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03-18-2014, 01:17 AM
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Warnings And Disclaimers......
I notice more and more Providers are adding warnings and/or disclaimers to their ads and websites lately. Am I crazy or am I the only one that realizes regardless if you post a disclaimer or not, once you walk into a room to start a date, you can still be pinched? Disclaimer or no disclaimer. I'm curious what others think about this.....
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03-18-2014, 01:46 AM
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I have personally put a warning about my site containing adult material and for the religious fanatics to not even bother entering my site if they are hell bent on me being a hooker. I understand warnings like this.
Here's a warning that just bugs the hell out of me:
"You agree by entering my website that you are an adult and not affiliated with the law."
Ummm, okaaayyyy..... Like a cop is going to just bypass her ad because it states that. Or a 14 yr old boy is going to have the willpower to NOT click on that 'I AGREE' button! Heehee
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03-18-2014, 02:21 AM
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Ive always wondered this too.. I would think that's an its an invitation to them personally, but I don't do it so I wouldn't know how it works out for others, maybe there will be some good feedback on this topic.
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03-18-2014, 09:01 AM
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I think the gals new to the game actually believe those to be true. The ladies who have been around a while though, I still laugh when I it on their ads/websites.
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03-18-2014, 03:41 PM
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I think the gals new to the game actually believe those to be true. The ladies who have been around a while though, I still laugh when I it on their ads/websites.
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I was hoping you would comment on this thread girl!! Lol! And I think you're probably right, new girls just dont know any better but veterans do!! Ima start putting a new disclaimer on my Eccie ad every week. Lmao!
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03-18-2014, 06:09 PM
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Some of the new girls probably do believe that keeps them safe. All I can say is screen, screen, screen. For all parties involved!
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03-21-2014, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gemma34
I notice more and more Providers are adding warnings and/or disclaimers to their ads and websites lately. Am I crazy or am I the only one that realizes regardless if you post a disclaimer or not, once you walk into a room to start a date, you can still be pinched? Disclaimer or no disclaimer. I'm curious what others think about this.....
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If that worked, law enforcement could never arrest anyone. Could you imagine a drug dealer stating, "by engaging in commerce with me you agree that all money exchanged is between consenting adults for time spent together, and that you are not affiliated with any law enforcement agency."
FLASH TO: Court. Defendant on stand, with video of selling drugs to undercover narc shown to him.
Prosecutor: So you don't deny you sold 2 kilos of Cocaine to Officer Snoop?
Witness: Not at all. But I had gave him a card with a disclaimer that said he agreed he wasn't law enforcement before the transaction, you know that's like the case of Rubber v. Glue.
Judge: WHAT!?!?!?!?! Why wasn't this exculpatory evidence discussed earlier! Not guilty, and arrest that police officer for larceny by fraud! Case dismissed.
Said no judge... ever... LOL. The "you're not a cop defense" would put them out of business.
I agree, they either don't know, don't pay attention, don't have a brain... or maybe they are just trying to convince client they either aren't cops, OR, that they screen for them, so you know... clients will feel safer?
I always think.. dumb provider when I see it... move along
DISCLAIMER: By reading this post, the reader agrees that they are not an alien competing for supremacy on the planet earth who has knowledge of where Malaysian Airliners disappear to so they can appear on endless speculative segments of CNN rehashing old news, but continually calling it "BREAKING NEWS" and diverting out attention so we can find out trivial speculative nonsense about a tragedy...whose endless coverage of stupid crap negatively affects the families watching.
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03-21-2014, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gemma34
I notice more and more Providers are adding warnings and/or disclaimers to their ads and websites lately. Am I crazy or am I the only one that realizes regardless if you post a disclaimer or not, once you walk into a room to start a date, you can still be pinched? Disclaimer or no disclaimer. I'm curious what others think about this.....
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Illegal is illegal no matter what
I carry around a sign in my car,
"I can't read, Im not liable for speeding"
when a cop pulls me over,
do you know how fast you were going
I hand him a card
he says
OH CRAP< ok get out of here,
I leave by throwing my car into R and bashing his car
which makes him freak out,
WTF are you doing
I hand him another card, I CAN"T READ, BABY
OH CRAP, yeah,I heard...ok get out of here.
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03-21-2014, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JackJohnson
If that worked, law enforcement could never arrest anyone. Could you imagine a drug dealer stating, "by engaging in commerce with me you agree that all money exchanged is between consenting adults for time spent together, and that you are not affiliated with any law enforcement agency."
FLASH TO: Court. Defendant on stand, with video of selling drugs to undercover narc shown to him.
Prosecutor: So you don't deny you sold 2 kilos of Cocaine to Officer Snoop?
Witness: Not at all. But I had gave him a card with a disclaimer that said he agreed he wasn't law enforcement before the transaction, you know that's like the case of Rubber v. Glue.
Judge: WHAT!?!?!?!?! Why wasn't this exculpatory evidence discussed earlier! Not guilty, and arrest that police officer for larceny by fraud! Case dismissed.
Said no judge... ever... LOL. The "you're not a cop defense" would put them out of business.
I agree, they either don't know, don't pay attention, don't have a brain... or maybe they are just trying to convince client they either aren't cops, OR, that they screen for them, so you know... clients will feel safer?
I always think.. dumb provider when I see it... move along
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dude you should become a storyteller
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03-21-2014, 12:22 AM
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arrest vs. conviction
I am not sure of the legalities to it, but as I understand it, it is important when it comes to materials that minors may view, which no reputable people want anything to do with. I personally feel more comfortable letting people know that I am available to model and for time and companionship so that they understand that I am not agreeing to anything or offering a service. My attorney suggested it. If they think that you are breaking the law, of course they are taking you to jail. However, conviction is an entirely different matter, in which case disclaimers, emails, advertisements etc. could be called into question and would matter at that point.
Really just my thoughts. I am no legal expert.
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03-21-2014, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by whity1369
Some of the new girls probably do believe that keeps them safe. All I can say is screen, screen, screen. For all parties involved!
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ok I give up
what does this mean? how exactly do you screen?
seems to me that it always involves risk for the provider.
first a new guy has to see a provider when he has no references,
If she likes him, she will be his reference and he can see other providers who will take no references or one reference of a provider who took you without doing a backround check
is that right? or is there some other way to "screen screen screen"
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03-21-2014, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ari816
I am not sure of the legalities to it, but as I understand it, it is important when it comes to materials that minors may view, which no reputable people want anything to do with. I personally feel more comfortable letting people know that I am available to model and for time and companionship so that they understand that I am not agreeing to anything or offering a service. My attorney suggested it. If they think that you are breaking the law, of course they are taking you to jail. However, conviction is an entirely different matter, in which case disclaimers, emails, advertisements etc. could be called into question and would matter at that point.
Really just my thoughts. I am no legal expert.
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I just wanted to say that pick of you in doggie position with your ass up, is FUCKIN A hot.damn
brb I gotta take care of something that popped up
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03-21-2014, 12:33 AM
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My attorney said the disclaimer is absolutely pointless. No matter how many different ways its worded.
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03-21-2014, 12:54 AM
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My attorney said the disclaimer is absolutely pointless. No matter how many different ways its worded.
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Gemma is right, I think we've hashed this out before, but to remind everyone of WHY she's right.
KANSAS Statute 21-3512: Prostitution. (a) Prostitution is performing for hire, or offering or agreeing to perform for hire where there is an exchange of value, any of the following acts:
(1) Sexual intercourse;
(2) sodomy; or
(3) manual or other bodily contact stimulation of the genitals of any person with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desires of the offender or another. (b) Prostitution is a class B nonperson misdemeanor.
Yeah you could present your "disclaimer" about not being a cop as evidence you didn't intend to do the deed, but you know, its not an intent crime, once they can prove you agreed to do... 1-3 (and 3 can get you in trouble, whats bodily contact? I hug?) They would probably point out that you were disclaiming:
1) an Ad where you were provocatively clothed, demonstrating you were intent on sexual gratification.
2) where the rest of the ad contradicted your multiple disclaimers
3) YOUR DISCLAIMER PROVES YOU KNOW THE ACT YOU WERE SOLICITING WAS ILLEGAL OR POTENTIALLY SO (which someone else pointed out I think)
Please note... large civil suits have been lost because companies posted signs saying, DONT GO IN THERE ITS DANGEROUS, and when people went in and were hurt, their lawyer pointed out that the company was admitted a dangerous condition, and they had a responsibility to keep the plaintiff out! Who keeps a dangerous condition around! (note... with kids and trampolines... its a nightmare )
So yeah... you might be able to get away with it if you can hire some HIGHLY PAID criminal defense attorney who can shower an overworked prosecutor in so much crap that they just agree to a diversion or something to shut the docket clog up. However, your "BUT HE SAID HE WAS A COP - see disclaimer" defense... isn't going to get any judge outside of the People's Court to throw it out. If they do... you paid someone something... meh.
NOTE: It can't hurt to put disclaimer up, since it doesn't really do anything, except, you know... admitting you might engage in illegal acts, or know the law about what prostitution is... which could go against you. Most prosecutors won't bother digging that far if you don't bring it up... so you're probably safe. But... caveat emptor.
DISCLAIMER: By reading this email, the reader agrees that they are not going sodomize Muppets on the belief that the large hole represents slutty intentions on the part of the Muppet. People put their hands up there, and any sodomizing of said Muppets must be between consenting handlers and the aforementioned hand loving stars of screen. Really, leave them alone.
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03-21-2014, 01:00 AM
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Thanks JJ!! And I love your disclaimer LOL
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