The rtight to Privacy and Face Mask wearing

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Partially. The other part lies in that.. if a little piece of fabric makes people feel better-- whatever. It might help, it might not... but it helps the mentality enough to have businesses back open. Its a conditional win in my book

Well yeah, I said that in a previous post a mask provides a psychological benefit. This pandemic will, if it hasn't already bring about psychological issues for many people that will last a very long time.

[Munchmasterman]

That doesn't even make sense. No one has claimed masks "are so effective" they'll keep people from becoming infected. They help

They are more effective keeping the virus in than out. We know you don't give a shit about others


That's a good one "Mr. hard-core trumpy"
Don't pretend you don't wear a mask when you go to the store. Walmart won't let you in without one.

Originally Posted by gnadfly

If masks are so effective, why are they releasing prisoners instead of just issuing them masks? Feel free to wear a mask.

[Munchmasterman]

Masks reduce the spread of covid-19 virus when combined with other precautions.
It's political because trump made it political.
If trump had worn a mask from the get go, that and social distancing would have been as effective (IMO) as everything else he has done. Social media has spread trump BS.

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

Lets be honest-- the mask debate is more political than anything. Had this come up 20 years ago.. we'd never be having this debate. But in the age of social media-- we now have a plethora of armchair doctors and lawyers that graduated from the Facebook Academy of Law. We have a world of information at our fingertips... and on that same line-- we have a world of misinformation. It has become easier to dig in our heels rather than work together.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Munchmasterman

Masks reduce the spread of covid-19 virus when combined with other precautions.
It's political because trump made it political.
If trump had worn a mask from the get go, that and social distancing would have been as effective (IMO) as everything else he has done. Social media has spread trump BS.

Yeah, it would be a totally different world if he'd forcefully gotten behind masks around April 3, when the CDC recommended it. This was just after some of the central European countries started masking up, and they've fared much better than we have.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Yeah, it would be a totally different world if he'd forcefully gotten behind masks around April 3, when the CDC recommended it. This was just after some of the central European countries started masking up, and they've fared much better than we have.

That's inconclusive. I never wore a mask and I am not in anyway infected from Covid-19 or any virus. There's no clinical proof that wearing a mask will ward off this virus. If anything prolong wearing of a mask can render people more susceptible to airborne pathogens after they discontinue use. So once you stop wearing your mask expect to get sick to some extent.

[Grace Preston]

True.. its more anecdotal than anything.. but culturally its much more common in other countries to mask up when sick with ANYTHING...



If we don't want to believe its the masks.. fine.... but we SHOULD be looking into what is being done differently because clearly what we're doing, isn't working as well. Can't even attribute it to testing-- because we aren't #1 for testing per capita... and our infection per capita is higher than some countries with higher testing rates than we boast.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

True.. its more anecdotal than anything.. but culturally its much more common in other countries to mask up when sick with ANYTHING...



If we don't want to believe its the masks.. fine.... but we SHOULD be looking into what is being done differently because clearly what we're doing, isn't working as well. Can't even attribute it to testing-- because we aren't #1 for testing per capita... and our infection per capita is higher than some countries with higher testing rates than we boast.

Yeah, the Chinese have for many years because of the air quality. But you'll see Americans starting the Mask wearing trend even once the mandate is lifted. American Society is changing and not for the better.

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That's inconclusive. I never wore a mask and I am not in anyway infected from Covid-19 or any virus. There's no clinical proof that wearing a mask will ward off this virus. If anything prolong wearing of a mask can render people more susceptible to airborne pathogens after they discontinue use. So once you stop wearing your mask expect to get sick to some extent.

You should get out more...but that will mean getting laughed at because of your Wilbur Ross haircut

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by matchingmole

You should get out more...but that will mean getting laughed at because of your Wilbur Ross haircut

If you are permitted to leave the cellar wear something that cover your whole entire head being you're a John Merrick look alike, lol you poor fucker.

[pfunkdenver]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That's inconclusive. I never wore a mask and I am not in anyway infected from Covid-19 or any virus. There's no clinical proof that wearing a mask will ward off this virus. You are correct. Wearing a mask protects other people from you.If anything prolong wearing of a mask can render people more susceptible to airborne pathogens after they discontinue use. So once you stop wearing your mask expect to get sick to some extent. I'm pretty sure you just made this up. Got any proof?

I'm sorry, but you are not entitled to your own incorrect facts.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by pfunkdenver

I'm sorry, but you are not entitled to your own incorrect facts.

Have any clinical studies that prove me wrong? The majority of people have been wearing masks for three months yet the numbers of Cases, Hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise. I am entitled to my opinion on that because that is what I am being presented with. So if masks help we should be seeing a steady decline and we aren't. So yes they are facts.

[Munchmasterman]

You keep missing the point.
Masks don't keep you from getting the virus. They lower the chance of passing it on. Did you catch that?

Originally Posted by Levianon17

That's inconclusive. I never wore a mask and I am not in anyway infected from Covid-19 or any virus. There's no clinical proof that wearing a mask will ward off this virus. [FONT="Arial" talking unspecified pathogens
Who said there was? It isn't to keep you from getting it. It's to keep you from passing it on. [/FONT]If anything prolong wearing of a mask can render people more susceptible to airborne pathogens after they discontinue use. So once you stop wearing your mask expect to get sick to some extent.

You either have the virus or don't
The severity of your case is determined by the exact virus strain and how well your ammune system's ability to fight it off.





Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization now recommend cloth masks for the general public, but earlier in the pandemic, both organizations recommended just the opposite. These shifting guidelines may have sowed confusion among the public about the utility of masks.

But health experts say the evidence is clear that masks can help prevent the spread of COVID-19 and that the more people wearing masks, the better.

We talked to UC San Francisco epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

Why did the CDC change its guidance on wearing masks?
The original CDC guidance partly was based on what was thought to be low disease prevalence earlier in the pandemic, said Chin-Hong.

“So, of course, you’re preaching that the juice isn’t really worth the squeeze to have the whole population wear masks in the beginning – but that was really a reflection of not having enough testing, anyway,” he said. “We were getting a false sense of security.”

Rutherford was more blunt. The legitimate concern that the limited supply of surgical masks and N95 respirators should be saved for health care workers should not have prevented more nuanced messaging about the benefits of masking. “We should have told people to wear cloth masks right off the bat,” he said.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent

[Munchmasterman]

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

True.. its more anecdotal than anything.. but culturally its much more common in other countries to mask up when sick with ANYTHING...



If we don't want to believe its the masks.. fine.... but we SHOULD be looking into what is being done differently because clearly what we're doing, isn't working as well. Can't even attribute it to testing-- because we aren't #1 for testing per capita... and our infection per capita is higher than some countries with higher testing rates than we boast.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Have any clinical studies that prove me wrong? The majority of people have been wearing masks for three months yet the numbers of Cases, Hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise. I am entitled to my opinion on that because that is what I am being presented with. So if masks help we should be seeing a steady decline and we aren't. So yes they are facts.

As someone who has been out in the public working this whole time... NO, the majority of people have NOT been wearing masks.. and I'm in a fairly liberal city. The numbers of those wearing masks is even lower in more conservative corners of the country. Even now, while we're under a mandate in our county-- the % of folks wearing masks is still less than 70%

[Munchmasterman]

You are correct. You are entitled to your opinion.
Just remember it is your opinion, not a fact.

Here is info from CDC that is considered to be fact.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/41...-masks-prevent


I'm pretty sure you're wearing a mask these days since many stores require it. You can't argue with them. No mask, no entry.

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Have any clinical studies that prove me wrong? The majority of people have been wearing masks for three months yet the numbers of Cases, Hospitalizations and deaths continue to rise. I am entitled to my opinion on that because that is what I am being presented with. So if masks help we should be seeing a steady decline and we aren't. So yes they are facts.

No, it's your opinion that they are facts.

If they are facts, a link should be easy to find to back you up.

The thing is, the spikes occur where a lack of masks, a lack of social distancing and close contact occurs. Many of the early open states. Like Texas.