What up with TX SB6?

[EagleEye]

I consider myself reasonably smart (degree in Comp Sci, MBA) and well up to date (Economist, Fox, Reuters, BBC, CNN). That said, I am a bit flummoxed by SB6.

What is the problem being solved? Are they worried cross dressing males will go into a women's bathroom to watch and/or assault women?

If you must use to the bathroom on your birth certificate, won't that mean women transitioning to men may/will look like a man and have junk and go into the women's restrooms and vice versa?

And, of course, how is this going to be policed?

I seriously am confused by this whole thing. What am I missing?

[veedub63]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

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I seriously am confused by this whole thing. What am I missing?

Yes, it is very confusing.

There are some who wish to loudly proclaim that "gender is not fluid". And, while I am of that present opinion, I do recognize that societal values change over time (abolition of slavery, civil rights, women vote, same sex marriage, etc) and perhaps the winds of change are blowing in favor of fluid gender (transgender) folks.

As for now, I would propose that the laws that are presently in effect provide adequate protections. Obscenity laws, lewdness laws, assault, etc. Let the states figure it out. If folks in Texas come to accept the idea of gender being fluid, then stop prosecuting those cases that flow from a "male" visiting a "female" restroom (and vice-versa, of course). Until then, the fluid gender folks should be proscribed from self-gender determination (and perhaps retain the services of a mental health professional).

[David.Douchehurst]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

What is the problem being solved? Are they worried cross dressing males will go into a women's bathroom to watch and/or assault women?

If you must use to the bathroom on your birth certificate, won't that mean women transitioning to men may/will look like a man and have junk and go into the women's restrooms and vice versa?

Exacta-mundo, EE! Them crossdress'rs pull thet crapola all tha time! Happens at least e'ery 10th eppysode o' SVU!

An' as fur as them trans folks, it's a way fer God-fearin' Muricans laik meh an' yew ta spot them an' keep an' eye on 'em. An if'n sum cityzens wif a CCL takes a few o' them trans folks out, well, thet's just tha cost o' ensurin' liberty unner tha 2nd 'mendment! If'n them trans folks don't laik it, they kin all go back ta Transylvania whar they came frum

[nuglet]

I'm guessing those folks that have an issue have never been to an event that is occupied by "PortaPotties"... never saw a gender sign , not once. Just a bunch of homophobes protecting us from ourselves. They obviously are convinced we can't make our own decisions.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by David.Douchehurst

Exacta-mundo, EE! Them crossdress'rs pull thet crapola all tha time! Happens at least e'ery 10th eppysode o' SVU!

An' as fur as them trans folks, it's a way fer God-fearin' Muricans laik meh an' yew ta spot them an' keep an' eye on 'em. An if'n sum cityzens wif a CCL takes a few o' them trans folks out, well, thet's just tha cost o' ensurin' liberty unner tha 2nd 'mendment! If'n them trans folks don't laik it, they kin all go back ta Transylvania whar they came frum

[veedub63]

Originally Posted by nuglet

I'm guessing those folks that have an issue have never been to an event that is occupied by "PortaPotties"... never saw a gender sign , not once. Just a bunch of homophobes protecting us from ourselves. They obviously are convinced we can't make our own decisions.

Name calling will only elicit the same from the other side.

The situation transcends a simple "restroom" issue. If gender is fluid, then are you prepared to live in a gender-less society? Honestly, the idea of a gender-less society works against the ultimate desire of the transsexual; to be recognized as the opposite sex (as they see themselves).

I agree with the law insomuch as it maintains gender as a recognizable and inalienable trait. Although, I believe focusing on restroom issues is, well, retarded. Let the transsexuals be; they have been using the restroom of their choice for YEARS without much concern. If someone desires to physically change their gender, to match their psychological gender, then provide a legal mechanism to allow them to do this seamlessly and with dignity. The restroom issue is nonsense.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by veedub63

The situation transcends a simple "restroom" issue. If gender is fluid, then are you prepared to live in a gender-less society? Honestly, the idea of a gender-less society works against the ultimate desire of the transsexual; to be recognized as the opposite sex (as they see themselves).

I agree with the law insomuch as it maintains gender as a recognizable and inalienable trait. Although, I believe focusing on restroom issues is, well, retarded. Let the transsexuals be; they have been using the restroom of their choice for YEARS without much concern. If someone desires to physically change their gender, to match their psychological gender, then provide a legal mechanism to allow them to do this seamlessly and with dignity. The restroom issue is nonsense.

To me, fluid infers the person moves back and forth, like a bisexual person's sexual encounters bouncing from one sex to another. I think a more accurate term - at least with regards to gender identity - would be that in the 21st century, physical gender is mutable, where it once was not.

Not sure why NC and TX have their panties (or boxers) in a bunch about this... as you say, people have been doing this for years. And its not going to stop same sex predators from going after children of their same sex.

Fascinating to see how this ends up in TX, and whether there is economic impact as with NC. The governor evidently told the NFL to fuck off about getting involved in this.

[veedub63]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

To me, fluid infers the person moves back and forth, like a bisexual person's sexual encounters bouncing from one sex to another. I think a more accurate term - at least with regards to gender identity - would be that in the 21st century, physical gender is mutable, where it once was not.

Not sure why NC and TX have their panties (or boxers) in a bunch about this... as you say, people have been doing this for years. And its not going to stop same sex predators from going after children of their same sex.

Fascinating to see how this ends up in TX, and whether there is economic impact as with NC. The governor evidently told the NFL to fuck off about getting involved in this.

Not to be splitting hairs, but when I used the term fluid, I intended the natural implication to be applied. No law would make sense that would allow for someone to legally change gender just ONCE, hence fluid. I'm not being an a-hole, I just meant what I said and I disagree with the idea of gender being mutable. I believe a legally sound method should be available in order to change genders, and that once that change is made then you have an immutable characteristic. Of course, should one decide to change again, then the mechanism is available.

[Loxly]

Originally Posted by nuglet

I'm guessing those folks that have an issue have never been to an event that is occupied by "PortaPotties"... never saw a gender sign , not once. Just a bunch of homophobes protecting us from ourselves. They obviously are convinced we can't make our own decisions.

Valid point but most are "single serve" with a lock on them. And while I have seen multiple fixtures in some porta-potties it always seemed to come down to personal preference.

[Austin Ellen]

+1 I agree - and if you gotta go--you gotta go - hell, I've used the men's bathroom lots of times because the line to the women's bathroom is always so damn long. And my main intent is to get to the toilet - not to check if there are transsexuals in there - I mean, really who cares??

Originally Posted by veedub63

Name calling will only elicit the same from the other side.

The situation transcends a simple "restroom" issue. If gender is fluid, then are you prepared to live in a gender-less society? Honestly, the idea of a gender-less society works against the ultimate desire of the transsexual; to be recognized as the opposite sex (as they see themselves).

I agree with the law insomuch as it maintains gender as a recognizable and inalienable trait. Although, I believe focusing on restroom issues is, well, retarded. Let the transsexuals be; they have been using the restroom of their choice for YEARS without much concern. If someone desires to physically change their gender, to match their psychological gender, then provide a legal mechanism to allow them to do this seamlessly and with dignity. The restroom issue is nonsense.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

+1 I agree - and if you gotta go--you gotta go - hell, I've used the men's bathroom lots of times because the line to the women's bathroom is always so damn long. And my main intent is to get to the toilet - not to check if there are transsexuals in there - I mean, really who cares??

It seems as if the Governor and Lt. Governor care... a lot.

[redbeard42]

[Yssup Rider]

Restroom in a new West Houston brewpub was a "lobby" with a large trough-like sink and multiple faucets, surrounded by a dozen private stalls with doors. No men's, no women's. Just shitters.

Problem solved.

NEXT!