Trump announces transgenders cannot serve in the Military!

[Vivienne Rey]

Science can put a lot of these fallacies to bed, that is, if you care about the truth and stuff.

Scans have shown that the TG brain structure is more similar to that of their preferred gender than their natal gender. So, no, it's not all plumbing. TG is a thing. The AMA and APA recognize it. Transitional care has been widely deemed a necessity, and that includes surgery. Insurance companies are covering it.

Being TG is not mental disorder. It's a biological issue. Gender dysphoria is the distress and anxiety that comes with one's natal gender not matching what is organic to them. And it's the external pressures, harassment, discrimination and abuse that intensifies this to the point of depression and suicide. This is not new.

$84 million on ED treatment, guys. $84 MILLION. It's not because you need a boner to fight wars. It's because your junk is your manhood. That's it. That's all. Nature decided sexy time is over for you but you guys aren't whole without wood. So, men with ED are often distressed, anxious and depressed. Sometimes, they're suicidal. You know, "mentally ill" and "unstable". Yet they serve and the military is paying for their treatment. And it's 10 times the cost of TG transitioning treatment, at $2-8 million.

Finally, these people have been fighting wars and peeing next to "normal" folks for ages. No one noticed.

So, there is no legitimate reason to ban them. Trump's announcement is nothing more than a pretext for discrimination. He's sucking up to the Christian right, pulling focus away from his chaos. Nothing more. It's not likely to work in his favor, but he's already succeeded in thrusting the LGBTQ community back onto the stake for burning.

[Yssup Rider]

Still I nsulting everybody who reads your infantile little posts, I see, Corpy!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Science can put a lot of these fallacies to bed, that is, if you care about the truth and stuff.

Scans have shown that the TG brain structure is more similar to that of their preferred gender than their natal gender. So, no, it's not all plumbing. TG is a thing. The AMA and APA recognize it. Transitional care has been widely deemed a necessity, and that includes surgery. Insurance companies are covering it.

Being TG is not mental disorder. It's a biological issue. Gender dysphoria is the distress and anxiety that comes with one's natal gender not matching what is organic to them. And it's the external pressures, harassment, discrimination and abuse that intensifies this to the point of depression and suicide. This is not new.

$84 million on ED treatment, guys. $84 MILLION. It's not because you need a boner to fight wars. It's because your junk is your manhood. That's it. That's all. Nature decided sexy time is over for you but you guys aren't whole without wood. So, men with ED are often distressed, anxious and depressed. Sometimes, they're suicidal. You know, "mentally ill" and "unstable". Yet they serve and the military is paying for their treatment. And it's 10 times the cost of TG transitioning treatment, at $2-8 million.

Finally, these people have been fighting wars and peeing next to "normal" folks for ages. No one noticed.

So, there is no legitimate reason to ban them. Trump's announcement is nothing more than a pretext for discrimination. He's sucking up to the Christian right, pulling focus away from his chaos. Nothing more. It's not likely to work in his favor, but he's already succeeded in thrusting the LGBTQ community back onto the stake for burning.

Pssst! Evidently you didn't grasp how your argument that "these people have been fighting wars and peeing next to 'normal' folks for ages. No one noticed." only serves to prove the point that there is absolutely no reason to accommodate them with expensive, duty-incapacitating elective surgery followed by lengthy hormonal treatments at government expense.

Originally Posted by WTF

I equated what YOU consider a waste with what I consider a waste. Those two things are not always going to be in agreement, such as this time.

I consider an expense in equality , well spent money.

And in monetary terms yours is a 10x bigger waste times 2.

Wrong. I support taxpayer funds going towards making the U.S. military incomparable and wholly superior to any other military force in the world. Spending money to cut off dicks and leave them laying in a specimen pan in no manner contributes to the combat readiness of any branch of the American military service ... and we are discussing the U.S. military budget and not the budget for White House operations.

Originally Posted by MT Pockets

Not in the least. You could care less about Vets struggling once the military is done with them. You are just acting all caring to push your agenda.

Not really. You guys will try anything to support your Idol Trump. Stick to what you know, hate and corruption.

You're the jackass supporting your asshole idol-Odumbo's BS and wholly unnecessary policy of foisting the transgendered issue onto the military as his lib-retarded ass walked out the fucking door, M T Brain Socket, and I am a vet, you miscreant POS.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

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[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Black"]Wrong. I support taxpayer funds going towards making the U.S. military incomparable and wholly superior to any other military force in the world. Spending money to cut off dicks and leave them laying in a specimen pan in no manner contributes to the combat readiness of any branch of the American military service ... and we are discussing the U.S. military budget and not the budget for White House operations. ]

Viagra comes out of the defense department budget..... and I believe that fully integrated military is better for our nation's safety

[dilbert firestorm]

adding more fuel to the fire....

this is a twitter post by an Iraq war veteran and he has this to say about trannys.

I'll take his word over every liberal arm chair kickers!!!!

read the twitter feed in this link. was not able to copy it. too much editing involved.

http://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/20...-tweet-thread/

This Wounded Warrior Just Explained Trump’s Transgender Ban in One Incredible Tweet Thread

Posted at 2:30 pm on July 26, 2017 by Kira Davis

After the news of Trump’s transgender ban in the military, the internet unsurprisingly exploded into yet another fit of rage.
I guess the millions of people who were about to drop dead where they stood because Congress will now debate Obamacare repeal aren’t an issue anymore.
Squirrel!

J.R. Salzman is a writer, wounded warrior and a veteran who has served in Iraq and he took the time Wednesday morning to share his own thoughts on the ban and life in the military. It immediately began to go viral, with Salzman eventually telling folks not to expect any more responses to the thousands of replies he’s been receiving since he first posted.

Salzman laid out a passionate and logical defense of Trump’s ban. Do you agree with him? Disagree? Drop your thoughts in the comments section…

…and thank you Mr. Salzman for your service.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Viagra comes out of the defense department budget..... and I believe that fully integrated military is better for our nation's safety

The true altruism is: "The needs of the many outweigh the wants of the few."

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Science can put a lot of these fallacies to bed, that is, if you care about the truth and stuff.

Scans have shown that the TG brain structure is more similar to that of their preferred gender than their natal gender. So, no, it's not all plumbing. TG is a thing. The AMA and APA recognize it. Transitional care has been widely deemed a necessity, and that includes surgery. Insurance companies are covering it.

Being TG is not mental disorder. It's a biological issue. Gender dysphoria is the distress and anxiety that comes with one's natal gender not matching what is organic to them. And it's the external pressures, harassment, discrimination and abuse that intensifies this to the point of depression and suicide. This is not new.

$84 million on ED treatment, guys. $84 MILLION. It's not because you need a boner to fight wars. It's because your junk is your manhood. That's it. That's all. Nature decided sexy time is over for you but you guys aren't whole without wood. So, men with ED are often distressed, anxious and depressed. Sometimes, they're suicidal. You know, "mentally ill" and "unstable". Yet they serve and the military is paying for their treatment. And it's 10 times the cost of TG transitioning treatment, at $2-8 million.

Finally, these people have been fighting wars and peeing next to "normal" folks for ages. No one noticed.

So, there is no legitimate reason to ban them. Trump's announcement is nothing more than a pretext for discrimination. He's sucking up to the Christian right, pulling focus away from his chaos. Nothing more. It's not likely to work in his favor, but he's already succeeded in thrusting the LGBTQ community back onto the stake for burning.

so ... being born a man with a woman's brain and vice versa is not a mental disorder?

so glad to know that sweetpea!

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WTF

The vast military industrial complex is a jobs program that is slowly leading us to little more than a police state. It is used to enrich the political well connected.

6 million dollars is made out to be this vast sum of money and it seems all service members are now trained navy seal assassins.

Total bullshit.

The fact of the matter is that some people are born scared of change.

Some things need to be left unchanged. The biological sex of a person is one of those things. Once identity is divorced from reality, chaos ensues, and fantasy rules. Men wanting to live as women and women wanting to live as men shouldn't expect to get a standing ovation, it's just that simple. Now I have no problem with them wanting to join military if that's what they want to do, but my point is and always will be what you are born as is what you will always be regardless.

Jim

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

but my point is and always will be what you are born as is what you will always be regardless.

Jim

Bad news for bambino...born an idiot looks like he will die an idiot.

[TryWeakly]

Originally Posted by WTF

Look dickhead....if there is a job in the military that a blind person could do better than some perverted dipshit like you, I'd be all for emlisting them. It is all about abality , not sexual orientation.




.

Ability .... not abality.....


I see your logic ABILITIES have departed....

Are you just butthurt because you didnt think of enlisting , outing the spies and getting your dick chopped off like that Manning jackass?

There's still time.

I forget, what was it you got banned for a year for?

[I B Hankering]

The Odumbo administration low-balled the costs for transgender surgery by "fantasizing" that only 5% of transgender personnel would seek surgery. A study based on the more realistic number of 30% would raise the cost to $1.349 billion over a ten year period, and that "cost does not include additional medical costs of transgender service members, including hormone therapy, mental health services, or costs associated with surgical complications.... 'for $1.35 billion the Pentagon could purchase 13 F-35 fighters or 14 F-18 Super Hornets.'"

(Washington Free Beacon)

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The Odumbo administration low-balled the costs for transgender surgery by "fantasizing" that only 5% of transgender personnel would seek surgery. A study based on the more realistic number of 30% would raise the cost to $1.349 billion over a ten year period, and that "cost does not include additional medical costs of transgender service members, including hormone therapy, mental health services, or costs associated with surgical complications.... 'for $1.35 billion the Pentagon could purchase 13 F-35 fighters or 14 F-18 Super Hornets.'"

(Washington Free Beacon)

I'm questioning your cost regarding the F-35. they are expensive piece of crap.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

I'm questioning your cost regarding the F-35. they are expensive piece of crap.

Then you'd be questioning Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R., Mo.) who gave those numbers to the Washington Free Beacon with the rest of the study she put together ... not me. I calculate about 1400 Tomahawk missiles or 2800 MRAP vehicles. It's an interesting article as it tears apart the RAND study Odumbo paid for to get his minuscule estimate with which to "mislead" the American public like he did with fictitious Odumbocare coast estimates.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Science can put a lot of these fallacies to bed, that is, if you care about the truth and stuff.

Scans have shown that the TG brain structure is more similar to that of their preferred gender than their natal gender. So, no, it's not all plumbing. TG is a thing. The AMA and APA recognize it. Transitional care has been widely deemed a necessity, and that includes surgery. Insurance companies are covering it.

Being TG is not mental disorder. It's a biological issue. Gender dysphoria is the distress and anxiety that comes with one's natal gender not matching what is organic to them. And it's the external pressures, harassment, discrimination and abuse that intensifies this to the point of depression and suicide. This is not new.

$84 million on ED treatment, guys. $84 MILLION. It's not because you need a boner to fight wars. It's because your junk is your manhood. That's it. That's all. Nature decided sexy time is over for you but you guys aren't whole without wood. So, men with ED are often distressed, anxious and depressed. Sometimes, they're suicidal. You know, "mentally ill" and "unstable". Yet they serve and the military is paying for their treatment. And it's 10 times the cost of TG transitioning treatment, at $2-8 million.

Finally, these people have been fighting wars and peeing next to "normal" folks for ages. No one noticed.

So, there is no legitimate reason to ban them. Trump's announcement is nothing more than a pretext for discrimination. He's sucking up to the Christian right, pulling focus away from his chaos. Nothing more. It's not likely to work in his favor, but he's already succeeded in thrusting the LGBTQ community back onto the stake for burning.

None of what you posted is pure science. It's opinion and speculation. Gender is determined by chromosomes and that's pure science. There is no scientific or medical procedure that will change that. Now you can tinker with the sex hormones but that won't alter chromosomes. eventually there will be consequences to the individuals health. You can't legally change your gender because your birth certificate is a legal document and can't be amended to an individuals liking. If you want to support Transgender people, that's fine but you can't wish them to be something they are not.

Jim

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Hard to argue with that.

Jim

BUT yet we still see liberals Doing just that.. ARGUING about it being unfair..

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

so ... being born a man with a woman's brain and vice versa is not a mental disorder?

so glad to know that sweetpea!

I agree. Several other mental disorders, are cause of wrong brain wiring.. So why are THEY ok to qualify as mental disorders, but gender dysphoria not??