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[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Has anything about Joe Biden become apparent to you?

Why isn't one single Democrat asking why Pelosi put a brand new Congressman from her state on the Intelligence Committee, after being told by the FBI that he had a long working relationship with a Chinese spy and more than likely, a sexual relationship and the fact that Swalwell accepted money from this person and it can not or has as yet been proven whether it was money from China or not.

Trump's a piece of shit, Pelosi, Scuhmer, Schitt for brains are all pieces of shit which is why I hold all of them in contempt and concentrate on the policies they put forward because they are all pieces of shit and I know you know that.

While Biden isn't as caustic as Trump, I believe he is every bit the corrupt politician and will lead this country into disaster.

I'm saddened by this. If the judicial system, the military, the justice department, and people like William Barr, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence were as chicken shit as Josh Hawley, Louie Gohmert, and about 150 other like minded Republicans, Trump would turn our liberal democracy into a semi-totalitarian, populist banana republic. The threat to our democracy isn't from the right or the left. It's from our Narcissist In Chief.

He will fail but in the process may drag down the Republican Party, and cause Democrats to rule the roost for the foreseeable future. If that happens you better damn well hope that people like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer maintain control, because Sanders, AOC, et al will send the country down the tubes.

The worst case scenario would be to see the Trump faction of the Republican Party joined at the hip to the Sanders faction. Maybe Josh Hawley and Bernie Sanders co-sponsoring the $1800 stimulus handout is a forerunner to that. You marry totalitarians to socialists and you end up with Venezuela. And don't laugh. Trump has this last week shown himself perfectly willing to promote redistributive socialism if it suits his agenda. He supported a wealth tax, like Sanders and Warren, when he was younger and a Democrat. Trump has figured out that only the little people have to pay taxes, so it's no sweat off of his back. Think about how many Sanders voters in the primaries in 2016 migrated to Trump in the general election.

As to Biden, yeah, his son is corrupt as hell. But exactly where's the evidence Joe was involved? I went to the trouble to look at his tax returns, which you can find here,

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

Biden's 2016 return shows when he left the office of the Vice Presidency he was destitute, by the standards of most powerful politicians. Then in 2017 he made a ton of money, $10 million, from a couple of Sub-S corporations that he used for speaking engagements and books. And he did well in 2018 and 2019, but not that well. Ironically, he used Sub-S's to avoid paying the 3.8% Medicare tax. Democrats mercilessly criticize this tax avoidance technique. Anyway, I see no evidence of corruption from his tax returns. That's not to say that Hunter didn't create some foreign corporations for Dad that never saw the light of day, (think Paul Manafort) but that's far fetched.

Yes, I pretty much agree with you about Russia. But Ukraine stunk to high heaven. And there's lots and lots of history associated with the Trump business empire that would make the Donald look about as crooked as Hunter Biden, only perhaps smarter, so he never got caught. Or maybe he did -- it appears the New York attorney general's office thinks it has something.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

If that happens you better damn well hope that people like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer maintain control, because Sanders, AOC, et al will send the country down the tubes.

The worst case scenario would be to see the Trump faction of the Republican Party joined at the hip to the Sanders faction. Maybe Josh Hawley and Bernie Sanders co-sponsoring the $1800 stimulus handout is a forerunner to that. You marry totalitarians to socialists and you end up with Venezuela. And don't laugh.

Why not?

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

money laundering is illegal.

For whom did either of them launder money? What exactly was the scheme? I suspect you don’t know how money laundering works. Maybe you can explain what you think or rather read on some right wing nut site as this laundering scheme.

[Yssup Rider]

DF never googled a conspiracy he wouldn’t repost.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by eccieuser9500

Why not?

Eccieuser, My hate and fear of Bernie Sanders does not diminish my love for you. To be clear, this is the type of love one brother would feel for another. I do not want to fuck you, unless you have breasts and a vagina (original equipment, not surgically implanted) and are reasonably attractive.

And I do not believe that's the case, that you might be, say, Alyssa's second handle or AOC in disguise, slumming on a hooker board. So I'll leave it at that.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Eccieuser, My hate and fear of Bernie Sanders does not diminish my love for you. To be clear, this is the type of love one brother would feel for another. I do not want to fuck you, unless you have breasts and a vagina (original equipment, not surgically implanted) and are reasonably attractive.

And I do not believe that's the case, that you might be, say, Alyssa's second handle or AOC in disguise, slumming on a hooker board. So I'll leave it at that.

I still have my "aging well as I get older" good looks. My man-boobs haven't come in yet. Can't wait. My man-gina is in my heart. So that would be hard to access. I wouldn't give it to you anyway.

Brotherly love? Like Philly? I know what that means. Elbow to the gut as I move to the basket. But pick you up after you catch your breath.

What do you get when you marry a totalitarian and a Nationalist?

I love you too.

My political junkie brother.

[eccieuser9500]

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'm saddened by this. If the judicial system, the military, the justice department, and people like William Barr, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence were as chicken shit as Josh Hawley, Louie Gohmert, and about 150 other like minded Republicans, Trump would turn our liberal democracy into a semi-totalitarian, populist banana republic. The threat to our democracy isn't from the right or the left. It's from our Narcissist In Chief.

There is not now, nor was there ever a threat to our democracy IMHO. Just hyperbole, an "excited utterance" if you will. The courts will review every single thing Trump and his supporters do and I have full faith that the SC will not allow Trump or his supporters to get away with anything that violates the Constitution.

He will fail but in the process may drag down the Republican Party, and cause Democrats to rule the roost for the foreseeable future. If that happens you better damn well hope that people like Biden, Pelosi and Schumer maintain control, because Sanders, AOC, et al will send the country down the tubes.

Which is exactly what I predict in the next two years and Republicans will be right back in charge because that "incident" will not be more important than saving the country from the Progressive wing of the Democrat party.

The worst case scenario would be to see the Trump faction of the Republican Party joined at the hip to the Sanders faction. Maybe Josh Hawley and Bernie Sanders co-sponsoring the $1800 stimulus handout is a forerunner to that. You marry totalitarians to socialists and you end up with Venezuela. And don't laugh. Trump has this last week shown himself perfectly willing to promote redistributive socialism if it suits his agenda. He supported a wealth tax, like Sanders and Warren, when he was younger and a Democrat. Trump has figured out that only the little people have to pay taxes, so it's no sweat off of his back. Think about how many Sanders voters in the primaries in 2016 migrated to Trump in the general election.

As to Biden, yeah, his son is corrupt as hell. But exactly where's the evidence Joe was involved? I went to the trouble to look at his tax returns, which you can find here,

That evidence is on Hunter's laptop and testimony provided by Tony Bobulinski and my guess is that Rob Walker and James Gilliar have now been interviewed by the FBI and under threat of indictment, have come clean about Joe Biden's involvement as can be seen in Hunter's e-mails which if planted by the Russians, they also planted them on Bobulinski's e-mail and phone conversations all of which the FBI has since Bobulinski gave the FBI the same testimony he gave on air.

Are you unaware of this testimony Tiny or just discount it as Russian disinformation as the Democrats would have us believe?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-alleges-father-knew-about-venture-11603421247

Hunter Biden’s Ex-Business Partner Alleges Father Knew About Venture

The question is, is "knowing about Hunter's deals" enough to get him impeached? I would think not. It would have to be shown that Joe Biden actually profitted from a criminal enterprise and I have no idea if what Bobulinski has said is enough to prove that.

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

Biden's 2016 return shows when he left the office of the Vice Presidency he was destitute, by the standards of most powerful politicians. Then in 2017 he made a ton of money, $10 million, from a couple of Sub-S corporations that he used for speaking engagements and books. And he did well in 2018 and 2019, but not that well. Ironically, he used Sub-S's to avoid paying the 3.8% Medicare tax. Democrats mercilessly criticize this tax avoidance technique. Anyway, I see no evidence of corruption from his tax returns. That's not to say that Hunter didn't create some foreign corporations for Dad that never saw the light of day, (think Paul Manafort) but that's far fetched.

According to Bobulinski, it isn't far fetched at all and to the idea that this is merely a simple tax matter, I'm sure Manafort and Cohen were hoping the same thing.

Yes, I pretty much agree with you about Russia. But Ukraine stunk to high heaven. And there's lots and lots of history associated with the Trump business empire that would make the Donald look about as crooked as Hunter Biden, only perhaps smarter, so he never got caught. Or maybe he did -- it appears the New York attorney general's office thinks it has something.

If there is evidence that Trump broke the law, prosecute his ass. Nobody is above the law. I believe that and I think we will see State indictments of Trump before the end of January. Let the chips fall where they may. I couldn't care less what happens to Trump. I supported most of his policy agenda's but without power, I have no use for the man. If I saw him coming down the street, I would cross to the other side.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

That evidence is on Hunter's laptop and testimony provided by Tony Bobulinski and my guess is that Rob Walker and James Gilliar have now been interviewed by the FBI and under threat of indictment, have come clean about Joe Biden's involvement as can be seen in Hunter's e-mails which if planted by the Russians, they also planted them on Bobulinski's e-mail and phone conversations all of which the FBI has since Bobulinski gave the FBI the same testimony he gave on air.

Are you unaware of this testimony Tiny or just discount it as Russian disinformation as the Democrats would have us believe?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-...re-11603421247

Hunter Biden’s Ex-Business Partner Alleges Father Knew About Venture

The question is, is "knowing about Hunter's deals" enough to get him impeached? I would think not. It would have to be shown that Joe Biden actually profitted from a criminal enterprise and I have no idea if what Bobulinski has said is enough to prove that.

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

Biden's 2016 return shows when he left the office of the Vice Presidency he was destitute, by the standards of most powerful politicians. Then in 2017 he made a ton of money, $10 million, from a couple of Sub-S corporations that he used for speaking engagements and books. And he did well in 2018 and 2019, but not that well. Ironically, he used Sub-S's to avoid paying the 3.8% Medicare tax. Democrats mercilessly criticize this tax avoidance technique. Anyway, I see no evidence of corruption from his tax returns. That's not to say that Hunter didn't create some foreign corporations for Dad that never saw the light of day, (think Paul Manafort) but that's far fetched.

According to Bobulinski, it isn't far fetched at all and to the idea that this is merely a simple tax matter, I'm sure Manafort and Cohen were hoping the same thing.

Most of what I know about this, besides clips on cable news, is from listening to an interview with Bobulinski on Tucker Carlson. What I heard wasn't convincing, that Joe Biden was tied into a criminal enterprise. The closest thing Bobulinski said to that was Hunter or one of his associates needed to talk to "the Big Man", and Bobulinski figured the Big Man was Joe Biden.

I'd suspect Hunter was not telling Joe about most of what he was up to, be it shady business deals, extracting money from foreigners because of the family name, using cocaine or impregnating strippers. Old Joe's pride in his son was/is misplaced.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Most of what I know about this, besides clips on cable news, is from listening to an interview with Bobulinski on Tucker Carlson. What I heard wasn't convincing, that Joe Biden was tied into a criminal enterprise. The closest thing Bobulinski said to that was Hunter or one of his associates needed to talk to "the Big Man", and Bobulinski figured the Big Man was Joe Biden.

I'd suspect Hunter was not telling Joe about most of what he was up to, be it shady business deals, extracting money from foreigners because of the family name, using cocaine or impregnating strippers. Old Joe's pride in his son was/is misplaced.

Bobulinski didn't have to "figure" it was Joe Biden because a meeting took place between Joe and Bobulinski twice according to Bobulinski. And the purpose of this meeting? So that Joe Biden could make the final decision on whether Bobulinski was the right man for the CEO job in the deal with the Chinese, because as explained by Bobulinski and can be discerned from Hunter's e-mails, Joe made all the final decisions on Hunters deals. And it sure sounds like there was a pay-off to Joe to the tune of 10 million. Why else would Joe Biden ask for a meeting with Tony Bobulinski? Bobulinski said Joe asked Bobulinski to "look out for my family" as any Don would say to somebody outside the "family".



Will this be judged to be a "criminal enterprise" or mere tax reporting mistakes,is yet to be determined.


While there is no doubt in my mind as to Joe's involvement and that it sure sounds like a criminal enterprise to me, the law could say something very different than what I believe. So criminal enterprise is still up for debate but the fact that Joe Biden knew exactly what Hunter was doing, is not up for debate and that means that Joe lied about not knowing what Hunter was doing.


Put Trump in that same situation and anybody care to tell me that Democrats wouldn't call for the impeachment of Trump?

[Yssup Rider]

Sounds like you’ve been brainwashed, HF.

When wishful thinking, supposition and unconfirmed accusations become the foundation upon which you build your truth, it’s still not truth without the proof.

It’s just another conspiracy theory

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Bobulinski didn't have to "figure" it was Joe Biden because a meeting took place between Joe and Bobulinski twice according to Bobulinski. And the purpose of this meeting? So that Joe Biden could make the final decision on whether Bobulinski was the right man for the CEO job in the deal with the Chinese, because as explained by Bobulinski and can be discerned from Hunter's e-mails, Joe made all the final decisions on Hunters deals. And it sure sounds like there was a pay-off to Joe to the tune of 10 million. Why else would Joe Biden ask for a meeting with Tony Bobulinski? Bobulinski said Joe asked Bobulinski to "look out for my family" as any Don would say to somebody outside the "family".



Will this be judged to be a "criminal enterprise" or mere tax reporting mistakes,is yet to be determined.


While there is no doubt in my mind as to Joe's involvement and that it sure sounds like a criminal enterprise to me, the law could say something very different than what I believe. So criminal enterprise is still up for debate but the fact that Joe Biden knew exactly what Hunter was doing, is not up for debate and that means that Joe lied about not knowing what Hunter was doing.


Put Trump in that same situation and anybody care to tell me that Democrats wouldn't call for the impeachment of Trump?

I read the WSJ article you linked to. You know a lot more about this than I do. Still I'm skeptical. It sounds like this occurred in 2017, after Biden had left the Vice Presidency and probably before he'd decided he'd run for President. He could do whatever he wanted to do. The deal never went through.
If it had, was the 10 million held by "H" actually for Joe Biden? Maybe Bobulinski was lying? Maybe it was for somebody else? Maybe it it was intended for Joe but Hunter was going to pocket it? Hard to say

[matchingmole]

[Strokey_McDingDong]

H I M won.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I read the WSJ article you linked to. You know a lot more about this than I do. Still I'm skeptical. It sounds like this occurred in 2017, after Biden had left the Vice Presidency and probably before he'd decided he'd run for President. He could do whatever he wanted to do. The deal never went through.


How many times did we hear in the investigation of Trump that it didn't matter if the deal went through ( thinking of hotel in Russia and Trump Tower meeting )the planning is enough to get you in trouble.And again, there are two things to consider unless we are talking about how lying to the American people is no big deal, right? Oh, but Trump lying was a big deal, right?

I just want to hear you guys on the left ( not referring to you Tiny )admit it. Just say you don't care if Biden lied about knowing what his son was doing or his brother or his sister. Just come right out and say it. You'll feel better.

If it had, was the 10 million held by "H" actually for Joe Biden?

That's why you need the combination of the laptop and testimony of Bobulinski. The laptop refers to the Big Guy and Bobulinski confirms it with his testimony, that it was Joe. Have you read many of the e-mails because they lead an undeniable trail that explains all this leaving no doubt in my mind. And does it matter if one actually gets the money from a bank robbery if the evidence says you were supposed to get the money?

Take the e-mail where Hunter orders keys for his new office and he says be sure that his dad gets a set along with the Chinese partner who could I guess end up in the office the same day the Chinese spy ( all Chinese doing business with Americans are spies ) is there. Why would Joe Biden need a set of keys to his son's office if he has no knowledge of what his son is doing and how do you take your son on Air Force Two on a trip to China and Hunter doesn't tell him he is going to make a deal while his father is negotiating for the United States? Come on man!

Maybe Bobulinski was lying?

I guess anything is possible but remember, there are two other people that also know the truth, Rob Walker and James Gilliar and surely they have been interviewed by the FBI under penalty to tell the truth. Also the fact that Bobulinski is well known in the financial industry so there will be many to vouch for his truthfulness. And how exactly does Bobulinski end up with the very same e-mails that exist on Hunter's laptop? And Bobulinski says he has turned over at least 3 phones with plenty more evidence and documents but evidence of what is the question.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8869345/More-Hunter-Biden-texts-emails-emerge-hours-debate.html


Maybe it was for somebody else? Maybe it it was intended for Joe but Hunter was going to pocket it? Hard to say

I don't think it is hard to say at all and I believe there are 3 people that told that to the FBI. It may be hard to say that was a criminal act but it is not hard to say that money was meant for Joe, the Big Guy!

Of course I could be wrong....................... but I'm not.