Only hours away...Obamacare

[JD Barleycorn]

In just a few hours Obamacare will fail to reach another milestone...except that Obama has postponed so many milestones who knows.

7 million, then 5 million, and now they're claiming 6 million. I've even heard some White House loon say that they're going to get to 10 million. Talk about sovietizing the numbers. Lets call if five million though there is no proof for or against that number but it has been bandied about. The insurance companies are saying that 20% of that number have not paid yet and therefore have no health insurance so it becomes 4 million. Of the 4 million the insurance companies are saying that almost 80% of those enrolled ALREADY had health insurance which takes the number to less than 1 million. So after over a trillion dollars and tearing the country apart Obama has insured 1 million people out of those 45 million without health insurance. Yeah, break out the champagne.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

In just a few hours Obamacare will fail to reach another milestone...except that Obama has postponed so many milestones who knows.

7 million, then 5 million, and now they're claiming 6 million. I've even heard some White House loon say that they're going to get to 10 million. Talk about sovietizing the numbers. Lets call if five million though there is no proof for or against that number but it has been bandied about. The insurance companies are saying that 20% of that number have not paid yet and therefore have no health insurance so it becomes 4 million. Of the 4 million the insurance companies are saying that almost 80% of those enrolled ALREADY had health insurance which takes the number to less than 1 million. So after over a trillion dollars and tearing the country apart Obama has insured 1 million people out of those 45 million without health insurance. Yeah, break out the champagne.

You are missing the BET Awards...

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

So after over a trillion dollars and tearing the country apart Obama has insured 1 million people out of those 45 million without health insurance.

1. The ACA is two parts. The private plans sold on the exchanges and for the family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 you will get the Expanded State Medicaid. Millions will get the State Medicaid. Go take a look at Red State Kentucky. A lot of families have qualified for the State Medicaid.

2. The Trillion that will be spent is over a 10 year period, you IDIOT.

3. The CBO projects that by 2019, 25 million of that 45 million will be insured. So, it is projected that 20 will remain uninsured. These people fall into three categories. There are about 10 million illegal immigrants who do not qualify for Obamacare or the Expanded State Medicaid. Not all states excepted the Expanded State Medicaid. Some people will fall into the Medicaid gap ( For example in Alabama, you have to make less than $11,000 to get the State Medicaid, so if you make less than $24,000 and more that $11,000, you will be in the GAP and you won't be insured). Some people will choose not be insured. If your state excepted the Expanded State Medicaid then there will not be a gap, like Kentucky.

4. It does not matter if the risk pool has 2 million or 8 million policy holders. The health insurance companies want to see a mixture of low risk and high risk people, that is the key. As long as there is a mixture the Health Insurance companies will continue to sell polices on the government exchanges. The CEO of Aetna said so on CNBC ( you know the cable channel with stock ticker running at the bottom).

5. The jury is still out on Obamacare until 2019. You won't be able to judge success or failure until 2019.

6. JD, remember your crude explanation of health insurance? The life boat that you were talking about has been expanded. People with pre-existing conditions can now purchase health insurance if they want to. If you get sick your health insurance company can't drop you. Children can stay insured on their parents plan up until age 26.

7. Part D had rollout problems as well. Bush pushed out the signup date all the way to December. Part D cost 800 Billion, just to help people pay for medications they can't afford.

8. Last thing JD, you lie almost as much as Whirly.

[CuteOldGuy]

It's a failure now, Fluffy. A clusterfuck of Biblical proportions. It won't last until 2019.

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It won't last until 2019.

COF, The Nutty Professor, the ACA will go forward as long as the Health Insurance companies continue to sell policies on the government exchanges. You may not be aware of this but the Federal Government is backing up the Health Insurance companies for three years. What does this mean? If the insurance companies loose money on policies sold on the exchanges they will be reimbursed by the Government. Any excess profit made will be returned to the government. This arrangement stops in 2017. In 2017 the Health Insurance companies will be on their own and will have make a decision if they want keep selling policies on the exchanges. Senator Rubio has been trying to get this arrangement removed but has not been able to do so. FYI, Part D had the same thing. Study up professor.

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

1. The ACA is two parts. The private plans sold on the exchanges and for the family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 you will get the Expanded State Medicaid. Millions will get the State Medicaid. Go take a look at Red State Kentucky. A lot of families have qualified for the State Medicaid. So isn't Medicaid a already existing program? Why spend more administrative money to replace something that already existed? Go ask Obama I guess is your answer.

2. The Trillion that will be spent is over a 10 year period, you IDIOT. A trillion is a trillion isn't it? So who is the real idiot if you don't understand that?

3. The CBO projects that by 2019, 25 million of that 45 million will be insured. So, it is projected that 20 will remain uninsured. These people fall into three categories. There are about 10 million illegal immigrants who do not qualify for Obamacare or the Expanded State Medicaid. (if this is true then why are they signing up people at Mexican consulates?) Just another Obama lie. Don't pay in and get free stuff. Not all states excepted the Expanded State Medicaid. Some people will fall into the Medicaid gap ( For example in Alabama, you have to make less than $11,000 to get the State Medicaid, so if you make less than $24,000 and more that $11,000, you will be in the GAP and you won't be insured). Some people will choose not be insured. A change that makes no difference is not a change. Many people NOW choose not to have insurance. So what was the point? Just to fuck with people? If your state excepted the Expanded State Medicaid then there will not be a gap, like Kentucky. Try telling the whole truth. If a state accepted the "aid" by year five that "aid" disappeared and the state was stuck with the full bill. Nothing more than a drug dealer ploy but then I guess that qualifies the Dealer in Chief.

4. It does not matter if the risk pool has 2 million or 8 million policy holders. Actually it makes a lot of difference. The more you can spread the risk the better according to the White House. Econ 101. The health insurance companies want to see a mixture of low risk and high risk people, that is the key. As long as there is a mixture the Health Insurance companies will continue to sell polices on the government exchanges. The CEO of Aetna said so on CNBC ( you know the cable channel with stock ticker running at the bottom). I see the letters NBC here and that kind of disqualifies their opinions (not news).

5. The jury is still out on Obamacare until 2019. You won't be able to judge success or failure until 2019. The people have already said that Obamacare is a failure and the numbers bear that out. Speaking of success, won't it be fair to say that you couldn't tell the success of the Iraq mission until about 2012 but that didn't stop the democrats in 2004 and 2008 from condemning it. Can you people be consistent?

6. JD, remember your crude explanation of health insurance? As explained at the time it was BASIC so people like EVA could understand. The life boat that you were talking about has been expanded. People with pre-existing conditions can now purchase health insurance if they want to. If you get sick your health insurance company can't drop you. Children can stay insured on their parents plan up until age 26. But we won't know if this is a success until 2019??? Isn't that what you just wrote?

7. Part D had rollout problems as well. Bush pushed out the signup date all the way to December. Part D cost 800 Billion, just to help people pay for medications they can't afford. Typical loser argument. If A and B had problems but worked eventually, then if C has completely different problems then it will have to work too.

8. Last thing JD, you lie almost as much as Whirly.

I don't lie. I'm not a democratic liberal/progressive/socialist/Marxist. I'm happy this is your last thing. Now we won't have to hear from you anymore.

[Yssup Rider]

OK. People are signing up. Despite numerous technical glitches, fuckups and opposition unlike anything since the Volstead Act, ACA is here. People like it and are signing up.

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT!

Crybaby bullshit. Keep crying. You'll always have Benghazi.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

COF, The Nutty Professor, the ACA will go forward as long as the Health Insurance companies continue to sell policies on the government exchanges. You may not be aware of this but the Federal Government is backing up the Health Insurance companies for three years. What does this mean? If the insurance companies loose money on policies sold on the exchanges they will be reimbursed by the Government. Any excess profit made will be returned to the government. This arrangement stops in 2017. In 2017 the Health Insurance companies will be on their own and will have make a decision if they want keep selling policies on the exchanges. Senator Rubio has been trying to get this arrangement removed but has not been able to do so. FYI, Part D had the same thing. Study up professor.

I know all that, Fluffy. It won't last until 2019. Trust me.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Trust me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[flghtr65]

Originally Posted by flghtr65

1. The ACA is two parts. The private plans sold on the exchanges and for the family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 you will get the Expanded State Medicaid. Millions will get the State Medicaid. Go take a look at Red State Kentucky. A lot of families have qualified for the State Medicaid.

2. The Trillion that will be spent is over a 10 year period, you IDIOT.

3. The CBO projects that by 2019, 25 million of that 45 million will be insured. So, it is projected that 20 will remain uninsured. These people fall into three categories. There are about 10 million illegal immigrants who do not qualify for Obamacare or the Expanded State Medicaid. Not all states excepted the Expanded State Medicaid. Some people will fall into the Medicaid gap ( For example in Alabama, you have to make less than $11,000 to get the State Medicaid, so if you make less than $24,000 and more that $11,000, you will be in the GAP and you won't be insured). Some people will choose not be insured. If your state excepted the Expanded State Medicaid then there will not be a gap, like Kentucky.

4. It does not matter if the risk pool has 2 million or 8 million policy holders. The health insurance companies want to see a mixture of low risk and high risk people, that is the key. As long as there is a mixture the Health Insurance companies will continue to sell polices on the government exchanges. The CEO of Aetna said so on CNBC ( you know the cable channel with stock ticker running at the bottom).

5. The jury is still out on Obamacare until 2019. You won't be able to judge success or failure until 2019.

6. JD, remember your crude explanation of health insurance? The life boat that you were talking about has been expanded. People with pre-existing conditions can now purchase health insurance if they want to. If you get sick your health insurance company can't drop you. Children can stay insured on their parents plan up until age 26.

7. Part D had rollout problems as well. Bush pushed out the signup date all the way to December. Part D cost 800 Billion, just to help people pay for medications they can't afford.

8. Last thing JD, you lie almost as much as Whirly.

1. The ACA is two parts. The private plans sold on the exchanges and for the family of 4 that makes less than $24,000 you will get the Expanded State Medicaid. Millions will get the State Medicaid. Go take a look at Red State Kentucky. A lot of families have qualified for the State Medicaid. So isn't Medicaid a already existing program? Why spend more administrative money to replace something that already existed? Go ask Obama I guess is your answer.

JD, it is funny how you criticize something that you don't even understand. The Expanded State Medicaid is different from the existing State Medicaid. With the existing State Medicaid each state has its own income requirement that allows an applicant to qualify for it. For example in Alabama the applicant must make less than $11,000. The Expanded State Medicaid asks each state to raise the income minimum to less than $24,000. The federal government will pay 100% of the cost for 5 years. After 5 years the Feds will pay 90% and the state pays 10 per cent. The states that rejected the expanded state Medicaid did not want to pay that 10 per cent.


2. The Trillion that will be spent is over a 10 year period, you IDIOT. A trillion is a trillion isn't it? So who is the real idiot if you don't understand that?
The trillion has not been spent yet. Do you understand that?

3. The CBO projects that by 2019, 25 million of that 45 million will be insured. So, it is projected that 20 will remain uninsured. These people fall into three categories. There are about 10 million illegal immigrants who do not qualify for Obamacare or the Expanded State Medicaid. (if this is true then why are they signing up people at Mexican consulates?) Just another Obama lie. Don't pay in and get free stuff. Not all states excepted the Expanded State Medicaid. Some people will fall into the Medicaid gap ( For example in Alabama, you have to make less than $11,000 to get the State Medicaid, so if you make less than $24,000 and more that $11,000, you will be in the GAP and you won't be insured). Some people will choose not be insured. A change that makes no difference is not a change. Many people NOW choose not to have insurance. So what was the point? Just to fuck with people? If your state excepted the Expanded State Medicaid then there will not be a gap, like Kentucky. Try telling the whole truth. If a state accepted the "aid" by year five that "aid" disappeared and the state was stuck with the full bill. Nothing more than a drug dealer ploy but then I guess that qualifies the Dealer in Chief.

Again, after 5 years the Federal Government will pay 90 per cent of the cost. The state is responsible for the other 10 percent. Some states don't want to pay the 10 percent. The point of the mandate to have everyone purchase health insurance, is so the risk pool will have a mix of low risk and high risk people. The health insurance companies will not survive selling polices on the exchanges if all of their policy holders are high risk people.

4. It does not matter if the risk pool has 2 million or 8 million policy holders. Actually it makes a lot of difference. The more you can spread the risk the better according to the White House. Econ 101. The health insurance companies want to see a mixture of low risk and high risk people, that is the key. As long as there is a mixture the Health Insurance companies will continue to sell polices on the government exchanges. The CEO of Aetna said so on CNBC ( you know the cable channel with stock ticker running at the bottom). I see the letters NBC here and that kind of disqualifies their opinions (not news).

It is not the volume of the risk pool but the mixture of the risk pool that makes the difference. CNBC is not a news channel like CNN. The CEO of Aetna was on the show like being a guest on Face the Nation.


5. The jury is still out on Obamacare until 2019. You won't be able to judge success or failure until 2019. The people have already said that Obamacare is a failure and the numbers bear that out. Speaking of success, won't it be fair to say that you couldn't tell the success of the Iraq mission until about 2012 but that didn't stop the democrats in 2004 and 2008 from condemning it. Can you people be consistent?

Iraq was not a success for the reason we were asked to go. No WMD's were ever found. Giving the Iraq people free elections was not the reason that the USA was going there for.

6. JD, remember your crude explanation of health insurance? As explained at the time it was BASIC so people like EVA could understand. The life boat that you were talking about has been expanded. People with pre-existing conditions can now purchase health insurance if they want to. If you get sick your health insurance company can't drop you. Children can stay insured on their parents plan up until age 26. But we won't know if this is a success until 2019??? Isn't that what you just wrote?

The CBO projects over time that the percentage insured will increase from 83 to 93 percent by 2018. That is the year to look at all the numbers to see if the projections have been realized.

7. Part D had rollout problems as well. Bush pushed out the signup date all the way to December. Part D cost 800 Billion, just to help people pay for medications they can't afford. Typical loser argument. If A and B had problems but worked eventually, then if C has completely different problems then it will have to work too.

Part D and the ACA are similar enough that they can be compared to one another.


8. Last thing JD, you lie almost as much as Whirly.