Eccie Screen Shots on Back Page? your thoughts.

[5T3V3]

I generally keep an eye on backpage. Not that I would book a lady from back page, but rather to avoid the hassles of backpagers creeping in here and dragging in their drama which has happened. Also, as the spas litter backpage and the spas seem to be the target of Johnny laws focus as of late - it would seem be the place to advertise if you wanted to raise the risk of being targeted by law enforcement.

Hence, my surprise when I have seen a couple girls of late posting screen shots of Eccie review pages showing their ratings and the screen names of their raters on backpage ads. My first thought was "oh, great now law enforcement has another excuse to investigate Eccie". My next thought was do I really want to see one of my reviews in such a forum, and the answer was NO! And finally my thought was wouldn't she require the permission of all the parties to post an eccie screen shot elsewhere or at least the ok of Eccie? I am not so naïve as to believe law enforcement isn't monitoring here, but monitoring is quite a different thing than being on someone's radar which spreading precariously outside these semi-protected walls could make happen.

I certainly see all sides of the equation and I am not "bent out of shape" by it happening by any means. I don't mind typed references to Eccie, P411 or other sites, but to see actual screen captures does seem to bother me. I don't even like the idea of posting the actual Eccie logo as it looks too professional and organized and might lead to getting on someone's radar. I do think that as a community it is something that needs to be discussed. The one that most surprised me was a prime member of this community and one that has been on my short list for a longtime as a respected professional provider. And she is still respected by me. I have always thought of Eccie as Vegas ... what happens in Eccie stays in Eccie. I have certainly seen ladies before quoting 51 yes reviews on Eccie, P411 registered and the like, but to see an actual screen shot of a review master page was unsettling. So, community - what say you?

[OldGent]

I agree done in very poor taste and lack of respect in regards to safety and privacy.

[Fancylady]

Naked and half naked pictures on websites are crazy in illegal business...

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by 5T3V3

Hence, my surprise when I have seen a couple girls of late posting screen shots of Eccie review pages showing their ratings and the screen names of their raters on backpage ads. My first thought was "oh, great now law enforcement has another excuse to investigate Eccie". My next thought was do I really want to see one of my reviews in such a forum, and the answer was NO! And finally my thought was wouldn't she require the permission of all the parties to post an eccie screen shot elsewhere or at least the ok of Eccie? I am not so naïve as to believe law enforcement isn't monitoring here, but monitoring is quite a different thing than being on someone's radar which spreading precariously outside these semi-protected walls could make happen.

I certainly see all sides of the equation and I am not "bent out of shape" by it happening by any means. I don't mind typed references to Eccie, P411 or other sites, but to see actual screen captures does seem to bother me. I don't even like the idea of posting the actual Eccie logo as it looks too professional and organized and might lead to getting on someone's radar. I do think that as a community it is something that needs to be discussed. The one that most surprised me was a prime member of this community and one that has been on my short list for a longtime as a respected professional provider. And she is still respected by me. I have always thought of Eccie as Vegas ... what happens in Eccie stays in Eccie. I have certainly seen ladies before quoting 51 yes reviews on Eccie, P411 registered and the like, but to see an actual screen shot of a review master page was unsettling. So, community - what say you?

Something to keep in mind: ECCIE reviews (in fact, all ECCIE postings) are in fact visible publicly to pretty much any schmuck with internet access. The only exception is the stuff that is surrounded by either "ROS" or "PRIVATE" tags, which is accessible only to members with Premium Access. So, basically, any provider could Google her phone number or email address, find her reviews here, and take her own screenshots and post them to her Backpage ad. (Now, if you ever see BP ad with a posted ECCIE screenshot which includes ROS or Private content... then you know we're dealing with a serious breach of site security (either someone with PA access is giving away that screenshot, or the lady posting the screenshot has PA herself via some subterfuge; I'm pretty sure either is a bannable offense here).)*

Now, I won't argue against the notion that maybe, just maybe, the powers that be here should restrict access to ECCIE posts (or maybe just to reviews) to members only, but as it stands there's no such restriction, and for whatever reason the site owners, admins, and mods presumably want it that way. (I have to suspect it's a deliberate marketing decision to drive up site views... Look at the "What's Going On" section on the main index page the next time you log in here... odds are very good that you'll see more guests visiting the site than members. For example, as I type this the "What's Going On?" shows us: "Currently Active Users: 12060 (5321 members and 6739 guests)". I don't think I've ever seen more members than guests here anytime I've logged in (though to be honest, I don't always check these statistics every time I log in).)

Anyway, it is a good thing to keep in mind that whenever you post here pretty much all of the internet can see it, unless you're using "Private" tags...

Cheers,

bcg

*I've never seen Private/ROS content on ECCIE screenshots in Backpage, but I have seen screenshots on BP of reviews from that oThER site which included information which requires VIP access there to see, so a posting of a screenshot containing Private/ROS content from a post here is certainly within the realm of possibility.

[Lena Duvall]

FYI: savvy hoes know that sweet and thoughtful clients who are looking for a carefree time yet aren't deeply steeped in hobby culture can be found on BP.

I guess I personally don't buy into the hype that this or any other review board is more "upscale" or "high brow" than Backpage. Whenever I'm planning on visiting a particular city and deciding if I'll post on BP, I take cues on if it's worth it by seeing how many reputable escorts from here or that national review board post sponsor ads. Also, I see a good amount of sex workers from here posting direct links to their reviews or shouting out a gent who's written a review on twitter and elsewhere on the internet and I don't see what at all could be unethical about it. After all gents get the privilege of anonymity with their handles.

[5T3V3]

Originally Posted by Lena Duvall

FYI: savvy hoes know that sweet and thoughtful clients who are looking for a carefree time yet aren't deeply steeped in hobby culture can be found on BP.

I guess I personally don't buy into the hype that this or any other review board is more "upscale" or "high brow" than Backpage.

I certainly would not tell you or any one else how to run their business or where to advertise. It is my opinion - that if trafficking is to be found, it is more likely to be found on Backpage than on Eccie. I do feel that most here would not want to promote trafficking and would go out of their way to avoid a women that is knowingly being exploited. That said I am sure there is somewhere here an exception or two, but based on many threads and polls the majority would not condone exploitation.

Because trafficking is the "hot button" that seems to be driving law enforcement, and because most of the trafficking happens in spa's or airline employees that advertise on backpage , it is my considered opinion that fishing there is riskier than here, SOOOOO I choose not to do it. And I also try and avoid the ladies here that I see advertising on backpage (my personal choice), because years ago I was involved in an incident where a lady was busted and her phone was used to set up her johns. Now this was 10 years ago and I was smart enough to see through the rues they used, but the memory lingers on, so it seems wise to me to do my homework and to be cautious regarding my dating, and avoid high potential areas like Backpage.

I am sure you can find many a nice chap on backpage; however, I choose to avoid ladies on backpage, because to me they present a higher risk of having been focused on by Law enforcement and thus offer more risk to me. That is my opinion - and right or wrong - I am entitled to it. That same reason is why I question whether ladies should ethically post Eccie credentials on Backpage as it might IMHO lead law enforcement to take a harder look at this site. Again, I am under no illusions that there aren't LE here already; however, I believe they can see that this is more of a community of consenting adults and their focus is elsewhere on the more exploitive factions of the hobby like Backpage. (if you will remember it used to be Craig's List - they tend to focus on the smoke)

Originally Posted by bluffcityguy

Something to keep in mind: ECCIE reviews (in fact, all ECCIE postings) are in fact visible publicly to pretty much any schmuck with internet access. The only exception is the stuff that is surrounded by either "ROS" or "PRIVATE" tags, which is accessible only to members with Premium Access. So, basically, any provider could Google her phone number or email address, find her reviews here, and take her own screenshots and post them to her Backpage ad. (Now, if you ever see BP ad with a posted ECCIE screenshot which includes ROS or Private content... then you know we're dealing with a serious breach of site security (either someone with PA access is giving away that screenshot, or the lady posting the screenshot has PA herself via some subterfuge; I'm pretty sure either is a bannable offense here).)*

Now, I won't argue against the notion that maybe, just maybe, the powers that be here should restrict access to ECCIE posts (or maybe just to reviews) to members only, but as it stands there's no such restriction, and for whatever reason the site owners, admins, and mods presumably want it that way. (I have to suspect it's a deliberate marketing decision to drive up site views... Look at the "What's Going On" section on the main index page the next time you log in here... odds are very good that you'll see more guests visiting the site than members. For example, as I type this the "What's Going On?" shows us: "Currently Active Users: 12060 (5321 members and 6739 guests)". I don't think I've ever seen more members than guests here anytime I've logged in (though to be honest, I don't always check these statistics every time I log in).)

Anyway, it is a good thing to keep in mind that whenever you post here pretty much all of the internet can see it, unless you're using "Private" tags...

Cheers,

bcg

*I've never seen Private/ROS content on ECCIE screenshots in Backpage, but I have seen screenshots on BP of reviews from that oThER site which included information which requires VIP access there to see, so a posting of a screenshot containing Private/ROS content from a post here is certainly within the realm of possibility.

Again, I certainly understand that this is not a magically shielded private form that does not present certain risks. I do believe that using the tools here minimizes the risk of dating. And I don't believe I have seen a great number of advertisements for the site, so it still remains fairly low-key and under the radar. Also, I think it would be apparent to the average LE officers that likely cruise through here that by and large this is a group of people made up of generally consenting adults and really aren't hurting anyone. And their time (LE) will be spent on the more nefarious factions of the industry - unless it is "in their face". Just like the focus of drug enforcement is not on the occasional user, but on the dealers unless the offense is "in their face". All I am saying is as a community let's not get in their face. I am not even asking for the powers at be to make a ruling - heck I think most of the ladies will reconsider doing it if the community feels strongly it is a breach of trust. And there is also the possibility that my close call has me overly paranoid and the community could care less if information from here leaks out everywhere. However, if as you suggest, the powers at be take a look at making some new rule well I guess I trust them to do that as well, but that is not why I started the thread.

[LeahLafyette]

Originally Posted by 5T3V3

My next thought was do I really want to see one of my reviews in such a forum, and the answer was NO! And finally my thought was wouldn't she require the permission of all the parties to post an eccie screen shot elsewhere or at least the ok of Eccie? I am not so naïve as to believe law enforcement isn't monitoring here, but monitoring is quite a different thing than being on someone's radar which spreading precariously outside these semi-protected walls could make happen.

I do agree with you. Ladies and Gents alike depend on the privacy/discretion that sites such as ECCIE, P411, & TER provide. If there are no guidelines, as far as discretion (especially for our gents) then the exposure leaves us more vulnerable. I think providers should understand the guidelines that come with each advertising site and consider it.

XO

[5T3V3]

Originally Posted by LeahLafyette

I do agree with you. Ladies and Gents alike depend on the privacy/discretion that sites such as ECCIE, P411, & TER provide. If there are no guidelines, as far as discretion (especially for our gents) then the exposure leaves us more vulnerable. I think providers should understand the guidelines that come with each advertising site and consider it.

XO

I think in the end - LE has very little interest in "consenting adults" engaging in the hobby as long as exploitation is not a part of the equation; however, there are groups and pressures to convince the public that "no woman would willingly choose this lifestyle unless coerced by a pimp" so ALL women are by default "trafficked" in their minds. While the pendulum is swinging that direction - budgets and politics require that the focus stay on Spa open near business (because neighborhoods and business complain) and the trafficking rich targets where exploitation scores elected officials political brownie points for election time. Our best bet to be safer is keep a low profile and not give LE a reason to poke around here.

Just curious as to the call out on "especially for our gents" what lack of discretion do you see us gents making that we should be cognizant of? Although technically I should have said of which we should be cognizant, but no one really cares about proper grammar here, do they?

[Italianbeauty4u]

I wish in a perfect world that we could be a happy little family and all get a long and only see each other but unfortunately, where I am, I would starve to death if I did that! I love where I am from but it is a small area and we don't have a lot of providers and guys like variety, for the most part. So, how do you suggest we feed our children and pay our bills if we don't advertise where 80-90% of our business comes from? I have never had a problem from any of my bp clients. I screen both EECIE and BP clients the same. I agree the reviews should not be public. I don't like that at all. Thank you for your time.

[Italianbeauty4u]

The only place I advertise my affiliation with ECCIE or P411 is on my own website and will continue to do that. I don't want any unwarranted attention pointed to us because of me for sure...but like its been said...you guys have nothing to worry about because you are already anonymous..we are the ones that need to worry.