Common Respect

[acescracked]

Originally Posted by BridgetteKelly

Can I just add this...

We are NOT selling t-shirts off the clearance rack... this is not the PRICELINE of hobbying and donations are not "SET BY HOBBYISTS". I read an UGLY reply on a review that was recently posted. I couldn't believe the bs I was seeing...

We are LADIES and we provide a service that is not OWED to anybody. NOBODY can tell me what my body is worth but ME and I want to throw up in my mouth when I see a guy post some shit saying THEY are the reason we do this and we'd pretty much be nothing without them and that we charge what they "let" us charge. No sir... you're quite lucky a hot young lady is willing to do the things you're obviously not getting enough of in your personal life. There is ALWAYS the option of grabbing the Jergens if you're having a hard time with being a GENTLEMAN

If you want me to dry up like the sahara, then by all means, keep on with the ugly posts on reviews haggling ladies about their donations. Or you can just move on to the next ad and save face, because I promise... I'm adding gents to my DNS list left and right based on the crap they post on these boards and I guarantee I'm not the only one...

We are PROVIDING A SERVICE strictly by choice. We are not in a 3rd world country and I don't owe anybody shit but some bill money maybe! What would a hobbyist be without providers?? AN ANGRY MAN!!!

Nice post, I can't tell you how many times I have expressed this. BUT you are likely a dying breed, the new providers don't seem to get this as well as the new hobbyist. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being civil and respectful, for both parties. It is your right and your business to do with it what you please. If it goes sideways the provider will have to change strategies or fold up shop. Bad reviews will follow like the plague.

The hobbyist on the other hand, being anonymous, can reinvent themselves until found out again. I see negative comments in a thread by hobbyist who have never met a provider or never been reviewed yet. Attacks on price, appearance and menu before arriving, REALLY. Remember to think before hitting send, kind of like twitter once it is out there. Bad, negative posts can make or break that possible next great visit!!!

[MOCHAakaMOCHA]

*loud slow claps* this should have high double digit likes tbh. lol

Originally Posted by BridgetteKelly

Can I just add this...

We are NOT selling t-shirts off the clearance rack... this is not the PRICELINE of hobbying and donations are not "SET BY HOBBYISTS". I read an UGLY reply on a review that was recently posted. I couldn't believe the bs I was seeing...

We are LADIES and we provide a service that is not OWED to anybody. NOBODY can tell me what my body is worth but ME and I want to throw up in my mouth when I see a guy post some shit saying THEY are the reason we do this and we'd pretty much be nothing without them and that we charge what they "let" us charge. No sir... you're quite lucky a hot young lady is willing to do the things you're obviously not getting enough of in your personal life. There is ALWAYS the option of grabbing the Jergens if you're having a hard time with being a GENTLEMAN

If you want me to dry up like the sahara, then by all means, keep on with the ugly posts on reviews haggling ladies about their donations. Or you can just move on to the next ad and save face, because I promise... I'm adding gents to my DNS list left and right based on the crap they post on these boards and I guarantee I'm not the only one...

We are PROVIDING A SERVICE strictly by choice. We are not in a 3rd world country and I don't owe anybody shit but some bill money maybe! What would a hobbyist be without providers?? AN ANGRY MAN!!!

[Monica13]

I agree, so well said and exactly how i feel also. I could not have said it better.

[gigi_gypsy]

Ok, yet another fine lady comes through St. Louis and she is greeted with a lot of NC/NS and cancellations.Really guys???? WTF???

Us ladies talk and take into consideration where to visit based on what other ladies say. St. Louis will start getting a reputation of not being a good city to visit and then not many ladies will come through.

[DallasRain]

Yep GiGi..thanks for that comment Miss Sexy! So True!!

St Louis USED to be a great town to tour...now it is starting to get "sucky".......Last visit was good except for an asshole who tripped to rip me off and a couple nc/ns.This time is not even gonna "make any kinda bank".

There are some great guys here...but this week they must all be AWOL...lol!


Guess this town has been taken over by the BP gals who don't care how they do business or treat the great guys here!

There are some real treasures on this board...yall guys need to realize what yall have right in your own backyard...and there are some hot & reputable gals visiting regularly.....Please let them know they are appreciated!!

[Monica13]

seems a lot of guys just want the lowest price they can get and pick that over quality then they bitch and moan about how bad it was. You get what you pay for so if your a cheap ass expect cheap ass service.

[beyondthere]

New to this board but, not new to the hobby world. I took an interest in this thread because I will be visiting St. Louis next week and I am perusing the heartbeat of the scene here and researching ladies to see.

In regards to Crystal's topic:
IMHO common courtesy and respect is on the decline as a whole for us human folks. I think technology has a big impact on this. How often do we really communicate with others face to face or even by phone these days.

Email, pm's, texts, twitter etc., seem to decrease the intimacy and respect of basic communications. How many of us have sent or said something through these venues that we would not have said face to face to the people we sent them to?
Public media has become an easy way for us to vent in what I feel is an inappropriate manner. Like dumping my shit pile in your lap so to speak.

Also the amount that we are on our phones, computers etc., seems to put me in lala land and I am not truly present with what is going on with me or with you. Therefore I tend to react to people and situations rather than respond when I am in lala land.

Common courtesy and respect are important. So is COMPASSION!

Bridgette I singled out your post for numerous reasons that I will comment on.

Originally Posted by BridgetteKelly

Can I just add this...

I disagree. Before the crash in 2008 providers rates were escalating with the economy ( extra money in gents pockets to spend?). After the crash in 08' there was less play money for gents and provider rates went down as a reflection of this.
Basic Economics: Supply vs. demand.
In a major city right now there has been an ongoing push by the gents to lower rates in their city and it is being very successful. They are not willing to see providers charging over X and most of the ladies over X are now lowering their rates and running a lot of specials.
So the gents (HOBBYISTS) do influence and can even set the rates because it is being done right now.
Cities with a lot of providers create more competition so rates are lower in those cities. So basic economics are setting the rates there.
(So you may think you are setting your rate but the reality is economics is what is setting your rate. If not why not charge $1000.00 an hour for your time? Hmmm?)

You are correct you can charge what you want but, again simple economics will really set your pricing structure. ( I prefer water based lube over Jergens for masturbation) If it is a choice between a less than stellar provider and masturbation, I choose masturbation. ( At least I have a guarantee of knowing what I am going to get.)

Please put me on your Do Not See list!

"What would a hobbyist be without providers?? AN ANGRY MAN!!!"

Really??? Come on now. Do you think you really have that much power over us. Whether I have providers available to see in my life or not has no influence over whether I am angry or not. (Hobbying and providers do not make the top 50 of what is important in life)

Remember hobbying/providers are a luxury item in life not a necessity. (Well at least for most of us)

Ps. Ladies. Some of you are savy and have a plan for what to do after getting out of the hobby. For the ones that don't please develop a plan for when it is time to leave this lifestyle. Not many can do this for long periods of their lives. ( I do care what happens to you and where you end up at in this journey called life) Compassion

[Rxo]

If the city you 're talking about is St Louis you're wrong to assume the RTP guys are setting the rates for the whole scene.There are many more clients in St Louis than those guys and they are paying fair rates of $200 to $300 an hour plus tips for mid tier girls and more for upper end Eros types.And abiding by provider rules.There are unfortunately some new young providers being persuaded by Recap to lower their rates and standards.The rest of the lower rates on BP are traveling pimp girls who are rip offs with fake pics and rates.Also you may be able to live happily without a providers assistance but many guys cannot so please don't presume to speak for everyone.

[beyondthere]

Originally Posted by Rxo

If the city you 're talking about is St Louis you're wrong to assume the RTP guys are setting the rates for the whole scene.There are many more clients in St Louis than those guys and they are paying fair rates of $200 to $300 an hour plus tips for mid tier girls and more for upper end Eros types.And abiding by provider rules.There are unfortunately some new young providers being persuaded by Recap to lower their rates and standards.The rest of the lower rates on BP are traveling pimp girls who are rip offs with fake pics and rates.Also you may be able to live happily without a providers assistance but many guys cannot so please don't presume to speak for everyone.

The city I referred to is NOT St. Louis.

One person (Whoever Recap is) is not going to have much if any impact on rates.

I stated MOST gents don't need providers. The emphasis is on need (necessity ). They are not the equivalent to water, food, roof over the head, taking care of family financials, spiritual upkeep, etc. etc.

If you cannot live happily without a providers assistance then I suggest you look deep within and figure out what that is about.

[hiking1978]

Originally Posted by beyondthere

New to this board but, not new to the hobby world. I took an interest in this thread because I will be visiting St. Louis next week and I am perusing the heartbeat of the scene here and researching ladies to see.

In regards to Crystal's topic:
IMHO common courtesy and respect is on the decline as a whole for us human folks. I think technology has a big impact on this. How often do we really communicate with others face to face or even by phone these days.

Email, pm's, texts, twitter etc., seem to decrease the intimacy and respect of basic communications. How many of us have sent or said something through these venues that we would not have said face to face to the people we sent them to?
Public media has become an easy way for us to vent in what I feel is an inappropriate manner. Like dumping my shit pile in your lap so to speak.

Also the amount that we are on our phones, computers etc., seems to put me in lala land and I am not truly present with what is going on with me or with you. Therefore I tend to react to people and situations rather than respond when I am in lala land.

Common courtesy and respect are important. So is COMPASSION!

Bridgette I singled out your post for numerous reasons that I will comment on.



"What would a hobbyist be without providers?? AN ANGRY MAN!!!"

Really??? Come on now. Do you think you really have that much power over us. Whether I have providers available to see in my life or not has no influence over whether I am angry or not. (Hobbying and providers do not make the top 50 of what is important in life)

Remember hobbying/providers are a luxury item in life not a necessity. (Well at least for most of us)

Ps. Ladies. Some of you are savy and have a plan for what to do after getting out of the hobby. For the ones that don't please develop a plan for when it is time to leave this lifestyle. Not many can do this for long periods of their lives. ( I do care what happens to you and where you end up at in this journey called life) Compassion

This guy says he is "New to the board". He is in fact not. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that he has had a previous handle which was -
*Staff Edit - JCM


He also mentions common courtesy and respect, as well as compassion multiple times. I do not believe that posting defamatory "speculative" medical info of mine in the NM men's lounge was respectful or done with the slight bit of courtesy. Also it was not compassionate of this guy to freely state he has my real world info and freely give it out to whoever asks. I'm working with LE to go after this guy and a provider who gave the stuff to him, as I have had attempted break ins at my residence from it.


Ladies, read up on this guy. He is a very seedy person in the hobby world.

[bn_hot]

Originally Posted by Monica13

seems a lot of guys just want the lowest price they can get and pick that over quality then they bitch and moan about how bad it was. You get what you pay for so if your a cheap ass expect cheap ass service.

IMHO, you and the other local providers are the ones setting the effective rates for time, I think the visitors to the area would do much better if they noticed what you're rates are because I have no interest in spending more for less

[DallasRain]

I am a touring provider who visits St Louis...I feel my rates are lower than most..especially for what I offer! But I chose my donation tier...and ONLY I can edit it!
A guy has a choice...if ya want it,then pay it! If ya don't want to pay it,don't pay it {and go see Rosie and her four sisters}...lol
Their is so much "price & quality" variations on this board,so therefore there will ALWAYS be somebody to fit your "budget/needs & wants"!!

[bn_hot]

Didn't mean to group you in with the travelers I was referring to. Guess I was too loose with my word selection.

You and a few others are in town enough that I don't think of you as travelers, more like irregular locals

Rather than confront a provider because I don't feel that 400 or 600 or whatever is worth it for their time, I just don't call. Then I read about it later how they don't like the area because they didn't get any calls or whatever. Makes me feel like I'm part of the problem on why they don't like St. Louis.

Back to the point of this thread... common respect is a two way street. Providers shouldn't tell me I suck because I don't jump to pay their special above market rate, and I won't say the providers suck because their rate is out of line.

As to the mongers asking Monica for a 75% off deal... good luck with that.

Not trying to start anything here, sorry if I did, it wasn't intentional