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Old 07-28-2020, 11:00 PM   #31
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I watched MSNBC briefly today around 1-2pm when they had a live segment with Biden talking about some environmental issues. Biden got off script and they quickly CUT THE FEED. The host said "they lost the feed." Then MSNBC went to another feed of someone else without incident.

Joe ain't gonna make it.



let's see them cut the feed during the debates.







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Old 07-28-2020, 11:02 PM   #32
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Hey, Pollyanna. You really think you're going to solve major issues that impact everybody's life and beg for honest debate on a FUCKING HOOKER BOARD???? Seriously? Get real. Save your shame until November.
Yes sir, the ladies just love white supremacists and short bus riders. In case you haven’t noticed, this is the liveliest forum on ECCIE. And the dimmest. Not a lot of hooker fucking from what I can tell.
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Old 07-28-2020, 11:05 PM   #33
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Yes sir, the ladies just love white supremacists and short bus riders. In case you haven’t noticed, this is the liveliest forum on ECCIE. And the dimmest. Not a lot of hooker fucking from what I can tell.



is it dimly lively or lively dim? yous are confusing yourself.


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Old 07-28-2020, 11:08 PM   #34
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It's going to take a hell of a lot more than a bunch of retarded cheerleaders from Special Olympics to get Trump across the goal line, no matter how much they hug each other.

Oh dear! You're such a meanie! Do you enjoy mocking the disabled?

Serge Kovaleski demands an apology.


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Old 07-28-2020, 11:18 PM   #35
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Both candidates are shit. One is just less shit to choke down than the other.
Sounds like you're suffering from Shit Derangement Syndrome!


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Old 07-28-2020, 11:41 PM   #36
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bad news libs! Biden is another Dukakis. He had a commanding lead in the polls and lost to Bush41.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...based-on-polls


Blown Democratic lead in 1988 shows Biden shouldn’t get overconfident based on polls
by Naomi Lim, Political Reporter
July 28, 2020 02:03 PM

Virtually every poll showing presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden up over President Trump in a swing state brings a version of a familiar retort: "Remember Michael Dukakis."

Biden, the two-term vice president and 36-year Delaware senator, is comfortably ahead of Trump in a slew of national and state-based polls less than 100 days before Election Day. Yet as Dukakis, the 1988 Democratic nominee and then-Massachusetts governor found out, such leads hardly guarantee a White House win.

Dukakis is a natural comparison point with Biden, having held a double-digit advantage in national polling on the GOP nominee in waiting, Vice President George H.W. Bush, during the summer of the 1988 election. Democrats are pushing the anecdote as a warning that their party shouldn't be complacent. Republicans are clutching onto it as a reminder that there are still months left in the race.

"32 years ago today: Dukakis 55 Bush 38," American Commitment president and free market advocate Phil Kerpen tweeted on Sunday.

Kerpen told the Washington Examiner that the thrust of his missive was that there's "still an eternity before the election in political terms."

Critics argue the referenced Gallup survey was a single poll conducted after the 1988 Democratic convention, where Dukakis had the crowd in raptures over his acceptance address. But Biden's in front by an average of 8.2 points, according to FiveThirtyEight. Dukakis was ahead by an average of 15.3 points around the same time.

For Claremont McKenna College politics professor John Pitney, author of After Reagan: Bush, Dukakis, and the 1988 Election, Biden could glean a lot from the tumble in polls that soon befell that year's Democratic nominee.

"Early public polls are subject to change, and that should be a cup of black coffee for the Biden campaign," Pitney said. "I can't think of any smart political ally telling a candidate, 'Hey, get cocky.' It's very prudent for a candidate to act as if the race is going the other way."

The overarching difference between the 1988 and 2020 bids, though, is that three decades ago, "the fundamentals favored the Republicans," Pitney delineated.

"You basically had peace and prosperity. In 2020, the fundamentals are very strongly working against [the] president. You have the coronavirus. You have the recession. The United States's standing across the globe isn't that great," he said. "It's hard to see how changes in the stock market will help Trump if the broader economy is still doing poorly."

Simultaneously, "there could be a miraculous cure for COVID," or "something could happen to drastically reduce unemployment," Pitney qualified.

"Biden could make a catastrophic mistake. He had to withdraw from the 1988 campaign, after all, after the plagiarism issue, which in turn triggered other revelations about his record," he said. "Even his friends would acknowledge he is prone to making mistakes."

Emerson College Polling director Spencer Kimball also defended the 1988-2020 comparison since summer margins "can swing widely" in the fall.

Kimball's 1988 take is that Bush's clandestine Iran-Contra affair involvement muddied initial polls. That scandal entailed senior Ronald Reagan administration officials selling weapons to Iran's Khomeini government despite an arms embargo.

Bush's team then started undermining Dukakis for being soft on crime around Labor Day, and that message helped propel Bush to an electoral landslide that November, Kimball explained. He pointed to the Willie Horton ad, which focused on the convicted murder felon who committed assault, armed robbery, and rape while on Massachusetts's weekend furlough program. Dukakis also faltered during the debates when pressed on whether he'd endorse the death penalty if his own wife had been raped and murdered. There was that unfortunate M1 Abrams tank photo opportunity as well.

"The tank for me is like the Howard Dean scream. It was already over — but a symbol of what went wrong," Kimball said.

Kimball advised against calling 2020 now, especially because Trump's empowered by incumbency, and it's hard being the front-runner.

Yet outlets such as the Economist have begun predicting the outcome anyway.

In its first presidential election model, the Economist calculated that Biden has a 90% chance of winning the Electoral College and a 98% shot at the popular vote. That prognosticating ignores RealClearPolitics betting averages that give Biden 60.8% odds against Trump's 36.5%.

While Dukakis isn't the only precedent, presidential historian David Pietrusza noted the same factors that hurt Dukakis could wound Biden.

"Rumors of mental health issues dogged Dukakis. Rumors of impending dementia swirl about Biden. Dukakis's gubernatorial pardon of Willie Horton raised the 'law and order' issue. With riots andcivil disorder escalating, 'law and order' may very likely become a major issue in 2020," Pietrusza wrote in an email.

He continued: "Dukakis fared poorly debating Bush. If Biden stumbles on stage (or wherever he may debate from), the fallout could prove much worse, given the rumblings of his cognitive decline."

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Dukakis in 1988. That’s a reach. The Republicans are frightened and pulling out any win they can remember. Biden isn’t Dukakis, Trump isn’t Bush. And George Floyd isn’t Willie Horton.
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let's see them cut the feed during the debates.







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SPEED wants that...IN THE WORST WAY!!
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Yes sir, the ladies just love white supremacists and short bus riders. In case you haven’t noticed, this is the liveliest forum on ECCIE. And the dimmest. Not a lot of hooker fucking from what I can tell.
What brings you here
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Dukakis in 1988. That’s a reach. The Republicans are frightened and pulling out any win they can remember. Biden isn’t Dukakis, Trump isn’t Bush. And George Floyd isn’t Willie Horton.
And you're no Einstein...
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Dukakis in 1988. That’s a reach. The Republicans are frightened and pulling out any win they can remember. Biden isn’t Dukakis, Trump isn’t Bush. And George Floyd isn’t Willie Horton.

you are frightened. this is your candidate







the best of the worst. and analyzing prior election data is a way to predict a current election. remember that Joey raised his hand to give ILLEGALS health care. he'll be walking that back before the election.
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joeys a deep state parasite no more no less , with deep ties to china
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Dukakis in 1988. That’s a reach. The Republicans are frightened and pulling out any win they can remember. Biden isn’t Dukakis, Trump isn’t Bush. And George Floyd isn’t Willie Horton.
However, 4 unarmed black kids under ten years of age getting killed in Chicago last month, in separate incidents by other black people does point to a crime problem.

Other than stricter gun control, what is Biden going to do about that - beg them not to commit more crimes when the police are on the run from enforcement and lucrative drug territories are up for grabs?

However, it is an uphill battle for Trump with the pandemic and all the hatred from the radical left.
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FF - I know you are not advocating - the DPST's plan ( announced by Beto) to confiscate Ar-15's - and God knows what all else.

It just puts illegal guns in the hands of criminals - and removes self-protection from law-abiding citizens.

DPST's are enabling gun violence and are the Enemy of Law -Abiding citizens.

They thrive on and Love their riots, looting, and Plantation Pet Violence across America they have enabled and coddle.



Let 'em come for me- if elected.

"From My Cold Dead hands"!!!!!
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FF - I know you are not advocating - the DPST's plan ( announced by Beto) to confiscate Ar-15's - and God knows what all else.

It just puts illegal guns in the hands of criminals - and removes self-protection from law-abiding citizens.

DPST's are enabling gun violence and are the Enemy of Law -Abiding citizens.

They thrive on and Love their riots, looting, and Plantation Pet Violence across America they have enabled and coddle.



Let 'em come for me- if elected.

"From My Cold Dead hands"!!!!!
Well, I don't care if someone owns an AK-47 and keeps it at their house but to carry around in public is a very bad idea.

Such a weapon, shitty as it is, requires training and discretion and most people shouldn't handle it in public.
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