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Contrary to what some may think Recap actually knows what he is talking about lol. There ARE other means to see UTR women now and I'm not talking about Craigs List. I've personally used a site called What's Your Price. There have been lots of postings on USASG on it so it seems alot of guys are trying it out. I've personally had great success with it and I've never paid over $150 and that wasn't for a date either (no time limit). The ones for dates I've generally been $50 and even a few of those ended happily. Not too bad lol especially considering some of these girls have had complaints from guys on USASG that they don't put out. I beg to differ on that lol. It's very YMMV so for many its probably a waste of money. I've still seen girls like Country Girl Pamela (who is freaking awesome btw) because sometimes a provider can offer something more. There is no need to "maintain" any sort of FWB type relationship. WYP is potentially more dangerous because feelings can be involved. They aren't providers. But no time limits is definitely nice. I always leave because I have to which is generally after a few hours anyway. Just nice not having to pay 400-500 bucks for it lol.
Awwww thanks BCGg....you are one helluva sweet guy who I adore!
I can say Monica and I are in a different "aspect of the provider realm" than Recaps gals.....We offer an experience complete with hfe/pse and even fetish play that MOST of these younger providers do not offer....Now thats not a bad thing or good thing..its just facts of the hobby life...I think that there is "a provider type" for everyone....so there should be enough hobbyist n the area to keep all providers busy and happy.....
I will just continue to market to my target audience and keep my fingers crossed that I get enough business to visit soon.
I will just continue to market to my target audience and keep my fingers crossed that I get enough business to visit soon.
I'm sure you'll come out ok. You are, after all, THE legend.
Keep your other fingers (or toes if you've run out of fingers) crossed that I win the Powerball jackpot this weekend; if I do you'll be hearing from me shortly after that.
Put Recap, Crowley, and Aces together and between the 3, they may actually know a little something, or maybe not...
Aces, you attribute way too much power to Recap and the other board. I do agree that some providers, and maybe including Dallas, don't get much interest from that board. One provider I know tried several times, including offering specials of 50 off her regular rate for an incredible gfe date and still hardly had any interest from that board and the interest she did get was from guys she'd already seen who just wanted to take advantage of the specials. It is what it is and she moved on because she wasn't going change her screening, lower her rate anymore, or kiss anyone's ass to be a favorite so she stopped advertising there.
I think RTP can have an effect on providers' business and if they become a local "favorite" then its 5218 members as of 2-6-15, many of whom aren't even active and only around 200 have 20 or more posts, can make their presence felt to a degree and have an impact but its not the be all and end all. There are providers in St. Louis who do quite well with just an Eros ad and some good reviews on here and TER, then there are some who do quite well with just BP and ECCIE and TER reviews. And lets not forget about P411. How many thousands of guys look at Eros, P411, BP, Eccie, and TER and don't know or care about RTP? I'd venture more than some of you all realize.
This will probably piss a lot of St. Louisians off but oh well... The St. Louis hobby scene is in decline because St. Louis is in decline. Ferguson was just a negative blurp on an already down trending situation. St. Louis is no longer a major national metropolitan destination city, its just a regional city on a downward spiral. Crime is increasing and increasingly spreading out of the ghetto. Now its looking like you'll probably lose your football team as well. You have an "international" airport that is basically what half empty, and is no longer a major air hub for any of the main airlines. Some have argued that the lose of TWA signaled the start of your downward trend. Then there was the Inbev deal which brought on a blood letting that impacted not only AB employees but also many of the local suppliers and service companies that built there business around supplying needed things and services to AB. Those are just a few examples. Also while St. Louis still gets many business travelers, the lose of the air hub and the local economic decline has reduced the number significantly and many of those business travelers don't have the money to spend like they used to either. I would argue that the above and other related factors have had a much bigger impact on the hobby scene than any action by Recap and any other board.
On a side note, I do agree with Crowley that WYP has some interesting potential and possibilities. The thing is many guys chose to see professional escorts to minimize the hassle and drama of getting sex. You see an escort that you want to meet, you review her screening guidelines, send her your screening info or do a P411 request, finalize the details and you're set. In my experience on the whole, the "hassle" and "flake" factor with WYP is much higher than that. The same could also be said for my experience with "BP" girls a higher hassle and flake factor than I really want to deal with.
Actually you have to be a girl to know what's really going on.All you know is what you may be told by a few providers.Contrary to what you believe there are more clients that don't look at review sites than do so you are only judging by a small percentage.
For most guys this is an impulse buy not a hobby. Business is in fact picking up per usual for this time of year.
Question: How could you possibly have any idea of the number of ladies Aces may or may not be seeing.Just cause he doesn't feel the need to post does not mean he isn't active.
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You kind of have to actually see girls and be in the trenches to know a little of what's going on.....anything else is just a spectator watching the game and giving his opinion on what is and what isn't, but in reality knowing nothing of what's really happening....just further confusing the situation. Do what you do best.
I don't think it has to do with UTR so much as the cheap prices you can get. You can get a bunch of girls for 80 but only one for 200.
I maintain a private residence that is clean and comfortable not a hotel room anymore. Of course my prices are gonna be higher but your also gonna have a great time in a private residence with all the comforts.
Dallas, plenty of guys still want us even though we are priced higher than most bp come and go's.
I consider the men who pay our prices top notch clients because they know what they are getting and they don't complain about it. I personally go the extra mile for these clients.
Of course, age is big factor, all the bp ones lately are younger and easily swayed.
No fly by nights here!
I appoligize in advance incase I am mistaken , but dont you regularly post $50 specials on BP. I don't look there as much as I used to, so I could be wrong.
It's always slow this time of year and always picks up with a combo of the Cardinals and tax refunds lol. Don't listen to the wanna know but doesn't cause he's not a provider ho- bbiest.
RXO, do you have a provider showcase , or some reviews , or something ?
I appoligize in advance incase I am mistaken , but dont you regularly post $50 specials on BP. I don't look there as much as I used to, so I could be wrong.
Yes i do, that is my Short On Time special and nothing more. Read my website and will get a better idea.
Jannisary you are right about the economic issues. You could have added the tearing down of Pruitt Igoe and subsequent relocation oh HUD housing to the north county. Search the term white flight, I'm sure you will see what I am referring to. Some of the "locals" know what is going on, not from research BTW.
What the impact of the local opinion board has been you either have your head misplaced or refuse to admit the negative crap that goes on??? I know that you are a wheel there and have been a long time hobbyist, I respect that. Obviously you are too vested in it to admit what is going on. The $50.00 a month investment in fees and the feeling of importance in being "verified" there has fooled plenty. I have only scratched the surface of the reasons it spoils the local waters.
Have a great beautiful weekend all, Aces
Edit; By the way it is apparent that "facts" get in the way of your promotions Recap. If you don't understand what I am saying or feel I am wrong feel free to present some. Your fairy tails and personal attacks of those "stalking" you has become STALE. You are a detriment to those you review, think about that.
Jannisary you are right about the economic issues. You could have added the tearing down of Pruitt Igoe and subsequent relocation oh HUD housing to the north county. Search the term white flight, I'm sure you will see what I am referring to. Some of the "locals" know what is going on, not from research BTW.
I know what white flight is Aces. White flight has been an issue in STL for decades, though now its not just "white" flight but pretty much most of the middle class. People moved from the city to the original collar suburbs, from the original collar suburbs out to suburbs farther west and now from those out to far west county and into St. Charles County. It is not just as simple as blaming the closing of Pruitt Igoe and the moving of HUD housing to north county. Yes it is a factor, but then so to is the tendency of people who have the means to find it easier to pickup and move into a new developing suburb than stay and deal with the malfunctions and dysfunction growing in their local governments, schools etc.
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What the impact of the local opinion board has been you either have your head misplaced or refuse to admit the negative crap that goes on??? I know that you are a wheel there and have been a long time hobbyist, I respect that. Obviously you are too vested in it to admit what is going on. The $50.00 a month investment in fees and the feeling of importance in being "verified" there has fooled plenty. I have only scratched the surface of the reasons it spoils the local waters.
Aces, the place isn't perfect but it is not hell either. I'm not a "wheel" there either. You don't even have the membership fee right, it is $50 a YEAR. If you want to expound on the problems you feel are caused by that board, go for it, though I have a feeling the mods here may not care to see the old RTP arguments again.
This might piss some escorts off too, oh well.. but honestly an escort who blames a hobby board for her not being able to make a good go of it needs to find a new line of work or at least a new way of conducting business. The boards are not the be all and end all of the sex work business. That is something you and Recap seem to have in common, you both are under the delusion that the boards have more power than they really do.
I've watched the Saint Louis scene for nearly 20 years now. As it is now, it almost always has been. But, I've also hobbied all over the country. This has always been a slow town compared to Chicago, DC, Atlanta or the entire state of Texas. For example, Dallas routinely will have several hundred P411 listings on any given day, and 90% have logged on in the last 48 hours.
Like elsewhere, however, the local boards ....such as they are...tended to be dominated by one or two dominant personalities on the male side of the house. Be careful gentlemen if you are one of them. In DC, one found himself outed by a vengeful provider who felt he'd ruined her reputation.
My impression is Saint Louis is dominated by the "new girl" effect. Someone gets started, or tours here for the first time, and every swinging dick goes and sees her. Subsequent tours see a steady trailing off of business (even with stellar reviews) and eventually that provider stops touring here. That gets reinforced by the relatively small hobbyist base here with disposable income. Locals struggle mightily after that initial wave sets false expectations of what business will be like. Then the price pressure kicks in a vain attempt to make up the lost earnings with volume.
My impression is Saint Louis is dominated by the "new girl" effect.
I've referred to it elsewhere as "the flavor of the week" phenomenon, but yes, you are right about that I think. It's not just an STL phenomenon (the Arkansas forums here were just rotten with it when I was hanging out there years ago... may still be, for all I know).
The same is true with the limited hobby base and limited disposable income to hobby with. Seems to me that's what's pretty much killing the hobby in Memphis recently. And I'm sure things are only going to get worse, rather than better.
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