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Ranchhand · 10-11-2015, 02:10 PM

Ok, I was a mod for a long time on this site so I know the rules about outing. Hell I was outted on this site once myself. But is there any situation where outing someone would be for the good of this site? For instance if you knew someone who was murderer that was on this site would it be ok to out them. Also if you knew for sure there was a member of this site that was a severe threat to the ladies would it be ok to out them. Shouldn't we be able to protect everyone on this site if we had information about someone that was dangerous and it was true information. It seems to me that eccie would praise someone who provides such information. Maybe im wrong, im old fashioned, If I knew some of this type of information, I feel the ladies and everyone else should know about it. Just how strict is eccie in this type of situation?

Guest092616 · 10-11-2015, 03:05 PM

You are 1000% correct !!!! I would love to see what others say about this- post !! I agree wholeheartedly and I thank you for saying this on Eccie!!!! I have a very high respect for you ... & again. Thank you..

sean rider · 10-11-2015, 04:56 PM

The problem is that there is never a bright line. When is a threat enough of a threat? Soon the mods have to research the available information, make a judgement as to whether the threshold has been met, etc. And, by the way, what is the threshold? Beyond a reasonable doubt? By the preponderance of evidence?

Better to simply not allow outing.

BUT if someone has real life info about someone who has *already* broken the law in a way you find troubling, then make an anonymous (or not) report to the cops.

IMHO

Ranchhand · 10-11-2015, 05:09 PM

Sir an anonymous report to the cops does not protect anyone on this site. In fact most of the reports to the cops go unnoticed. I know this because I have a brother in law that is fairly high in law enforcement in this area and they are really not interested in any reports from anyone on eccie. In fact they are not interested in this site at all. So you in a round about way saying if you knew someone was a murderer on this site then you would just keep it to yourself? No disrespect intended but I believe you have a very limited view of whats important to the ladies.

SammieB · 10-11-2015, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ranchhand

Sir an anonymous report to the cops does not protect anyone on this site. In fact most of the reports to the cops go unnoticed. I know this because I have a brother in law that is fairly high in law enforcement in this area and they are really not interested in any reports from anyone on eccie. In fact they are not interested in this site at all. So you in a round about way saying if you knew someone was a murderer on this site then you would just keep it to yourself? No disrespect intended but I believe you have a very limited view of whats important to the ladies.

There is usually an exception to every rule. The question is where in all the gray area do you draw the line and say it is okay or not okay for that particular situation.

TemptationTammie · 10-11-2015, 07:24 PM

I feel that if the person is a danger or threat to either the ladies or the guys, that information should be allowed to be posted. Rapists, thieves, generally abusive people that have been known for harming others shouldn't expect that privacy.
However, how many people would abuse that privilege and out a guy for walking out without being paid or out a lady if they received bad service? If we say that it's ok for a guy to be outed for rape or robbery, then the same should be expected for the ladies. But what kind of proof would be needed so that it's not posted frivolously or false?

GoldWing · 10-11-2015, 09:41 PM

"Maybe, Might Have, Could Have, I Heard That, Possibly, Someone Said That, I Feel, I Think" is the Gray Area and the rules apply....There are times when exceptions should apply. I think that the Safety line was crossed and a real life clear and present danger is lurking out there. The providers on this board better take heed to the warning they were given at the expense of his status. Definitely Not in the Gray area in my opinion. Just sayin...

Dragon99 · 10-11-2015, 10:10 PM

But the mods are in a precarious position making any judgment call. That decision and the next one and the next one could potentially threaten not only this forum, but many of us. Much safer and less entangling for mods to abide by the blanket rule when it comes to outting, I think.

That said, the information was both relevant and important to the members of this community (and still is, I imagine). A better approach might be a sticky thread on the Alerts Board that prudent ladies could consult inviting them to PM to exchange such information. That way no one is outted and the mods do not have to act. Would such a thread lead to banning?

sean rider · 10-12-2015, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ranchhand

No disrespect intended but I believe you have a very limited view of whats important to the ladies.

No, I have an expanded view of what's important.

As for anecdotal evidence, look hard enough and it points in all directions.

Bottom line if I had a name and personal certainty of a crime like rape, or murder, or even car theft, I'd find a way to call attention to it.

Or this...why not both cops and eccie when you can ID a dangerous guy?

sean rider · 10-12-2015, 01:19 AM

Is there a mod willing to tell us now where the line is in terms of justifying outing? And what kind of certainty applies? Beyond a reasonable doubt? 51% of the evidence?

Guest120719 · 10-12-2015, 10:06 AM

I think if someone is a threat to the community they should be outted to keep the community safe. :-)

sean rider · 10-12-2015, 05:19 PM

The natural response is to say yes, protect the site and the women and men who post there. But in the realm of commercial sex boards outing people is the nuclear option, and once it starts all hell can break loose. I've seen it happen. And other than the most extreme cases you will always have disagreements as to whether so-and-so is a true threat, and whether the evidence is sufficient. And if there is a disagreement, it's too late because the bell cannot be unrung.

To protect the ladies, who usually won't know a caller's real name anyway, it would be better to post partial phone numbers and partial email addresses. They are then protected, and the hard and fast rule against outing is preserved.

Sigmodas · 10-12-2015, 07:06 PM

There are 2 sides to this story. First I agree with Sexctexan. We have to protect our the community or we no longer have a community. However I have seen on here when a client wants take a provider to the carpet and talk trash. The most important thing that overrides all else is personal safety for the people on this forum. Please provide PM's or calls to let people know that there is a problem.

Ranchhand · 10-12-2015, 11:20 PM

First of all I agree that outing is sort of taboo thing to do on this site. As I said It happened to me and it was not justified. In the long run it didn't cause me any harm, but had I been younger it might have. As a mod it did cause me to lose some respect of a lot of people on this site. It also cost me my job as a mod, and it was all passed down from a couple of folks on this site that had it out for me. I was unjustly chastised for something that never happened. So I am fully aware of lies that can be made to seem like the truth in the eyes of some people. I will never live down the things that were told about me, but at the same time those lies didn't cause a lot of harm to me personally. I feel if I had been a dangerous person though, then it would have been justified. Hell at my age now, I would almost out myself. I wonder if that would be against the rules.

sean rider · 10-13-2015, 01:32 AM

Just because you survived an injust outing with minimal damage, that doesn't mean everyone would. The salient point is that people will be outed who don't deserve it.

And what is a threat anyway? A pulled gun? Sure. But what about a comment like "watch your back?" Or a guy who says "karma will take care of this?" Or a guy who relates a story about a provider who once got beat up by someone else?

What about a guy who skips out on paying? What about a guy who skips out on paying and gives a mean look on the way out? What about a guy who doesn't do anything overt, but shows up with a hidden carry gun? What if someone hears from someone else that a guy is a threat? What if that someone else is said to be well respected, but we are merely told that by the person posting, and we are asked to trust her or his judgement in believing the allegation?

We've all seen messy accusations about rip-off providers, guys who are supposedly a threat, arguments that go back and forth and invite popcorn jokes. Now imagine that with real life names being posted. What comes after that? Anonymous calls to wives and employers? Or imagine retaliatory outings of providers. Might not there be dangerous providers? If a guy is threatened by a pimp is that reason enough to post a providers real name? And what follows then? A call to DFS alleging her kids are being exposed to sex work?

The whole thing is just unworkable, and I doubt the mods want to put themselves in the position of being judge and jury to decide which outings are justifiable and which are not.

And, again, there is no need to out people in order to keep providers safe anyway. When a new guy contacts them they won't know his real name anyway. But they will know the caller ID or email address he used to contact them.

I'll not post again on this, but I do wish management would speak up lest folks later commit outings and say about it "I thought we agreed outing people was OK in some cases."