Is this a new thing?

[Hematoma]

Originally Posted by Gabrielle

Nope. I'm just thinking I'd have one hell of a law suit to file if a deposit is paid and a cop rapes me in the process of arrest. Then you have cops paying victims they rape?

You've always gotta look at the big picture when you own and operate a business. Ya know?

I've always been a bitch. I just knew how to play the slobbyville game exceptionally well.

Unless you've got experience sucking dick for money, your opinion on the safety level of deposits is irrelevant.

Why do men always want to insert their opinions on things they know nothing about? Just cause you attended a Steelers game doesnt mean you know shit about how to run the business. Just cause you've seen some sex workers doesn't mean you know how to suck a dick and make a career of it.

Seriously.

Deposits are the future for clients, customers, friends. Slobbyists will lose out and have to suck each others dicks.

Cause I've got some brand new news for y'all...

It's our pussy.
We own the power.

You still don't get it...after all your time here? You slander and verbally assault hobbyists, yet somehow think you're "pro-ho". Your opinion means nothing here. We are the consumers. We are the ones who pay for the service. The consumers dictate the industry supply and demand in any business...legal or illegal. If we don't like certain practices (i.e deposits) then you will lose out and we will go elsewhere where the practices are more favorable to us.

Cash is king, plain and simple. Or in your case...maybe its Newports and Ramen noodles....I really don't care.

[MorganOBM]

Originally Posted by Hematoma

You still don't get it...after all your time here? You slander and verbally assault hobbyists, yet somehow think you're "pro-ho". Your opinion means nothing here. We are the consumers. We are the ones who pay for the service. The consumers dictate the industry supply and demand in any business...legal or illegal. If we don't like certain practices (i.e deposits) then you will lose out and we will go elsewhere where the practices are more favorable to us.

Cash is king, plain and simple. Or in your case...maybe its Newports and Ramen noodles....I really don't care.

I love ramen, why does it have to be so bad for you?

Deposits have their place H, if a provider of your exact type with a stellar reputation was visiting and wanted a $50 deposit to hold your spot I think most would grab a Visa gift card. What many ladies are trying to say is it’s expensive to travel and the cancellation rate in Pittsburgh has always been notoriously high so if you are serious about meeting it shouldn’t be an issue. It would actually improve your selection and work in the hobbyist’s favor. If a random girl online wants a gift card it’s most likely a scam and you should run. Apples and oranges.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by MorganOBM

Who is over the hill charging GPS rates? Btw, I don’t charge deposits unless it’s a 3 hour or more appointment, which happens pretty frequently. I’ve done 3 FMTY appointments in the past month requiring a 25% deposit up front plus travel expenses. They were all very pleased. I’m happy you are pleased with traveling to Florida. We all should do what makes us happy. There are many scams out there, especially on the most discussed sites here. I wouldn’t front money to the large majority of providers either, but I’m smart enough to do my research. So are my clients. I’m confused why this is even a subject here. If a girl from SA wants a gift card to meet, you aren’t seeing it again, but if a class act like Lexxxy wants one you’l never lose it. Calm down everyone. Life is short, do what you are comfortable with and stop crying.

Well lets see - you previously wrote "Always consider your audience Lexxxy, in this crowd $25 is half the rate of the 18yo running straight to her prohibited subject supplier after receiving it and probably never hearing from them again." so I guess your new response is an improvement in civility

With respect to this new response:

1. Who is over the hill charging GPS rates? No need to name names here, that would be rude but the guys here know who they are

2. If you don't charge deposits for less than a 3 hour appointment - then not sure why this subject was upsetting to you. We were discussing deposits for typical appointments most of which are 30 or 60 minutes. At least you recognize charging deposits for those type of appointments is not a wise business decision

3. As to your 3 FMTY appointments in the past month requiring a 25% deposit up front plus travel expenses - again totally different scenario. When someone flys a provider to them - the scenario and time and expenses involved are way different than a typical appointment most guys on this board have. These type of special situations are unique and don't fit within the confines of what was being discussed

4. "I wouldn’t front money to the large majority of providers either" - Good to see you have come around to the guys opinion on this. Except most guys won't front money to any provider(again talking typical appointments). Makes zero sense to. A fool and his money are soon parted.

5. Based on her responses here, and false statements and accusations, Lexxy certainly doesn't present herself her as a class act

6. This is a subject here because someone asked a question about it, others chimed in with what they have been seeing, their thoughts, etc. You know, like a message board works.

7. No guy is crying here - we are stating the reality. Paying upfront (again talking typical appointments) is not wise and a good way to get ripped off / scammed

[bambino]

Hookers used to pay me a deposit for me to show up. Yeah, that’s the ticket!!!!!!

[MorganOBM]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Well lets see - you previously wrote "Always consider your audience Lexxxy, in this crowd $25 is half the rate of the 18yo running straight to her prohibited subject supplier after receiving it and probably never hearing from them again." so I guess your new response is an improvement in civility

With respect to this new response:

1. Who is over the hill charging GPS rates? No need to name names here, that would be rude but the guys here know who they are

2. If you don't charge deposits for less than a 3 hour appointment - then not sure why this subject was upsetting to you. We were discussing deposits for typical appointments most of which are 30 or 60 minutes. At least you recognize charging deposits for those type of appointments is not a wise business decision

3. As to your 3 FMTY appointments in the past month requiring a 25% deposit up front plus travel expenses - again totally different scenario. When someone flys a provider to them - the scenario and time and expenses involved are way different than a typical appointment most guys on this board have. These type of special situations are unique and don't fit within the confines of what was being discussed

4. "I wouldn’t front money to the large majority of providers either" - Good to see you have come around to the guys opinion on this. Except most guys won't front money to any provider(again talking typical appointments). Makes zero sense to. A fool and his money are soon parted.

5. Based on her responses here, and false statements and accusations, Lexxy certainly doesn't present herself her as a class act

6. This is a subject here because someone asked a question about it, others chimed in with what they have been seeing, their thoughts, etc. You know, like a message board works.

7. No guy is crying here - we are stating the reality. Paying upfront (again talking typical appointments) is not wise and a good way to get ripped off / scammed

Lol, of course they did Bam.

1) One guy’s over the hill is another’s experienced. I can say after the years I’ve been around I am a WAAAAAY better provider than I was when I started. Like not even a comparison. I look better, feel better and I’m more professional and still love it every bit as I did the first time, probably more.

2) I would absolutely charge deposits if I toured exclusively for this business. I travel for my regular life job and have fun on the side. My regular job unfortunately can be unpredictable if a meeting runs over etc (I do let clients know this before scheduling) and I don’t want the responsibility of returning deposits. A serious client has no issues sending a deposit. I turn down deposits all the time after I complete screening. I wouldn’t travel to a city and just hope people show up. This isn’t my situation, but I’m sure I’d be fine if I did. My average appointment is 90 minutes, I don’t have hh rates. Nothing against them, just don’t want that much traffic.

3) I don’t have any additional expenses when someone flies me to them than a touring provider would have, save advertising. A ticket and room can easily total 1K. No one wants to lose that with clients who aren’t serious.

4) I would all day long to an established provider that was requesting a $50 deposit. I wouldn’t to a random girl on SA. It’s just common sense.

5) She provides amazing, consistent services with wonderful reviews. She has a safe, clean incall and is reliable. She had to cancel a tour due to the weather and promptly apologized and refunded deposits. That’s class, sir.

6) It’s common sense. I get dumb scam emails all the time.

7) Many pay deposits to see the women they want. There are so many complaints here about the low quality in Pittsburgh. You do realize many do not have the extra time to fly to Florida to hobby. You would need to take time off from work, buy a ticket and a hotel. It’s much cheaper to see 2 touring providers at $350-$400. I’d rather be in Florida as well, but don’t forget most can’t explain away the time. You’d have a much better selection of providers if you were better clients. I wouldn’t prepay either. We are talking deposits and good providers are getting them all day long. I explained my reasons for not wanting/requiring them above.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by MorganOBM

Lol, of course they did Bam.

1) One guy’s over the hill is another’s experienced. I can say after the years I’ve been around I am a WAAAAAY better provider than I was when I started. Like not even a comparison. I look better, feel better and I’m more professional and still love it every bit as I did the first time, probably more.

2) I would absolutely charge deposits if I toured exclusively for this business. I travel for my regular life job and have fun on the side. My regular job unfortunately can be unpredictable if a meeting runs over etc (I do let clients know this before scheduling) and I don’t want the responsibility of returning deposits. A serious client has no issues sending a deposit. I turn down deposits all the time after I complete screening. I wouldn’t travel to a city and just hope people show up. This isn’t my situation, but I’m sure I’d be fine if I did. My average appointment is 90 minutes, I don’t have hh rates. Nothing against them, just don’t want that much traffic.

3) I don’t have any additional expenses when someone flies me to them than a touring provider would have, save advertising. A ticket and room can easily total 1K. No one wants to lose that with clients who aren’t serious.

4) I would all day long to an established provider that was requesting a $50 deposit. I wouldn’t to a random girl on SA. It’s just common sense.

5) She provides amazing, consistent services with wonderful reviews. She has a safe, clean incall and is reliable. She had to cancel a tour due to the weather and promptly apologized and refunded deposits. That’s class, sir.

6) It’s common sense. I get dumb scam emails all the time.

7) Many pay deposits to see the women they want. There are so many complaints here about the low quality in Pittsburgh. You do realize many do not have the extra time to fly to Florida to hobby. You would need to take time off from work, buy a ticket and a hotel. It’s much cheaper to see 2 touring providers at $350-$400. I’d rather be in Florida as well, but don’t forget most can’t explain away the time. You’d have a much better selection of providers if you were better clients. I wouldn’t prepay either. We are talking deposits and good providers are getting them all day long. I explained my reasons for not wanting/requiring them above.

Not going to respond to every item but I will say this:

4. And as noted on this thread, the vast majority of guys would not pay that deposit. You can be ripped off by an established provider (hello Jesse) just as easy as a girl on SA.

5. She also posts false and misleading statements - all you have to do is look at post 37 on this thread - That is ZERO class maam. https://eccie.net/showpost.php?p=106...0&postcount=37

7. Ummm no many do not pay deposits to see the women they want. That is evidenced by the comments on this thread. As to Florida - you are correct, not everyone can afford to take time off and go there. I fortunately can. And I go for 2 to 4 weeks at a time when I do. And one can find a wide array of great providers there who charge a reasonable rate - typically 200 an hour, unlike the 300-350 rates here from providers not in their same class. And not a single one has ever asked for a deposit. But while Florida works for me, guys don't have to go to Florida. They can avail themselves of tremendous options just across the border in Canada. Take a weekend trip to Niagara Falls and see girls from one of several reputable services there for $200 an hour Canadian - which given the exchange rate today equates to just $150 US for the hour with some smoking hot talent - and zero deposits needed. Here is one agency for example: http://www.diamondsescorts.ca/escorts.html
So a guy can drive up and spend a weekend in Niagara Falls, and have a hell of a lot of fun with some tremendous looking women at a very reasonable cost.

[Jacuzzme]

To your point #5: WTF is she even talking about? It’s not taking advantage of young desperate girls when they’re advertising for clients. Sounds like she’s aging bitterly.

[MorganOBM]

The replies on Eccie most certainly do not give an accurate view of the current hobby climate, not even close. The large majority of clients do not blink an eye when asked for a deposit if you are obviously a legitimate provider. I remember the Jessi situation well, but that wasn’t deposits.... that was prepaying thousands. No legitimate provider is going to retire from a trip of $50 deposits lmao. In places like Florida and LA there are an abundance of girls at low rates. I still get fully booked in those areas. Clients can afford to go to FL financially, they just can’t afford the time away from work or be able to explain the time away. The last 2 FMTYs I’ve done were during the day when they could pretend to be at work. One had to leave 3 hours early because of a home situation/suspicion. Time is more precious than money to many. It sounds like you are going to Florida to enjoy the beaches and having fun on the side. I travel for my regular job and have fun on the side. Neither are typical scenarios. It’s cheaper to see a girl here in Pittsburgh at a higher rate than it is to travel to Florida, and if guys didn’t cancel so much you’d have a much better selection of touring girls. It’s one of those quit complaining and do something about it scenarios.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

To your point #5: WTF is she even talking about? It’s not taking advantage of young desperate girls when they’re advertising for clients. Sounds like she’s aging bitterly.

Exactly. She was so off base and inaccurate it is not even funny. And when she was called out on it, she tucked tail and ran rather than admitting she was wrong and should have never posted that. Definitely not the sign of someone classy

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by MorganOBM

The replies on Eccie most certainly do not give an accurate view of the current hobby climate, not even close. The large majority of clients do not blink an eye when asked for a deposit if you are obviously a legitimate provider. I remember the Jessi situation well, but that wasn’t deposits.... that was prepaying thousands. No legitimate provider is going to retire from a trip of $50 deposits lmao. In places like Florida and LA there are an abundance of girls at low rates. I still get fully booked in those areas. Clients can afford to go to FL financially, they just can’t afford the time away from work or be able to explain the time away. The last 2 FMTYs I’ve done were during the day when they could pretend to be at work. One had to leave 3 hours early because of a home situation/suspicion. Time is more precious than money to many. It sounds like you are going to Florida to enjoy the beaches and having fun on the side. I travel for my regular job and have fun on the side. Neither are typical scenarios. It’s cheaper to see a girl here in Pittsburgh at a higher rate than it is to travel to Florida, and if guys didn’t cancel so much you’d have a much better selection of touring girls. It’s one of those quit complaining and do something about it scenarios.

The replies on ECCIE do give an accurate view of the current PITTSBURGH hobby climate as it comes to seeing providers locally. Shoot, you yourself said you don't charge deposits for less than a 3 hour appointment.

I think you are trying to view this thru a different global lens as you travel rather than the typical local visit. Traveling involves a different set of circumstances. That is why you later said "I would absolutely charge deposits if I toured exclusively for this business". I have no doubt some guys in different areas of the country may be willing to pay deposits to attract/bring a visiting provider to their area. And I am sure you can find a few guys in Pittsburgh may do that as well. But the majority of guys in Pittsburgh don't. That is probably why you don't see a ton of visitors who demand deposits coming to this area.

That said, there are some good visitors who come to Pittsburgh on occasion. When I do hobby in Pittsburgh, visitors are the ones I usually see these days and I can tell you I have never been asked for a deposit let alone paid one.

As to your last point about cancelling on a visitor, we do agree there. Guys should not no show or cancel on a visitor, especially one you may have booked with a week or more in advance. I always assume if you pre-book, you need to follow through because she is making plans based on the amount of interest she has received. I have never no showed anyone in my life (can't say the same for a couple providers who no showed me). And on the very rare occasion I have had to cancel, I have done so at least a few days in advance.

[Sickman68]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Exactly. She was so off base and inaccurate it is not even funny. And when she was called out on it, she tucked tail and ran rather than admitting she was wrong and should have never posted that. Definitely not the sign of someone classy

You know what else is inaccurate about her?

[JimmiBucco]

[QUOTE They can avail themselves of tremendous options just across the border in Canada. Take a weekend trip to Niagara Falls and see girls from one of several reputable services there for $200 an hour Canadian - which given the exchange rate today equates to just $150 US for the hour with some smoking hot talent - and zero deposits needed. Here is one agency for example: http://www.diamondsescorts.ca/escorts.html
So a guy can drive up and spend a weekend in Niagara Falls, and have a hell of a lot of fun with some tremendous looking women at a very reasonable cost.[/QUOTE]


I agree, and it's only about 5 hour drive. I plan on making quite a few trips this year. I'll probably ride my bike up a few times. I hear it's a nice ride if you take the byways.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Sickman68

You know what else is inaccurate about her?

Tell us, inquiring minds want to know!

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by bambino

Tell us, inquiring minds want to know!

Indeed !!!

[MorganOBM]

She’s a great provider who has absolutely zero history of giving anything but on time, good service. If you didn’t like one of her posts, that does not change the fact that she's a class act provider.

I love how you tell me what being a provider in Pittsburgh is like. I can assure you sir, I have forgot more about this subject than you’ll ever know. I would absolutely not tour to Pittsburgh under normal circumstances and just FYI I live almost 2 hours away so technically I do tour Pittsburgh.... but I have a great amount of regular, high class clients I’ve been seeing since I started which makes it worthwhile. I get offered deposits all of the time, as a matter of fact I just turned down someone’s very well screened offer to completely prepay. Eccie is a look into the darker side of the hobby in Pittsburgh, not a representation of the whole. That being said, Pittsburgh has a terrible reputation for cancellations on touring ladies and guys having an attitude, so you all did it to yourselves. You do know the bros before hos mentality that everyone thinks is so cool here is the exact reason you have to drive/fly to see providers, right? Wouldn’t it be nice to just schedule someone you’d love to see 20 minutes from your house? I’ve heard of hooker math but this client math that traveling 5 hours each way to see a $200 provider actually works out to save money cracks me up. I’ll coin this phrase bro math. Factoring in the time you could be making money and the expenses of traveling you aren’t saving money. Yes, it’s great if you like to travel....so do I. It doesn’t make more sense than just being a decent group and actually treating touring ladies with the same respect you would like.