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Old 03-30-2017, 09:07 AM   #1
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Default how to counter political islam

http://www.hoover.org/research/how-c...olitical-islam

this article is by Ayaan Hirsi Ali of the Hoover Institute. she is a former muslim and respected scholar. she talks about dawa and political islam.

http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/27/...#disqus_thread

same article as above, but linked to the disqus thread which has a more robust discussion on islam.
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muslims appear to be divided by 2 phases, those governed by the mecca verses which is spiritual and the medina verses which is more violent.

the medina muslims are what's known as islamist who practice political islam.

ms. Hirsi thinks Islam can be reformed. even so, I don't think that's possible. if you take the medina verses out, its something different. there is a muslim sect that did that. many muslims call that islam 101.

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definition of dawa
"If Islamism is the ideology, then dawa encompasses all the methods by which it is spread. The term “dawa” refers to activities carried out by Islamists to win adherents and enlist them in a campaign to impose sharia law on all societies. Dawa is not the Islamic equivalent of religious proselytizing, although it is often disguised as such by blending humanitarian activities with subversive political activities.

Dawa is to the Islamists of today what the “long march through the institutions” was to twentieth-century Marxists. It is subversion from within, the use of religious freedom in order to undermine that very freedom. After Islamists gain power, dawa is to them what Gleichschaltung  (synchronization) of all aspects of German state, civil, and social institutions was to the National Socialists."

the problem of dawa
"In the US there are First Amendment issues we’re cognizant of. It’s not a crime to radicalize, only when it turns to violence . . . America is thus vulnerable to a threat that is not only diversifying, but arguably intensifying.

To give just one example: A cleric in Maryland, Imam Suleiman Bengharsa, has openly endorsed the Islamic State, posted gruesome videos, and praised terrorist attacks overseas. As of February 2017, however, he remains a free man and US authorities insist nothing can be done against him because he has not yet plotted to commit a specific act of violence. One expert has said that Imam Bengharsa “can take his supporters right up to the line. It’s like making a cake and not putting in the final ingredient. It’s winks and nods all the way.” This is what we are up against."

an issue of tolerance vs. intolerance
'While recognizing that our freedoms are sacrosanct, we must also remember the wise words of Karl Popper, who memorably identified what he called “the paradox of tolerance,” namely that “unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance.”'
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given what I've read of how dawa is performed, it is very close to incitement as that is problably the only way to arrest the offending cleric under current laws.
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