ASPD and Newbies

[tinyisgreat]

Originally Posted by Exotic Yazmin DDD

When I see post like this, I have to wonder if a hobbyist realizes how much expense an upscale provider incurs. This is not a poor man (or girls) hobby. You gotta pay to play. It cost a provider in a hotel incall about $150 (min) a day to be a decent provider when you factor in hotels, hair, makeup, nails, waxing, tanning, costumes, parking, shoes, condoms, lube, toys, uber/gas,wine/drinks/snacks for client, toiletries for the clients in the incall, etc.
All of the girls rates are listed. Read them and see the ones that fit YOUR budget/don't see that don't. Complaining about rates increasing since 8 years ago and what price a girl puts on HER OWN body and services is both ineffective and quite frankly a HUGE turn off. Just simply don't see them if you don't like their rates. Many women keep their rates high to weed out a certain element of client, just sayin

Just days ago, you were complaining about the ladies not responding to you. I doubt another complaint thread (especially one crying about how providers price their bodies or services) is going to send them running to reply any faster.


I'd hope YOU aren't still working for the wage you were 8 years ago!!

yazmin first of all ill admit i am a frugal old guy but i think i see both ends

150 hr lets a guy enjoy 2 lovely ladies with 300 budget whether that be a day a week a month or a year. better for him

300 hr lets a provider only need to see half as many guys to make about the same $ or see same amt of guys and make about twice as much.

that being said if a girl can command 1000 an hour good for her.

if another girl feels comfortable at 100 an hour good for her.

as consumers part of our feelings of value comes with price. ie an average looking woman with ok skills might be fine at 80 but not at 250.

a great looking woman at 200 might if within budget be preferred over an unattractive girl at 150. we all assign value to everything , food , housing, entertainment etc.

with that being said i find it interesting that u have no problem telling men who are within a lower $ budget how unapppealing that is but yet have no problem posting ads for specials for last minute qv / hh visits in a city which is obviously aimed at exactlty the men who u chastise.

it is simply u making a business decision that you wanna make another quick 75 , 100, 200 before you leave as u probably were not as busy as u liked. the same gentleman that jump at the offer of discounted pussy perhaps would have booked at regular rate if rate was more in tune with what they felt ur value was whether from looks body performance location standpoints.

price will always be an issue between buyer and seller. go to buy a house or car. everyone wants to pay the least and sell for the most. that being said both buyer and seller should treat each other with respect and if the finances dont mesh agree to go different directions

i wish i had an unlimited budget i simply dont. while there are traveling girls id love to experience that are 300 / 400 i simply cannot afford to . my budget for the hobby is about 100/200 a month hence i probably get to hobby about once a month. while variety is the spice of life when u may only get to do this once a month i now find myself gravitating to a provider that i KNOW does it for me rather than taking chances


i feel it sometimes amusing how a girl that has a body or skills that do not rank high with a certain segment of men have no problem for asking a high end rate as hey its only business but when a comment about her rate compared to others is presented its harsh and mean not just business

as i get older i find to me i prefer to stay within my means but search for women i can afford but genuinly enjoy spending time with and that often means i must pass on a few hdh i would love to enjoy

[tinyisgreat]

Originally Posted by Tx4life

So many of y’all missing the point, thanks for those that share my sediments. Again look around and read the welcome wagon and you will see what I’m talking about. And as for Yazmin you are one of the providers that provides reasonable rates when you run specials and even when you don’t. Not sure why you felt you need to attack me and call me cheap

tx4 you seem in many ways to be a man not unlike me. if i may i do have 1 problem though.

as u obviously enjoy a nice woman but cannot or will not spend to the upper limits , on the occasion u find someone who is a pleasant experience , looks good, is nice gives great service and value u have to share.

if in fact women like u like in a price u can justify exist when u find them u must share the.

if u believe u should be able to experience what u want for 100-200 range when u find them if u r happy u owe it to the provider and hobbiests alike to pass on the info

u have been on this board for 7 yrs and have only done 1 review. if in fact u want a precense of this type of provider u must assist in the process or if u choose not to perhaps not complain.

those girls who's business model dictates lower prices probably cannot offer the low rate service while spending much on advertizing and promotion. i good review and or reccomendation goes a long ways to keeping her avail and probably solidifies ur standing w her.

[tinyisgreat]

Originally Posted by Xesaddict

I was not an ASPD member, so I cannot comment on differences between the two websites. I would like to make a few observations about some of the OP and other poster’s statements here.

First, trying to tie the increase in provider’s rates to inflation is off base. Based upon the Consumer Price Index the inflation rate from 2010 until the end of 2017 is roughly 13%. I was playing in 2010 and paying a high quality provider $150.00 an hour per session. If a provider tied her rate to the inflation rate the same provider whose rate was $150.00 in 2010 would have a rate today of about $170.00. A far cry from the $300.00 per hour the OP made reference to.

Yazmin’s statement about keeping her rates high to “weed out a certain element of client” is interesting. I agree this is not a poor man’s hobby, but neither is it exclusively a rich man’s hobby, so exactly who is she trying to “weed out”? Is she only referring to the poor unwashed who see no point in paying more for the same service, or even better service, he can get for less? I agree she can set a rate for HER OWN body. I do agree with the OP, though, that the current crop of providers are posting rates that are unreasonable relative to the quality of the services provided. That seems to be an accurate accessment on part of the OP when you consider there are a number of high quality providers who still have their rates set between $200.00 and $250.00 per hour. You have my empathy, Tx4Life, and you need not STFU. I believe these various forums are supposed to be available for an exchange of viewpoints and ideas, so let it out, brother.

one of the few intelligent fact based comments i have read on this board in a long time. u seem to understand the issue from both sides of the fence and that is refreshing

[tinyisgreat]

Originally Posted by Dr Grey

I lady making only two appointments a day at 250 an hour taking all weekends off can make up towards 6 figures a year. What exactly are girls spending their money on that requires 300 or more an hour? It's not hotels. There's nothing cheap about 200 to 250 an hour for us guys. Just that 300 or more is very expensive, especially on a weekly basis. 98 percent of the guys can't afford that. Guys incomes haven't changed much either in ten years. So to pay twice as much is a bit rough, can't see girls expenses getting that much higher as those costs haven't changed. That's just talking hourly, we know multi hour sessions and overnights still happen.

Girls can set their rates at whatever they want. Guys are desparate enough to pay it, nothing we can do but maybe skip an appointment or two if we want to see one girl. Only ones this price structure weeds out is more ladies as not enough money to go around on regular basis. I agree with the OP and sex addict here. Like TX, luckily there's a lot of girls that stick to 200 to 250 for the hour. I just stick to what works for myself and budget.

another guy that gets it.

[Altbier]

Could increased prices simply be a matter of dramatically increased demand? I posit that there are many more guys who know how to use internet sites to hook up with providers than there were 10 years ago.

[Dr Grey]

Originally Posted by Altbier

Could increased prices simply be a matter of dramatically increased demand? I posit that there are many more guys who know how to use internet sites to hook up with providers than there were 10 years ago.

That might be part of it. But like I said, guys just pay it. Whether they can afford it or not. We still had a lot of guys on aspd though. It's a combo of demand, asshats causing issues, and whatever. But mostly dudes just shelling out money more than the other.

My theory aside from guys just willing to pay, is that if experienced girls are at the same price, they will likely get the session as opposed to a newb with no reviews. A girl that's new at 300 likely won't get the repeat business and have more buyers remorse. Seems to me why so many new girls never get established. They come and go, hence our very small pond here. The concept of starting at 200 to 250 and raising once you have regulars seems to have gone by the wayside. They just start at 300 or more and hope for the best. Least we really don't see that anymore.

[SA Angel]

Guys...

Vote with your wallets, if a lady's rate is too high for the value of of her service she will not succeed. She will either lower her rate because she isn't making money or leave altogether because she doesn't like the work and gets a civvie job. No one should be an escort of they aren't enjoying themselves.

Some of ya'll descend on new girls like savages and they get scared off after a couple weeks of fending off BBFS attempts, guys overstaying even after multiple hints to leave, and sex that isn't very fun because some of you are convinced you are God's gift to the clit and won't take directions or can't read body language at all.

I bring that up because someone else in this thread blamed the prices for new girls not sticking around but I believe hobbyist behavior is just as much blame.

If the girl is having a good time during her appointments but not booking as many as she would like she is more likely to lower her rates than just quit altogether.

If you find a wonderful girl at a rate that you think is reasonable then by all means review her or spread the word of mouth. Keep her busy so she will stick around and tell her how to avoid the guys that will make her want to leave the hobby world.

[Dr Grey]

I did bring up asshats and bad behavior as part of it. And yes, that scares off girls just as quick. The amount of raw dogging going on is insane, and many people do it. Many. The ones openly advertising offer it for 300 or more, so it's not a cheap activity, and may end up costly if you catch something. But people offer it to their trustworthy clients, people they have connections with, or whatever random reason there is to do it in the hobby.

Others may also quit as opposed to lower their rates also when they hear the stories, not necessarily the offers they get in their inbox. Probably think, oh well that's it for me. If I lower my rates I'm gonna get these "bad guys" they are intimidated about. When really, there are many good guys are just waiting here for more girls within a reasonable range (200 to 250 isn't cheap) as a lot of us don't like to negotiate or pay premium prices for an hour of time.

Believe me, there are bad guys in the high rate spectrum too. Once a guy offered 3 grand to fly a lady to Dallas for a bbfs session. He made her dns list but still, point is there's bad guys everywhere. It's an escort board. Bbfs shouldn't be a determining factor of having to put rates higher, people do it anyways.

[Xesaddict]

I really like what Tiny had to say about how most providers respond and react to posts regarding rates. When providers discuss their rates it is nearly always couched it terms describing their pricing as a business decision, but when they respond to posts about rates being too high they change the narrative from strictly business and accuse the poster and mongers in general as being mean or harsh. What I would like for providers to understand is what hobbyists are trying to convey to you in these rate threads, and that is your rate structure is pricing more men out of the hobby or driving them to providers with a more reasonable rate structure. Eventually this will greatly reduce your potential client base and in the long run not be positive for your business plan. In short, it is not personal, it is only business, so quit being personally reactive and take it as constructive input. If you want a mean and harsh observation about your GPS rates I will give you one. Far too many providers, particularly younger ones, are greedy and lazy, and only want to do less and get more in return. That’s why they turned to working as a pro in the first place: what they perceive as EASY MONEY.

Those of you who have read some of my previous posts on this matter know I am now seeing a real world GF because of inflated rates combined with sub-par services, and I have the money to see $300.00 per hour providers. I simply do not like over paying for anything, especially pussy when it is available elsewhere.

[sms918]

sadly, I wasn't on aspd and spent way too much time and money on strip clubs and strippers(sometimes still do).

I mentioneed before about this and usually get criticized for being cheap or just complaining.

there are fantastic(established) providers in San Antonio with great service that charge varying rates from low to high(usually 200-350 an hr.)

than there are newbies that charge 300 right off the bat. shiny new car on the lot, girls telling her, whatever.

Some people stand in line for the new overpriced iphone, some people do reseach and chose the best fit(android haha) for them.

price, service, experience, reliability

[Dr Grey]

I wouldn't consider 200 low, more like mid. Moco at 60 would be low. But I get what you're saying.

Xesaddict with a great post. Exactly what I've been trying to say, and do tell some folks.

[be-kind_rewind]

You know why mostly none of the moco mongers respond to these pricing threads? It's because we (moco mongers) know that if we can't afford it, we move on. So these pricing threads are pretty stupid. Don't bitch about $300+ providers..go see someone else.

Simple.

[Dr Grey]

Well exactly, guys have moved on to other avenues where it's affordable or less expensive, even a girlfriend as sex addict says is better on his budget. Appreciate the input bekind. So threads like this do actually serve a purpose.

[sms918]

haha, yes grey true about 200. can't say I ever saw a provider off moco, but there are still providers here under 200 an hr.(just not as many as there used to be.)

I guess instead of saying low and high, I should have said eccie's range in San Antonio now seems to be around 200-350 an hr.


I've paid more and less sometimes for great sessions, sometimes for sessions I prefer to forget.

[GeorgeDRII]

I said move on earlier. The term kick rocks or pound sand. Both old military terms I've heard time and again in my 22 years of service. I'm a crazy Paratrooper, but that doesn't mean I treat the girls crazy. I like to leave a lasting impression myself. By the way, one can only speculate that a provider can squeeze in 2 guys in 1 day. You never know what her personal life is in. She could have college debts and people with degrees who had to take out student loans know that adds up. But that's just 1 situation. What if they've been to court for something. Or maybe trying to establish a place to live for their own families. Who knows? No one but that provider. Sure this is a hobby. Sure we pay our money to fuck or dk fetishes. Whatever your cup of tea. But we all know people in general have a selfish side to us. But honestly guys you shouldn't be pulling from your regular bill/living expense money to hobby. If you are then shame on you! You can't keep your money when you die. So go and spend something on some of these lovely ladies. Let's face it because none of us guys are getting it for free! Even married, you're still paying for it. Think about it, your paying to keep the roof over some of your families heads. I'm pretty sure none of us guys here's game is strong enough to pull a real hot woman from a bar or club for free. Even if you do, once outside that venue you'll pay for it one way or another.

Oh and one more thing, the providers do have more than one bill. It's called life! Duh...

So guys let me know how many of these women are willing to pay you for your sex and pleasure with them. Hahaha 0 would be the right answer. Like I said earlier, if you can only afford cheap then hit up some of the other sites as well. The girls who are no good will either jump on the train and roll out with the experienced ladies or they'll fall off hard. Either way people come and go on this site as well as others. Time to take a good long hard look at ourselves guys and say "Am I what all the ladies are hot for?" Then go out in public and test your metal.

Don't be surprised if you come up empty handed. But your dead presidents talk way louder than you do!