitable angle on the kids’ conduct. “Don’t Doubt What You Saw With Your Own Eyes,” reads the piece’s headline.


But the Twitter uproar convinced many mainstream media outlets that articles needed to be written right away. The results were lamentable, in large part because there was no swarm of reporters assembled to chronicle the tail end of a Kentucky school’s field trip to Washington. In a post about the controversy, this blog plotted how CNN, the New York Times and The Post adjusted their versions of the event as they gathered more information.


Wood and Kentucky attorney Todd McMurtry have argued in their filings that the portrayals defamed Sandmann. In the suit against Rolling Stone, for example, the lawyers write that the magazine “accused Nicholas of behavior constituting menacing racial intimidation of Phillips, a Native American political activist, while Phillips was purportedly engaged in peaceful song and prayer at the Lincoln Memorial.” Rolling Stone, as well as other outlets sued by Sandmann, used a quote from Phillips first published in The Post. “It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial.' I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way, and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.”


That claim was “unequivocally and provably false,” argues the Sandmann suit against Rolling Stone. Phillips’s version of events, argues the litigation, imputes racist conduct to Sandmann, not to mention a “hate crime” for allegedly “interfering” in Native American song and prayer. Other outlets cited in Sandmann lawsuits for republishing the Post quote include ABC News, NBC News, Gannett and the New York Times. In their various complaints, Sandmann’s lawyers have pointed out that reliance on the word of Phillips is a dicey journalistic proposition, considering that he told The Post that he’d been “blocked”; the Associated Press that he’d tried to defuse a situation; and Democracy Now that he was focused on “taking the youth out of there, the Indigenous youth that was with me.”


A great deal of legal work went into the fundamentals of being “blocked,” and not in the Twitter sense. Was that just Phillips’s opinion, in which case news outlets enjoy wholesome constitutional protections in publishing it? Or was that a fact, in which case it could serve as a basis for a defamation complaint? In a July 2019 ruling, U.S. District Judge William O. Bertelsman found that the “blocked” statement was indeed an opinion, an assertion that was not “capable of being proved objectively incorrect.” In a motion for reconsideration, however, Sandmann’s lawyers argued it was a plain-as-day fact. Kevin T. Baine, a Williams & Connolly lawyer arguing for The Post, countered in a subsequent hearing: “Mr. Phillips’ perception was that because of all that, he was blocked. Mr. Sandmann’s perception was, well, I didn’t block him.”


Through an order last October, Bertelsman allowed the case to proceed, but only with respect to statements that Sandmann had “blocked” Phillips and “would not allow him to retreat.” That decision set the stage for last week’s announcement that the parties had settled the case. “We are pleased that we have been able to reach a mutually agreeable resolution of the remaining claims of the lawsuit,” said Post spokeswoman Kris Coratti in a statement to her own paper. After Sandmann filed suit against the newspaper, it published an editor’s note clarifying that additional information arose “contradicting or failing to confirm accounts provided in this story — including that Native American activist Nathan Phillips was prevented by one student from moving on, that his group had been taunted by the students in the lead-up to the encounter, and that the students were trying to instigate a conflict.”


For working journalists, there are lessons here. The narrow one is that eyewitnesses and sources mix fact, impression and opinion in their interviews; legal protections for those sorts of statements vary, so be careful in quoting them. The broad one is that just because all your peers on Twitter agree on the takeaway from a minute-long video doesn’t mean a thing.


Twitter-active journalists and commentators may face down these very issues if Sandmann sues the blue check mark crowd. According to Wood, the statute of limitations “tolls” for minors in such cases, so that he’ll have a year from Sandmann’s 18th birthday — which was earlier this month — to bring cases against Twitter and its account holders. He has some useful experience in this realm, as he filed a defamation suit against MSNBC’s Joy Reid over her social media posts attacking a woman named Roslyn La Liberte for allegedly participating in racist conduct at a California community meeting.


La Liberte, too, was wearing a MAGA hat.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

I already explained it. Whether you want to accept it or not is called a you problem not worth going back and forth about unless you can get Mr. Sandman to tell us the exact amount.

Don't get all grouchy old timer because I pointed out the difference between a "win" and a "settlement". Maybe you should have looked that up on Google or YouTube and not just winged it. My bad, I thought it was basic common sense.

... Actually, I surely don't wanna sound boss-cocky here,
but Lucas and his opinion are prolly in the direction
of being correct on this matter.

Though in some cases, prolly MORE than $500,000.

But a $250 Million lawsuit is Grand. It really is. $$$$
However, even if you WIN it against the likes of
FOX or CNN, they would NO DOUBT appeal the decision
and tie you up in the Courts for years and years...

Which is why both sides surely seek settlements.
That's what Lucas was pointing out.

Then there's the fact that the Sandmann joey
WAS damaged under the law here, BUT ---
NOT to the tune of $250 Million by CNN.

Maybe... maybe a few million.

... Just sayin'

#### Salty

[Lucas McCain]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Actually, I surely don't wanna sound boss-cocky here,
but Lucas and his opinion are prolly in the direction
of being correct on this matter.

Though in some cases, prolly MORE than $500,000.

But a $250 Million lawsuit is Grand. It really is. $$$$
However, even if you WIN it against the likes of
FOX or CNN, they would NO DOUBT appeal the decision
and tie you up in the Courts for years and years...

Which is why both sides surely seek settlements.
That's what Lucas was pointing out.

Then there's the fact that the Sandmann joey
WAS damaged under the law here, BUT ---
NOT to the tune of $250 Million by CNN.

Maybe... maybe a few million.

... Just sayin'

#### Salty

Salty, you get what I was saying. I don't doubt they could win a huge settlement in civil court considering the conservative venue where the suits were filed. It wouldn't have even mattered if they did though because it would not have meant anything. By the time the defendants were done with the appeals, Mr. Sandman would have been a grandparent and his attorneys would have been dead (okay, that was a big exaggeration on my part but you get the point).

People settle for a reason. Those plaintiff attorneys weren't expecting anything close to the amount of those lawsuits. Once things get to mediation and then closer and closer to court , both sides tend to get more realistic about a fair agreement and a settlement is reached and they move on to the next case.

I don't know what that kid received as a settlement from CNN and WAPO, but I am sure it's a hell of a lot more than the $27.38 I had waiting for me in my bank account on my 18th birthday. haha

[The_Waco_Kid]

Tucker the GOAT Carlson taking the left to the woodshed

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

I’m surprised at the Verdict.

The next thing this kid should do is get the best lawyer in the Country and sue the living shit out of everybody that used their resources and power to malign his reputation.

Starting with that sorry piece of shit in the Whitehouse.

You're surprised? Sounds like you thought that Kyle was innocent...so, is it because you thought the jury would crack or be taken in by politics?

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by winn dixie

Attachment 877550

Sam Eliot...Crow! It's what's for dinner.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by SecretE

Sue 'em all, and let the courts sort it out. This young man will be "persona non grata" to a significant segment of the population, for the rest of his life. He's going to need a lot of money to weather that storm.

He may have enough money to endow a wing at his favorite college which will then have to accept him. Of course, West Point is an option.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

I'm not sure why this case even matters. None of those motherfuckers are/were going to amount to shit in life. I could not have cared less whether crybaby Kyle got 10 years or they sent him back to his trailer park in a limo. His life is/was going to suck either way regardless of the outcome of the charges is how I look at it. I don't give a fuck about Kyle and I don't give a fuck about the people he shot.

That's okay, we don't give a fuck about you.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

I was watching Louder with Crowder when the verdict came down. When the crew heard a the verdict a party broke out.

[Ripmany]

He should gotten off however it was sure stupid volunteer work he did. If sue police department or DA I hope he gets lot legal trouble and fliblous lawsuy, if use not guilty to get into college or politics or pastor job or management job. Going to a riot zone when you not normal there or part of Nation guard is very dumb.