UN-FUCKING BELIEVEABLE !!!!!!!!

[Whirlaway]

Border agent Brian Murray was murdered while on duty by a gun that was sold thru Eric Holder's Fast and Furious program; the gun was found at the murder scene and forensicly linked to Murray's murder.........yet Holder has the gall to say.."it is not safe to assume that Operation Fast and Furious directly led to his death"..............Obama will have to dump Holder, this absolutly dumb and arrogant statement before Congress, is an outrage and Holder's days are numbered !!!!!!!!!

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Obama doesn't have any problem throwing people under the bus (think Rev. Wright, and others. Here is alink to the list...http://www.johntreed.com/Obamabus.html)...

[thehobbydude]

What's unbelievable is that people trust politicians. Holder should not behave like a politician, but unfortunately those are cabinet positions that are filled based on who you know and not based on your skills and capabilities. The whole system is corrupt and at this point it's like a cancer, you can't get rid of it. That's what happened in Latin American countries over the last 75 years and look at what Latin America has become. That's the future that awaits us if we keep electing Democrats and Republicans.

[CuteOldGuy]

Hobbydude, you are a cool, fresh breeze in an atmosphere of liberal farts.

[anaximander]

And you think you look intelligent
blaming 3rd world despotism on
domestic style politics?

It was latin america's fatal embrace of
socialism that has brought it to where
it is today.

Other than our north eastern rino's.
It is the democrats espousing policies
that could have been lifted straight from
Caracas, Havana, or Mexico City .

Liberty and Independence are the last
great hopes for man

[thehobbydude]

Thank you COG. I'm just tired of all the fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting the people that have gotten us into this mess. I can't understand how people can support one party or another when both are exactly the same.

[thehobbydude]

anaximander - how many years did you live in Latin America?

[Whirlaway]

Well then, who are you going to waste your vote on ?

I beleive in incremental change; like voting Tea Party activists to Congress, supporting a "no debt increase" approach to government, getting rid of BHO, balanced budget ammendment, and a whole host of other incremental steps...it isn't necessary to burn the barn down to save the farm. Change from within is good. Just got to decide which way the wind is blowing.

Originally Posted by thehobbydude

Thank you COG. I'm just tired of all the fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting the people that have gotten us into this mess. I can't understand how people can support one party or another when both are exactly the same.

[budman33]

I am appalled!!! If not for Fast & Furious those cartel criminals would have been unarmed and thereby this agent would have been absolutely fine.

Fucking Holder!!!

[thehobbydude]

I'm sitting out until there's an alternate option and when the time comes I'm moving out. I have given up on our politicians. Happy?

[thehobbydude]

The cartel criminals would have guns regardless, but that doesn't mean our government should facilitate the process.

[Whirlaway]

Man, the system has really beat ya down- they got ya where they want to have you (helpless and thrown in the towel) they win ! My sympathies. Thank God revolutionary Americans didn't have that same spirit.

[thehobbydude]

Whirlaway - you're correct, incremental change is good, if it happens. The problem is that I can guarantee you we'll be here 4 years from now after a Republican landslide in Congress and a Republican president and the fundamental issues will still be there. I've given both parties the benefit of the doubt and both have let us down, so as you see, at this point the trust is lost and I've become a cynic.

[thehobbydude]

Nice try Whirlaway - I'm not helpless, I'm able and capable of making a living in other parts of the world, my spirit is great. I feel sorry for those that don't speak multiple languages and will get stuck with what's coming. Good luck!

[budman33]

Originally Posted by thehobbydude

The cartel criminals would have guns regardless, but that doesn't mean our government should facilitate the process.

Govt agencies sell drugs, stand on street corners as Ho's sacrifice to get handjobs to bust AMP's... was this a great idea to track guns to the cartels.. probably not. But would this agent have got shot anyway? I'm thinking... yep.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by budman33

I am appalled!!! If not for Fast & Furious those cartel criminals would have been unarmed and thereby this agent would have been absolutely fine.

Fucking Holder!!!

+1. With the NRA working so diligently to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, there is no way those cartel criminals get guns if not for Eric Holder. Just no way.