Let The COVID19 Run Thru The Population

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

It's not a test for Covid-19 but is most certainly a test.

What did Gadfly write in post #83? Most people already have a TEST KIT its call a thermometer.
We are talking about two different things.

The corona virus spreads faster when an infected person is in a large group of people. Which is what happened in New Rohelle, New York a suburb of New York city. An infected person went to Synagogue, infected some people and those infected people infected more people at another Synagogue meeting (or event). You can control the clusters and it something we must try to do to stop the exponential rate of infection that virus is doing right now.

Trumps treasury guy wants to pump 4 trillion into the economy. This is not the great depression. We can recover. Make it 5 Trillion if you have to. Trump is even talking about a second check. Need to flatten out the curve or else we will become like Italy. The health care system will be overwhelmed.

I do not buy the argument if it were a lot of children dying then do the social distance. If its only adults over 40,50,60 years of age, well let them get sick, and if they don't get better (from their immunity system), then too bad for them.

https://www.eccie.net/newreply.php?d...y&p=1061999866

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by SecretE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Ashton

Dr. Ashton is a TV-personality obstetrician and gynecologist.

Here are the CDC guidelines for testing...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ing/index.html

From your CDC link.

Call your doctor: If you think you have been exposed to COVID-19 and develop a fever and symptoms, such as cough or difficulty breathing, call your healthcare provider for medical advice.

Dr Jen said the same thing almost word for word when she answered the question from Muir. She did not go over the symptoms in the 25 second video. Again they were not talking about any other diseases.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Numbnuts, what was Muir's question to Dr Jen? When should you consider getting tested for CORONA VIRUS. They were not talking about seasonal flu or any other disease. So, if you have other symptoms and your temperature is < 100.4 don't consider getting tested for corona virus. In the first post infection was mentioned. When you are infected (either by virus or bacteria) one usually has symptoms. No one is trying to scare anyone. A thermometer is not a test.

Well, again Mr. Brainiac. I wasn't referring to what Dr. Jen said in your walk back of your original DemPanic.

You specifically said a fever of 100.4 would indicate COVID-19 instead of seasonal flu

Are you going to admit you were spreading bullshit??

[oeb11]

Little a is fixated on defending the mis-statement.

A patient temperature of 100.4 is a physical sign - not a diagnostic test of Wuhan corona-virus.

Many medical conditions can produce a patient temperature of 100.4.

That alone - even with documented exposure to Wuhan corona virus - does not indicated medical consultation or treatment is needed.
SecretE - thank you publishing the CDC guidelines - very helpful - hopefully folks will read and take to heart.

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

It's not a test for Covid-19 but is most certainly a test. Ask any doctor what a good first "test" is for fever and what do you suppose they will tell you? A thermometer. Nobody should be asking for a COVID-19 test without more than a fever and even then, what good is a positive test going to do other than to tell you to stay home and self isolate which you should already be doing. "Generally speaking" only those would breathing problems should be going to a hospital.



Lots of talk today from multiple sources including Trump and Gov. Coumo about how we might just have to end this "everybody stay home crap" for more than a couple of more weeks unless people under 70 start dropping dead. It might be time to do what IMHO we should have done from the beginning and concentrate on helping the elderly by making sure they were isolated form the general population and continue to isolate them.


I'm 72 and I say it's time for everybody under 65 to go back to work. Don't ruin this country for those of us over 70. I'd rather die than see this country die and that is exactly what is going to happen if we keep this up for months.

Thank you - HF - there is some sentiment that governments are over-reacting to Wuhan coronavirus - and as Trump put it - the cure must not be worse than the disease. Xi is gleeful at what we are doing to ourselves and our economy - and opening ourselves to China/Russia as a very weakened country to take advantage of.
Lt. gov. of Texas Dan Patrick has advocated back to work and deal with the virus as we do Influenza A. This Wuhan Corona virus likely has less morbidity and mortality than influenza A - It is the hysteria killing the country.

See John Ioaniddis article on the assumptions we are operating under of coronavirus.

elsewhere on the forum.

Hopefully we will sooner than later have a reasonably effective therapeutic regiment to address the virus. Vaccine is likely more than a year out , at Bet.

Thank You - HF!

[HoeHummer]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Thank you - HF - there is some sentiment that governments are over-reacting to Wuhan coronavirus - and as Trump put it - the cure must not be worse than the disease. Xi is gleeful at what we are doing to ourselves and our economy - and opening ourselves to China/Russia as a very weakened country to take advantage of.
Lt. gov. of Texas Dan Patrick has advocated back to work and deal with the virus as we do Influenza A. This Wuhan Corona virus likely has less morbidity and mortality than influenza A - It is the hysteria killing the country.

See John Ioaniddis article on the assumptions we are operating under of coronavirus.

elsewhere on the forum.

Hopefully we will sooner than later have a reasonably effective therapeutic regiment to address the virus. Vaccine is likely more than a year out , at Bet.

Thank You - HF!

What the fuck is a therapeutic REGIMENT, quacksy?

Yous seem to have found one medical article yous like and are basing your failed argument around it every days.

I bets you're a fan of Andrew Wakefield, aren't yous, quacksy?

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by HoeHummer

What the fuck is a therapeutic REGIMENT?

God you are fucking stoopid.

https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-t...ic-regimen.htm

[Jacuzzme]

Sounds like dumbfuck is harping on a typo or rogue autocomplete, makes him feel special.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

What did Gadfly write in post #83? Most people already have a TEST KIT its call a thermometer.
We are talking about two different things.

The corona virus spreads faster when an infected person is in a large group of people. Which is what happened in New Rohelle, New York a suburb of New York city. An infected person went to Synagogue, infected some people and those infected people infected more people at another Synagogue meeting (or event). You can control the clusters and it something we must try to do to stop the exponential rate of infection that virus is doing right now.

Trumps treasury guy wants to pump 4 trillion into the economy. This is not the great depression. We can recover. Make it 5 Trillion if you have to. Trump is even talking about a second check. Need to flatten out the curve or else we will become like Italy. The health care system will be overwhelmed.

I do not buy the argument if it were a lot of children dying then do the social distance. If its only adults over 40,50,60 years of age, well let them get sick, and if they don't get better (from their immunity system), then too bad for them.

https://www.eccie.net/newreply.php?d...y&p=1061999866

If this keeps up for months it will be a great depression.



If they are not dying and the experts are saying 98% will not die, then hell yes, let them get sick like 10's of thousands do every year from the flu. Isolate and quarantine the most vulnerable with secondary illnesses especially respiratory and let everybody else go back to work. Some will get sick and have to go home just like with the flue and millions and millions will show no symptoms at all and for this we have to take the chance of another great depression? You can hear it now from Governors and Mayors all over the country saying we can not do this complete shut down for months.


Yes, as with all things in life, too bad if you get this and live and if I get it I die. I'm willing to take that chance.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by eccielover

Well, again Mr. Brainiac. I wasn't referring to what Dr. Jen said in your walk back of your original DemPanic.

You specifically said a fever of 100.4 would indicate COVID-19 instead of seasonal flu

Are you going to admit you were spreading bullshit??

Was Dr Jen spreading bullshit when she answered Muir's question? I wrote the same thing she said.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

If this keeps up for months it will be a great depression.



If they are not dying and the experts are saying 98% will not die, then hell yes, let them get sick like 10's of thousands do every year from the flu. Isolate and quarantine the most vulnerable with secondary illnesses especially respiratory and let everybody else go back to work. Some will get sick and have to go home just like with the flue and millions and millions will show no symptoms at all and for this we have to take the chance of another great depression? You can hear it now from Governors and Mayors all over the country saying we can not do this complete shut down for months.


Yes, as with all things in life, too bad if you get this and live and if I get it I die. I'm willing to take that chance.

You can't put a price tag on life. Congress has a stimulus agreement for 2 Trillion. The salary for laid off workers will be covered. Small businesses will be able to get loans and reopen.
No need to have 4 million U.S. citizens die.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

Was Dr Jen spreading bullshit when she answered Muir's question? I wrote the same thing she said.

You just can't admit you were spreading DemPanic can you? She never said 100.4 would indicate. You took it there out of sheer fear.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

You can't put a price tag on life. Congress has a stimulus agreement for 2 Trillion. The salary for laid off workers will be covered. Small businesses will be able to get loans and reopen.
No need to have 4 million U.S. citizens die.

4 million? Any source for that? Or more DemPanic?

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by eccielover

You just can't admit you were spreading DemPanic can you? She never said 100.4 would indicate.

4 million? Any source for that? Or more DemPanic?

She did not use the word indicate. She did say go get tested for CORVID-19( not anything else) if your temperature is 100.4 or higher.

The death rate due to CORVID-19 varies by demographics. The WHO has calclulated it to be 2% worldwide.

If you let the Corona virus just run thru the population, it will infect about 70% of the population. The USA has 330 million people.

70% of 330 million = 231 million
2% of 231 million = 4.6 million

From the link:

That study analyzed 72,314 patient records, including some that were suspected cases. It determined that coronavirus had an “overall case fatality rate of 2.3%.” The study was called Vital Surveillances: The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) and it was conducted by the Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/02/coron...h-rate-vs-flu/

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by adav8s28

She did not use the word indicate. She did say go get tested for CORVID-19( not anything else) if your temperature is 100.4 or higher.

And yet you choose to use the word indicate. Why was that?

And again, her words were "100.4 or higher with symptoms, speak to someone about getting tested". No bullshit about running out in a panic to get tested.

Originally Posted by adav8s28

The death rate due to CORVID-19 varies by demographics. The WHO has calclulated it to be 2% worldwide.

If you let the Corona virus just run thru the population, it will infect about 70% of the population. The USA has 330 million people.

70% of 330 million = 231 million
2% of 231 million = 4.6 million

From the link:

That study analyzed 72,314 patient records, including some that were suspected cases. It determined that coronavirus had an “overall case fatality rate of 2.3%.” The study was called Vital Surveillances: The Epidemiological Characteristics of an Outbreak of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Diseases (COVID-19) and it was conducted by the Novel Coronavirus Pneumonia Emergency Response Epidemiology Team.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/02/coron...h-rate-vs-flu/

Ok, at least you didn't totally mis-represent that number.

You only took the high end of the percentage of deaths at 2%(while most estimate more toward .5-1% at the higher end) and coupled that with the high end of infections at 70%(while experts say it would be between 40-70% over a 12-18 month period) to reach your DemPanic number of 4 Million(which no right minded expert has really even alluded to).

But carry on with perpetuating your fear with that number in order to wreck the economy.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by eccielover

And yet you choose to use the word indicate. Why was that?

And again, her words were "100.4 or higher with symptoms, speak to someone about getting tested". No bullshit about running out in a panic to get tested.



Ok, at least you didn't totally mis-represent that number.

You only took the high end of the percentage of deaths at 2%(while most estimate more toward .5-1% at the higher end) and coupled that with the high end of infections at 70%(while experts say it would be between 40-70% over a 12-18 month period) to reach your DemPanic number of 4 Million(which no right minded expert has really even alluded to).

The 2% that was used came from a calculation with REAL data. It was not a projection from a computer model. Here is an expert from Harvard who said that up 70% of the population could become infected if you just let the virus go thru the population without any distancing.

It's you people on the right who want to sacrifice old people so that the DJIA can get back to 25,000 points.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ay-2020-03-02/