This is some fucked up ish here.

[IIFFOFRDB]

You definitely need to read the links on this one! All the way back to Trayvon.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...gical-intents/

School Shooting Was Outcome of Broward County School Board Policy – Now Local and National Politicians Weaponize Kids for Ideological Intents…

Posted on February 19, 2018 by sundance

CTH has intentionally stayed away from discussion of the Parkland school shooting as we watched and reviewed the response. However, it’s time to call the Broward School Board officials to task and simultaneously prepare the class-action lawyers to cripple the system.

Broward County schools intentionally created polices from 2010 through 2016 that culminated in the 2018 mass school shooting in Parkland. We know this with great specificity because five years ago we warned Broward County Florida school board members this could happen.



In 2012 and 2013 while doing research into the Trayvon Martin shooting we discovered an alarming set of school policies being enacted in Miami-Dade and Broward County Florida. The policies were called “diversionary programs” and were essentially about stopping High School students from being arrested. Law enforcement was instructed to avoid arrests and defer criminal conduct to school administrators.

Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system. County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students.

[dilbert firestorm]

wow... those local officials should be running for cover.

de Jesus Cruz would have been placed in juvenile detention and got the help he needed.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

The 0zombie King caused this murderous rampage.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...n/#more-146034

I heard on today's evening news, they mentioned that CPS went to his house while he was 15-16, and noticed mental neglect, depression, adhd and autism in him..
AND That's on top of him making videos where he cuts himself.

SO WHY WAS HE not already institutionalized??

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

You definitely need to read the links on this one! All the way back to Trayvon.

That was scary as hell.. AND WHY HAS NO news outlet ran it i wonder?

[LexusLover]

And the Witch Hunt begins.

[rexdutchman]

socialist liberals strike again , and PS the media is going to have a tuff time handling all the fuck ups with this incident

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

And the Witch Hunt begins.

When you have so many turds, who screwed the pooch to allow this to happen, its not a witch hunt though.

[rexdutchman]

Just another real world example of why gov.com is unable to keep people safe , all the laws in the world will not stop 1 motivated lowlife piece of crap

[grean]

"Law enforcement was instructed to avoid arrests and defer criminal conduct to school administrators.

Students who engaged in violence, drug sales, robberies, burglaries, theft and other various crimes were intentionally kept out of the criminal justice system. County administrators and School Superintendents told local and county law enforcement officers to stop arresting students."



I have my doubts about that. In fact, I gotta call BS.


The victims of those crimes most certainly at least most of the time would want charges made. Seriously doubt the police could say, "We are going to asked the school to give the offender detention for robbing you." That just would not fly.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by garhkal

I heard on today's evening news, they mentioned that CPS went to his house while he was 15-16, and noticed mental neglect, depression, adhd and autism in him..
AND That's on top of him making videos where he cuts himself.

SO WHY WAS HE not already institutionalized??

Sounds oh so easy. Do you have any idea how many people--many of them teens--have a combination of ADHA, some aspect(s) of autism, and harm themselves in some way?

A lot, sadly.

And WHO do you suggest do something about it? 25 years ago we "saved" huge amounts of money by deciding there was no need/desire to institutionalize people "because they might do something". Over the past two decades we have systematically cut manning and budgets that would do these things.

When we DO institutionalize someone, we certainly do NOT provide the care/treatment that will cure them. There is no staff, and there are no funds--the typical "treatment" is drugs that keep them docile and that is about it.

"SO WHY WAS HE not already institutionalized??"

Because this is a hard problem, a problem that doesn't neatly fit a DEM or REP platitude or election slogan. So the serious discussions never happened, the funds were cut, and in this case the Libertarian mindset of "leave them alone, you can't preemptively restrain them" was seen as a great way to cut budgets and save $$$.

Who decides when an autistic/ADHD kid gets locked up though he/she has done nothing? Who decides when a post crosses the line from being a rebellious teen posting a picture of a gun to a dangerous person who should be preempted? I don't know, though I agree with you that in this case he probably should have been.

The one part that does seem clear, is these guns should not have been in his hands. If it was not legal, then there were some screw-ups that need to be addressed. If it was legal--as much of the reporting seems to say--the laws need some fixing.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

The one part that does seem clear, is these guns should not have been in his hands. If it was not legal, then there were some screw-ups that need to be addressed. If it was legal--as much of the reporting seems to say--the laws need some fixing.

How many of the young people being gunned down in Chicago were killed with a firearms that was "legally" acquired by the shooter?

And Chicago/Illinois have some stringent laws regarding firearms.

Look at all the other shit that is "against the law to possess"!

IMO the Liberals don't want to pay the price of going after the individuals, because they individuals can vote. "Guns" can't vote! And again IMO one reason they want to grant citizenship/"amnesty"! NOW to all these illegal aliens in this country is for the votes! It's politics. Take their smoking guns away and give them ________________ to puff on!

[Old-T]

What of that has anything to do with my point?

[grean]

Originally Posted by Old-T

What of that has anything to do with my point?

What is your point?

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Old-T

What of that has anything to do with my point?

You mean the one on your head?

You're whining, like "everyone else," about "guns not being in his hands" .... or was there some other reason you mentioned ...

"...these guns should not have been in his hands."

So what? They were. And if someone else comes along and is hell-bent on slaughtering unarmed, unprotected people like wounded ducks on a pond and they want a firearm to do it ....

they'll get one or two ... JUST LIKE THEY DO IN CHICAGO/ILLINOIS!

That's what it has to do with your .... tripe.

Aren't you the one who consults cameramen in DC?

Ask them! They'll KNOW!

BTW: Do you fly much? Do you enter GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS?

Show up with your AR-15 and ..... this ain't "space science"!

Columbine was almost 20 years ago .... where were you genius? Chatting with DC camera crews?

[Old-T]

Well, you certainly have some anger issues here. You seem to be truly upset to the point of irrationality, and your repressed hostility is interfering with your ability to hold a civil conversation. Not that you probably care. You have decided that since I disagreed with you in the past, or since I had knowledge that you didn't, or for some other absurd little reason, that any post I make you need to throw a tantrum about. I almost feel sorry for you--it must be a miserable way to live.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You're whining, like "everyone else," about "guns not being in his hands" .... or was there some other reason you mentioned ...
Why yes, I think he should not have had them. I didn't realize I was so indirect about that.


So what? They were. And if someone else comes along and is hell-bent on slaughtering unarmed, unprotected people like wounded ducks on a pond and they want a firearm to do it ....
So you think it is peachy-keen to shoot up innocent people. Well good for you.

they'll get one or two ... JUST LIKE THEY DO IN CHICAGO/ILLINOIS!
So in your strange mind since there is one wrong out there, then we should throw up our hands and quit trying to fix other wrongs. What an amazingly stupid way to go through life. Last I looked this didn't happen in Chicago, but since you seem content with dead bodies in FL, IL, or elsewhere, then let's not even discuss changing anything.

That's what it has to do with your .... tripe.
Nope. It is how you view the world--through some very angry lenses.

Aren't you the one who consults cameramen in DC?

Ask them! They'll KNOW!
More of your years-old anger showing through. I'm still not quite sure what the cause is. Maybe because you feel hurt that "ordinary" people like camera men don't talk with you? I don't know, but why else do you feel obliged to ridicule camera men?

Or, more likely, it is because those people had an OPINION (something you do not seem very eager to allow others to have) that put one of your beloved RWWs in a bad light? You certainly never explained any other reason for your unjustified anger or ridicule of them.

BTW: Do you fly much? Do you enter GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS?
Why yes, I do. Why do you ask?

Show up with your AR-15 and ..... this ain't "space science"!
Oh, I see! You are going to make a wonderful comparison! How amazingly simpleminded of you. That's right, scan everyone for weapons on the way in. Clever--I am sure no one else ever thought of THAT!!

And of course no one would then call in a bomb threat or do something else to evacuate the building while shooting them from across the street, outside the metal detectors. Oh, did I say "never"? My bad, that has already been thought of. But then you will just move the metal detector perimeter farther out--let's say 2 miles. Right.


Columbine was almost 20 years ago .... where were you genius? Chatting with DC camera crews?

That is the kind of idiotic comment I would expect from someone who has essentially nothing to contribute to an actual discussion of a serious topics--you know, like a discussion about how to stop school kids from being butchered--because YOU had your feelings hurt years ago.

You so far have supported giving 18 y/os with lots of red flags weapons.

You have insinuated a "solution" that would allow such a person to shoot students so long as he does it from outside the school building.

That same solution accommodates a mentally deficient teen shooting people outside of a school setting (since in your mind there the opinion that such a person should not have guns if heinous).

Good for you. That is just awesome.

By the way--in case you missed the incongruity of your stupid post: you imply there should be changes to scan for weapons before entering schools--or at least that is what I think you implied by your AR-15 onto a plane. That would require some funding/policy/local legislation changes in many areas. But then how is that different from what I said: "If it was not legal, then there were some screw-ups that need to be addressed. If it was legal--as much of the reporting seems to say--the laws need some fixing."

If your objection is to the single word "laws", then you could have said so and we could have discussed whether laws, regulations, policies, memos, etc., was the right word. But no, you give no indication that you care about the actual topic, you are too upset at the possibility that a camera man might have a different perspective on one of your heroes than you do.

But hold onto your guns--that I never said should be taken away from you. Curl up at night with them, and maybe that will assuage your anger, who knows.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by grean

What is your point?

I actually made several, but it seems the one that LL lost his marbles about was this one, or actually three:

"1. The one part that does seem clear, is these guns should not have been in his hands. 2. If it was not legal, then there were some screw-ups that need to be addressed. 3. If it was legal--as much of the reporting seems to say--the laws need some fixing."