Definition please??

[Guest121917-1]

Here lately I have seen guys requesting GFE but then listing things that I WOULD consider PSE.

I know some will over a bit of both but what is the true defintion to you.

We need to make abbreviations for that gray area line....the Monica Lewinsky or the KGE (Kinky girlfriend experience), haha.

[CactusIago]

My opinion, GFE means kissing, Daty, BBBJ and CFS...If it is less than that..meaning, "No" to any of those, it is non GFE..

PSE is more nebulous---Greek, BDSM, and the other kinky, non-standard things mean PSE--but with my definitions you could do PSE things, and still be non-GFE...If I am reading this in a non-standard way, I will change to whatever the consensus says...

[TemptationTammie]

To me, PSE is without the kissing or can be without foreplay, just straight out fucking without anything more personal. GFE is more personal including kissing, tender touches and fondling.

[Guest121917-1]

Cim to me is considered Pse as well

[Samcro84]

Originally Posted by TemptationTammie

To me, PSE is without the kissing or can be without foreplay, just straight out fucking without anything more personal. GFE is more personal including kissing, tender touches and fondling.

Agree Tammie, some consider the PSE is supposed to be a step up than GFE. But watching porn not so sure cause some do kissing, foreplay and acted passion. So not sure the difference anymore.

Originally Posted by Daddys Girl ATX

Cim to me is considered Pse as well

A lot of guys consider GFE to include CIM, BBBJ and DFK. The CIM is not a requirement for me but other activities are.


I am not real sure if there is a lot of difference between the two. Maybe someone will post what the difference really is.

Sam

[Britttany_love]

GFE vs PSE (to me)

I advertise as a GFE with a touch of PSE. I enjoy certain PSE activities but don't dabble in all of them.

GFE
Girl Friend Experience

1. Shows up and acts like she wants to be there. Typically dates booked for an hour +
2. Intimate conversation to break the ice.
3. Cuddling and soft touches, puts something sexy on for you and looks presentable ( hair and makeup look nice)
4. DFK, LFK, DATY, BBBJ, MPCFS, 69, MSOG
5. IOP +++ & Eye contact
6. The desire to please
7. Stays and provides service for the full hour and doesn't rush or clock watch (within reason)

PSE
Porn Star Experience

1. Straight to fucking no chit chat ..she doesn't care to get to know you or how lonely you are.
2. Hard pounding, face fucking, not as much passion and intimacy as gfe, she wants to be used and treated like a dirty slut. Push her head down on your dick or bury her face in the pillows.
3. No holes barred ( mouth, pussy and ass) .
4. Dirty talk, name calling, biting, loud moans, hair pulling, greek, spanking, face slapping! DP, 3 somes, gang bangs, bukakkes..etc
5. Action shot, facials, cum in mouth, gagging and spitting, deep throat, cum play.
6. Pictures and videos.

[Omnivor]

To me if you advertise gfe, than you are going to treat me as if I'm your lover. It should include lfk, dfk, eye contact throughout, with very good iop, and bbbj with cim. Anything less is limited gfe, or gfe lite.
If real passion is substituted for IOP, then even better. This seems to be possible more than I would have thought, or some of these girls are really good at iop. For me, the cim is not a requirement and I'm not sure it is required to be considered full gfe. I mean some girlfriends I've had won't even give a bj.


PSE may include the above, or not. It would have to include good iop as well, but other than that, not much in common. I don't see it as an upgrade, but a different service. It would be reasonable to assume that there is more on offer as far as kinky, out of the normal positions and other types of things you see in the videos. The availability of doing Pics and video of the session would be a good start for being considered pse.
I can't say there is a list of requirements for pse though, like there is for gfe. I think it is more of an attitude, and a way to say you can be sexy in a manner like you would see in a porn video, and make me feel like a porn star too.

[The Infamous One]

Originally Posted by Britttany_love

GFE vs PSE (to me)

I advertise as a GFE with a touch of PSE. I enjoy certain PSE activities but don't dabble in all of them.

GFE
Girl Friend Experience

1. Shows up and acts like she wants to be there. Typically dates booked for an hour +
2. Intimate conversation to break the ice.
3. Cuddling and soft touches, puts something sexy on for you and looks presentable ( hair and makeup look nice)
4. DFK, LFK, DATY, BBBJ, MPCFS, 69, MSOG
5. IOP +++ & Eye contact
6. The desire to please
7. Stays and provides service for the full hour and doesn't rush or clock watch (within reason)

PSE
Porn Star Experience

1. Straight to fucking no chit chat ..she doesn't care to get to know you or how lonely you are.
2. Hard pounding, face fucking, not as much passion and intimacy as gfe, she wants to be used and treated like a dirty slut. Push her head down on your dick or bury her face in the pillows.
3. No holes barred ( mouth, pussy and ass) .
4. Dirty talk, name calling, biting, loud moans, hair pulling, greek, spanking, face slapping! DP, 3 somes, gang bangs, bukakkes..etc
5. Action shot, facials, cum in mouth, gagging and spitting, deep throat, cum play.
6. Pictures and videos.

+ 1

I am always gfe even if I'm doing PSE which, to me, is what you said with Greek included & not really too much chit chat. But I do NOT like it rough unless I'm the aggressor! Nothing pisses me off more than a guy coming in with a terrible attitude, being cold & trying to order me around or trying to being forceful in any way. And I'm cim but I don't consider that PSE! It's funny the way we perceive all these little differences.

I charge more for PSE & need to be told in advance so I can prepare. But really I just advertise what I'm the mood for that day. Lol Sometimes I feel more pse'ish. Sometimes more girlfriend'ish. Sometimes more like Monica!

[Britttany_love]

Originally Posted by The Infamous One

+ 1

I am always gfe even if I'm doing PSE which, to me, is what you said with Greek included & not really too much chit chat. But I do NOT like it rough unless I'm the aggressor! Nothing pisses me off more than a guy coming in with a terrible attitude, being cold & trying to order me around or trying to being forceful in any way. And I'm cim but I don't consider that PSE! It's funny the way we perceive all these little differences.

I charge more for PSE & need to be told in advance so I can prepare. But really I just advertise what I'm the mood for that day. Lol Sometimes I feel more pse'ish. Sometimes more girlfriend'ish. Sometimes more like Monica!

I agree I do CIM but consider that to be more so on the pse side as gfe to me leans more so to what the guy wants to be getting from a girlfriend/wife but probably doesn't get. Most guys I see that want CIM (I do not swallow which most PSE ladies do) want so because they don't get it from their real world girlfriends and wifes and most other GFE providers don't offer it. I feel safe saying I'm GFE with a touch of pse because I offer all the GFE type services along with some PSE stuff like dirty talk, CIM, facials,face fucking, hard pounding, gagging, spitting hair pulling, light spanking.. etc but don't dabble in Greek, double pentration, face slapping, videos, cum play, name calling, or really rough play..etc

I like a happy medium

[whiskeyforus]

Originally Posted by The Infamous One

+ 1

I am always gfe even if I'm doing PSE which, to me, is what you said with Greek included & not really too much chit chat. But I do NOT like it rough unless I'm the aggressor! Nothing pisses me off more than a guy coming in with a terrible attitude, being cold & trying to order me around or trying to being forceful in any way. And I'm cim but I don't consider that PSE! It's funny the way we perceive all these little differences.

I charge more for PSE & need to be told in advance so I can prepare. But really I just advertise what I'm the mood for that day. Lol Sometimes I feel more pse'ish. Sometimes more girlfriend'ish. Sometimes more like Monica!

I believe Brittany_love gave a good explanation of the differences between GFE and PSE. Thanks for reminding us that the line is often blurred, we're all different with what we think of as passion and affection versus a good anything goes (within reason) fuck.

[Samcro84]

^^^ That is a great idea for ladies to have pastries. I like coconut. I guess that is what you meant by cream pie. Lol

Sam

[TemptationTammie]

I don't really consider cim or swallowing as part of PSE. Facials or cum on any type of the body would be, but for me to swallow is normal.

[tzv13]

Originally Posted by Britttany_love

GFE vs PSE (to me)

I advertise as a GFE with a touch of PSE. I enjoy certain PSE activities but don't dabble in all of them.

GFE
Girl Friend Experience

1. Shows up and acts like she wants to be there. Typically dates booked for an hour +
2. Intimate conversation to break the ice.
3. Cuddling and soft touches, puts something sexy on for you and looks presentable ( hair and makeup look nice)
4. DFK, LFK, DATY, BBBJ, MPCFS, 69, MSOG
5. IOP +++ & Eye contact
6. The desire to please
7. Stays and provides service for the full hour and doesn't rush or clock watch (within reason)

PSE
Porn Star Experience

1. Straight to fucking no chit chat ..she doesn't care to get to know you or how lonely you are.
2. Hard pounding, face fucking, not as much passion and intimacy as gfe, she wants to be used and treated like a dirty slut. Push her head down on your dick or bury her face in the pillows.
3. No holes barred ( mouth, pussy and ass) .
4. Dirty talk, name calling, biting, loud moans, hair pulling, greek, spanking, face slapping! DP, 3 somes, gang bangs, bukakkes..etc
5. Action shot, facials, cum in mouth, gagging and spitting, deep throat, cum play.
6. Pictures and videos.

That has always been my understanding of the 2 different terms.

There's a lot of confusion about them with newer providers though. I've heard some of them say that they don't offer GFE because they provide safe sex. When I asked them to explain, they said GFE...Girl Friend Experience...you know like having sex with your girlfriend...bareback. Then I've heard some of the newer providers say that PSE was bareback like in porn. It's been funny educating them on what the terms really meant.