Gentlemen, we have a problem

[livn2do]

Have any of you noticed the lack of established and reputable provider activity on the Iowa board? We are quickly becoming known as a group of junior varsity hobbiest because we all seem to feed on backpage bait. I'm as guilty as the next guy. There have been threads about subjects such as problems with providers getting answers on reference checks and others even requiring reference checks, cbj vs bbj, pre-booking, etc.

I was speaking to a fellow hobbiest this afternoon and also a verified and reputable provider and both felt that we, collectively speaking have gotten the reputation of choosing our 1/2 to 1 hour girlfriends based on price and nothing else. In other words we have become backpage driven.

Personally I was offended initially but once I though about it, I realized that they were right and even more disheartening to myself was that I have participated and maybe even encouraged it to some extent.

When I first started out, I lived on backpage because I didn't know any better but it was through this board (eccie) and a few sincere reputable providers who took the time to school me that I learned about real, long term, quality providers who are consistent and give exceptional service at a fair price. No negotiating needed, its all out there for anyone to see. The difference between spending $300 an hour to $200 per hour or in a lot of cases even less then that was not a concern because if you pick by money you'll lose the majority of the time. The concern. The main motivating factor was is she reputable, is she professional, is she willing to give me what I need. The answer 9 times out of 10 is yes, the reputable, established provider is, the backpage fly by night on the other hand is a huge gamble.

Its time to take my demons out for a walk. I know I'm a hypocrite when it comes to this subject. I'm addicted to hobbying. I'm addicted to seeing woman who are miles and miles out of my league who would not give me a second look let alone the time of day if I ran into them in public. Those women are the very reason I'm broke. But it is also those woman who have kept me sane over these past few years. Fuck yeah it's been worth it. I look at it this way. Backpage has its place. There are reputable providers who use it when they travel to let people know that they are in town. As one provider recently told me..."Everyone looks at backpage" I don't dispute that. But we seem to treat backpage like the Wal-Mart for hooker pussy. The quality just isn't there, we complain about it but then we just keep going back again and again because hey, she's a bargain. Again, I've fallen for it but in doing so, every time I spend a penny on a backpage chick thats taking money out of the pocket of a reputable provider who might otherwise travel here or one of our local providers who seem to be disappearing faster and faster since we've started buying foreign instead of domestic.

Ive learned a lot on this board, and I dig hanging around but I think as a group of hobbiest we must get away from backpage and first and foremost support our local ladies and established traveling ladies, otherwise all we'll be left with is the proverbial dump-bin of b sides who come and go. Hobbying is risky but you can limit that risk by sticking with verified, proven, reputable providers. Maybe you get a craving for street meat every now and then or all you see is street meat. If that's your decision then don't get upset when a verified reputable provider refuses to see you because you have no references from any providers of any caliber. Lets be honest. Most backpage girls do not stick around. They do it because they see dollar signs, quick and easy money but they disappear as quickly as they come on the scene. Are there exceptions, sure but they are few and far between. There are other providers, those who have paid their dues. Those that have earned their reputations and work their tails off to make their clients happy and keep their clients who do this long term. This is their livelihood. This isn't about competition as those reputable providers don't view backpage girls as competition. Their just a nusense because they will undoubtedly led some of us a stray on occasion which in turn cost them money and leaves us thinking.."Why the hell did I spend that on her when I could of gotten the same thing, 100 times better from so and so" At least that's how I normally feel whenever I venture to the dark side, otherwise known as backpage. Pussy buyer remorse.

I don't expect to change anyone's hooker pussy buying habits. Who the fuck am I. I'm just simply sharing a revelation that kicked me in the balls today. Maybe some newbie to this world can learn from my fuck ups.

John Wayne said "Never apologize mister, it's a sign of weakness". Well I guess I'm weak then because I would like to apologize for falling prey to backpage and if I have done anything, be it a review, a comment or even a like that has steered another hobbiest toward that black hole and cost a dues paid, reputable and verified provider a single penny, I am deeply sorry for that.

Let the flaming begin. I'm out.

[les123]

livn I see where you're coming from here. Trouble is I'm part of the problem. I have never seen one of the verified local gals. It has something to do with my insecurity. You see I'm somewhat of a newbie and I don't want to screw up my chances of finding a local ATF that is reliable. Pretty F'd up huh. Think it's about time for me to pony up.

[IABart]

I dunno Livn, I think every community feeds on BP bait, I don't think "we" are any more "guilty" than any other board. Reputable providers will post on BP, only they screen. There are others who are regular advertisers, there are fly-by-nights, and scams.

When I started, I only saw DC and 411 girls. Now that I'm trying to cut back or get out, I don't belong to the screening sites so I can't see who's coming through and I can't prove verification. So I peruse BP. And I will say, I have had enough successes where it makes me want to go back. I have been ripped off once, but generally I have found some quality companionship-sometimes even moreso than the traveling girl.

I have viewed the problem more one of, "Des Moines is hot, get in while you can," and then the competition is absolutely fierce.

Wise providers, 411 or bp, know "the biz is based on regulars." If you're a quality provider, local, out-of-state, and you have regulars, you're good. If you're new, then yeah, I have passed on quality traveling girls asking $$$ when I know my bp bud is coming up for $ and is known and will give as good an experience. A year ago I would've been in for the P411 girl but now, if she's not the type I like, I pass, plain and simple. The simple fact is, for me, the girls on BP right now are more the type I like. If Bella or Kat or Kaylea or Heather come through, different story.

It is a market driven economy, and the market is saturated right now. Why some of the "regular" girls aren't showing, who knows? We also all know, "the hot newbie" is gonna generate interest. One girl last year told me, "my first 3 times it was unbelievable, I was the new one and everyone wanted to see me. Now it's really just a few regulars like you and a couple new guys."

Just how it goes-girls not wanting to give refs just goes to show how competitive it is.

I think we have a fine reputation as being nice guys, keep our appointments, safe, and have a nice time. You see the new providers post thanks after thanks for the hospitality.

[vegasbaby7]

Many good points on both sides. Like you IAB, I'm definitely not rich. If I can't have fun locally for 3 bills or less (preferably less even more so now as I didn't lose my job but I'm taking roughly an $8-9000 cut this year) then I just won't be having fun. I've never ventured to see a BP lady & 99.99% sure I never will unless she's been reviewed several times on here by guys I see post here regularly. Not even sure how much fun I'll be able to have now. Still trying to figure out what I can & can't do at my new income level. And wondering if this change will be short term, permanent, or somewhere in between. No Vegas trips for awhile anyway.
Sorry to wander off subject. It seems to me "we" must have a pretty good reputation with touring ladies as there seem to be as many or more as there ever has been in my short "career". Maybe the abundance of touring ladies has hurt the local ladies business? In my case the local lady hurt her own business by NCNS me every time. $#!T happens but seriously she couldn't call or text me 4 consecutive times? WTF EVER! Sorry wandering again.
One comment I have regarding local ladies. Until Shayla moved here rarely if EVER do they post on this board other than in the provider ads or the weekend lineup. Wondering why that is? Maybe because we're a smaller community than KC, OK, & of course the TX locations but those boards seem to be more FUN! Of course more drama comes with that fun too so maybe I shouldn't complain. Most of us probably hobby to eliminate drama lol.
Guess I'm just saying it would be nice to get to know local ladies & their personalities through posting here.
Enough rambling for now.

[normalguy21]

Well thought out are shoot from the hip ?? I look at back page i have seen providers off back page .Half the verified providers i know and have seen started on Bp .last sept not to name any names but it will give a idea to the point of the matter a over night from a very unknown at the time . Now a very poupluar provider was 6 bills .Today 10 months later its twenty five hundred from $$ a hour to $$$1/2 .I like her and guess what when i get the chance i cough it up. For me even though like stated above by livin the hobby has kept me sane sometimes and definitely hit my mad money . So back to well thought out are shoot from the hip ?? meaning plan a head and book a well reviewed traveling provider and commit to the date and time .Are act on impulse ?? I think for me that is the diffrence on where i shop . And to comment on jhon wayne . one of my favorite actors .but still just a actor a guy who changed his real name to be more appealing . So livin thanks for being a stand up guy . If we start a section are thread of who we most would like to see maybe compile a list providers willing to come here . And poll the local hobby guys then the providers are just as us not in the dark of the b.p bs .Im just saying

[normalguy21]

Remember by this time of the night the booze might be typing with me .

[livn2do]

I've always said from day one that I will never participate in a meet and greet. To risky in my mind and I really don't want anyone to know who I am even though I'm nobody I still have roots here. Maybe its time for something like that. Maybe its a stupid idea. I don't know, just thinking outside the box.
Vegas & IB, I'm in the same boat. For the 1st time in a long, long time I have to really be conscience of where my money goes cause its just not flowing in like it used to. Not even close. Not sure how I'm going to be feeding my addiction going forward.

[target]

I've had some pretty great times from backpage and p411.

[cafrankia]

In my opinion everyone is looking for the best bang for their buck (slight pun intended) So what I see is that if you look at the provider page for an average week here on eccie you see maybe 5 to 10 girls for all of Iowa slim pickings at best so even if you say 85% of the providers on Bp are fake that still leaves 5 to 10 girls a day per area to choose from and a lot of the girls here on eccie advertise on Bp anyway I don't think it is a matter of the cost as much choice and variety I mean why go to the corner store when looking for a steak when you now they only have 1 or 2 kinds that cost more when you can go to the supper market and chose from a dozen different kinds that cost less? With that said biggest problem I think is more providers have not been educated about ECCIE so if more of us hobbyists enlighten the Bp girls we visit then the problem with solve itself.

[luvaffair74]

All of you bring up very interesting points. I for one started on bp, it was the first place I had heard of to start looking into the hobby. I too daily peruse bp just to see what's out there. I will say that alot or most of the girls that post on here or other sites also post on bp so really whats the difference. If I look at someone on bp it generally because the talent thats coming through doesn't really trip my trigger or I need a break from my normal local scene, and I'm looking for something else. With that being said I would never set up a date on bp unless someone I know from here had seen them and reviewed.
I mean lets be honest some of us are busy. We don't have alot of free time from work, family, ect. I don't always know when I'm going to be free so for me to try to set up some pre-book with a girl a week or 2 in advance doesn't work to often for me. As many of you know I also don't like to do that because alot of them cancel or have to reschedule as well and I don't know about you but I don't like to look forward to something only to receive nothing. This is where bp comes in handy, limited notice, they are already in town, can find reviews on them, generally price points are friendlier.

I do not discriminate, I will see locals, touring or verified bp, hell I'll let a chick suck my dick if I'm out at a bar and the offer comes along. For me it all depends on the circumstances, do they offer what I want, are they my type, are they available when I am, can I afford their services, do I fell safe, If I answer yes to these questions then I have made my decision and it doesn't matter to me where I found out about them, here there or anywhere.

[vegasbaby7]

Originally Posted by livn2do

I've always said from day one that I will never participate in a meet and greet. To risky in my mind and I really don't want anyone to know who I am even though I'm nobody I still have roots here. Maybe its time for something like that. Maybe its a stupid idea. I don't know, just thinking outside the box.
Vegas & IB, I'm in the same boat. For the 1st time in a long, long time I have to really be conscience of where my money goes cause its just not flowing in like it used to. Not even close. Not sure how I'm going to be feeding my addiction going forward.

I'd be up for a Meet'nGreet. DM seems to be the obvious location but open to ideas. Would need to be a Friday or Saturday to accommodate travel I'm assuming. As some may remember I was hoping to organize one some time ago. Long story lol. Would/could be a lot of fun imho.
Gotta love this amazing Obama economy! Oh yah I forgot, this is still ALL Bush's fault. Obama's got someone other than himself to blame for everything HE has f'd up.

[indexec]

I am all for supporting the local talent but in this business variety is why I stay. New pussy comes along and I need to check it out. I don't mind hittin the same thing once in a while but not everytime. And some long time locals aren't always available when I have time so I go else where. I not much for standing in line at a restaurant. If there is a line or it is closed there is always another place to eat. Same in this business. There is always someone willing to open her mouth and spread her legs.
I have frequented several bp girls in the past and agree.It’s a crap shoot.Some are okay, some are nothing but thieves.
I have sworn off being the first to try a new bp client.If I cannot find a review by searching their phone number then I no longer will schedule.When I find a bp girl has a review and the review indicates her menu is what I am looking for then I may consider.They have to fit my body type also
As for references.I will give any provider my eccie handle, she can research on her own,I have plenty of reviews.If she chooses not to do the research then it is her loss of funds.There are plenty of girls that fit my type and have the menu that I am looking for, I don’t care if they advertise on bp or eccie.
Some of the great ones I have seen got started on bp, the ones that come to mind are April Steele, Jenessa, Cali Holiday, and the other day I met Nadia, in fact the 1st meeting was so good for the donation I went back the next day and hit it a couple more times.
I wish all new girls would set up a profile on eccie but that is not going to happen.
If we all would review bp girls both good and bad experiences we could eliminate a lot of heartache for our fellow hobbyist.I for one do not do a lot of bad reviews, probably should.
Now that I only frequent girls with reviews I have very few bad experiences.
I agree with the car analogy,a cheap car is not always the best ride but there are some cheap ones that I get good mileage out of and as far as I am concerned I am there for one thing,“Getting Wally into Beaver”.And an expensive beaver is no guarantee it will be great.
Local girls that have been in the business for a while and feel they need a higher rate maybe should throw us old boys a deal once in a while to get us back.A special every once in a while goes a long ways toward future business.Every bar has a happy hour.

[lycurgus]

I agree with Slickahhughs. Most of the so-called quality providers (Talia Rose and Princess Alexandra Da Silva for two examples) started as Backpage girls. Backpage is kind of the only place to shop for a wide variety of girls since Craigslist stopped their "Eros" section and with the demise of Escorts.com and the almost terminal decline of Bigdoggie. Sometimes you can find a real gem on Backpage. I have had pretty good success sticking with providers with local area code numbers and checking the alerts sections from Eccie and the other site. I have learned to stay away from Twin Cities area code providers.

[normalguy21]

Originally Posted by lycurgus

I agree with Slickahhughs. Most of the so-called quality providers (Talia Rose and Princess Alexandra Da Silva for two examples) started as Backpage girls. Backpage is kind of the only place to shop for a wide variety of girls since Craigslist stopped their "Eros" section and with the demise of Escorts.com and the almost terminal decline of Bigdoggie. Sometimes you can find a real gem on Backpage. I have had pretty good success sticking with providers with local area code numbers and checking the alerts sections from Eccie and the other site. I have learned to stay away from Twin Cities area code providers.

Thanks- we kinda think alike . The comment about the twin cities has me going hummm ??? im going there this weekend .Thanks

[IABart]

Heather Hemingway started on BP...many have, and many still post there as was mentioned. I wonder if it's a "provider v escort" rift or what the deal is?

In any case, each of us is responsible for our actions and our carefulness