Happy confederate heroes day

[winn dixie]

Today, texas and the south celebrate confederate heroes day. A very special and sacred day to many. Long live our ideals , heritage and way of life.

Today we honor our fallen soldiers, President Davis and General Lee.
It's a day of thanks and reflection.
A day of pride and heritage.

* Not without honor *

[Jacky S]

Robert E Lee should have been tried as a war criminal for marching his ill fed, poorly equipped men using Napoleonic tactics against modern weapons in the form of the rifled musket, exploding artillery, and devastating canister fire.

The most telling example of this was Picket’s Charge during the last day of the Battle of Gettysburg. He ordered 15 thousand men to march accross an open field where they were to attack a well fortified Union line with all of the fore mentioned weapons.

As Major General George Picket wrote in his memoirs……”that old man had my division slaughtered”.

[eccieuser9500]

Fuck you and your heritage. How's that for free speech?





















I'll take the points.

If any.

[biomed1]

Of The Following . . .

• #1 - Avoid cases of unprovoked rudeness to others. No place for it here. Yes, with the dynamic nature of the threads and topics, tempers will flare and things will become heated from time to time. You may often encounter individuals who become passionate or emotional when expressing one's opinion or point of view. That's all understood and perfectly acceptable within reason…….but, start slamming or bashing another member and be met with consequences.
• #3 - Disrespect to others, IN GENERAL, will be considered an item of low tolerance, especially when posting in our coed forums. Follow the Golden Rule and treat others as you wish to be treated yourself. This applies to fellow members as well as staff. We do not require that you have respect for us, but we do require that you treat us respectfully in the public forums. If you feel the need to vent, gripe, or blow off some steam regarding a staff member's action or decision, we ask that you keep it private. Email, RTM, or the PM system would be the appropriate avenue to take in such cases. In cases where you would like to request additional clarity about a staff decision, you are free to pursue an answer in either a public forum or private means of communication. If handled publicly, post your inquiry in a respectful manner.
• #4 - Blatant insults or hostility toward another member will be met with staff intervention. This applies to using our coed forums for name calling, personal attacks, or vulgar slang terms to describe fellow members. If you have legitimate concerns about another member here, share them tactfully in the appropriate private forums or with staff.

[eccieuser9500]

Pointed.







Tomorrow.

Still dreaming.

[biomed1]

To Return to and Remain on the Original Topic . . .

#6 - Respect the topics presented by those who start a thread. Attempts to derail a thread or change it's direction is referred to as thread hijack and will be discouraged. Attempts to guide a thread in the right direction are appreciated, while responses to posts which hijack a thread are not.

[winn dixie]

I had a very good day yesterday.
The stars and bars flew high and majestically in my yard.
I'm sorry folk don't educate themselves on actual southern pride and heritage. It's inclusive and deeply intertwined with black and latino heritage. It's all of ours together. Slavery is denounced and we don't see color. That's our southern pride and heritage we share and live daily. Davis and Lee were great men. Had their faults just like Washington and Lincoln. Confederate heroes day can and should be celebrated by all. If not...... do away with Lincoln and Washington bdays/ presidents day. As what can be said about one party can definitely be said of the other.
Folk read your history.
And Pickett disobeyed orders and scholars generally regard him as a poor general. Lee's orders if obeyed would have turned that battle.
Confederate heroes day celebrates the brave soldiers who fell that day and every day of "that damned war"!
Happy belated Confederate heroes day !

[Precious_b]

I was too busy cleaning up from Winnie the Pooh Day.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

Robert E Lee should have been tried as a war criminal for marching his ill fed, poorly equipped men using Napoleonic tactics against modern weapons in the form of the rifled musket, exploding artillery, and devastating canister fire.

LOL.. this is probably the stupidest thing I've read on the internet today.

Rifled muskets, exploding artillery, and canister rounds existed long before the ACW.

None of what you wrote constitutes a war crime. If you think it was, then basically every Union commander needed to be in the docks as well. You need to familiarize yourself with the Union attack up Maryes heights in the battle of Fredricksburg. Burnside basically suicided 1/3 of his attacking units. The men marching up the heights pinned their names to their uniforms because they knew they were about to die.

Lee was a victim of his own success. His men managed to win the day so often that he thought he could take Cemetery Ridge instead of listening to Longstreet to flank or move the army to terrain of their choosing.

I've walked the Gettysburg battlefield 6 times... You cannot over estimate the size of the balls on the Confederates... crossing the mile between the lines to the high water mark. The ONLY ground that comes close to deadliness to me was the beach at Normandy looking up to the American cemetery...

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by texassapper

LOL.. this is probably the stupidest thing I've read on the internet today.

Rifled muskets, exploding artillery, and canister rounds existed long before the ACW.

None of what you wrote constitutes a war crime. If you think it was, then basically every Union commander needed to be in the docks as well. You need to familiarize yourself with the Union attack up Maryes heights in the battle of Fredricksburg. Burnside basically suicided 1/3 of his attacking units. The men marching up the heights pinned their names to their uniforms because they knew they were about to die.

Lee was a victim of his own success. His men managed to win the day so often that he thought he could take Cemetery Ridge instead of listening to Longstreet to flank or move the army to terrain of their choosing.

I've walked the Gettysburg battlefield 6 times... You cannot over estimate the size of the balls on the Confederates... crossing the mile between the lines to the high water mark. The ONLY ground that comes close to deadliness to me was the beach at Normandy looking up to the American cemetery...

I stand by what I said. This was not at the beginning of the War.
Lee knew who was behind that ridge. He knew their weaponry. He did NOT know their resolve.
Marching 15,000 men in to that hell, against his best General’s advice, was was at best irresponsible, at worst criminal.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Jacky S

I stand by what I said. This was not at the beginning of the War.
Lee knew who was behind that ridge. He knew their weaponry. He did NOT know their resolve.
Marching 15,000 men in to that hell, against his best General’s advice, was was at best irresponsible, at worst criminal.

He did NOT know the weaponry held on the reverse slope. Yes he knew it was artillery, he did not know the number, and condition and the fact that fresh troops were arriving to reinforce the Federals. He knew Meade was the opposing Commander and he knew Meade was an overly cautious turtle.

There was a good chance if the Union acted as they had previously he could have beaten them. Union leadership was feckless and Meade failed to pursue Lee as he SHOULD have.

If it weren't for Buford and Reynolds on Day one recognizing the advantage of the terrain that gave the Union ideal defensive positions, Lee probably would have defeated the Union yet again. This time however it was Fredricksburg in reverse. Remember, the Federals didn't even occupy the key terrain of Little Round Top until day two. It's the site of the most important company level unit action under Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain... (A personal hero of mine). Grant understood what Chamberlain had done.. and thats the reason he was the one that received the Confederate surrender at Appomatox two years later.

There's a great movie based on Shaaras Killer Angels that (although preachy at times) is as good an overview of the battle as you will find outside of history books. We read Killer Angels during our battlefield tour of Gettysburg at USMA and I know for at least a decade after its release, parts of the movie were shown in MIL history classes at USMA to illustrate the action on the ground.

At the end of the day calling Lee a war criminal for Picketts charge is a ridiculous assertion. The ACW laid the groundwork for the carnage in Europe in 1914, barb wire, trench warfare, machine guns, Aerial observation... Americans did it all first.. on both sides.

[Jacky S]

Originally Posted by texassapper

He did NOT know the weaponry held on the reverse slope. Yes he knew it was artillery, he did not know the number, and condition and the fact that fresh troops were arriving to reinforce the Federals. He knew Meade was the opposing Commander and he knew Meade was an overly cautious turtle.

There was a good chance if the Union acted as they had previously he could have beaten them. Union leadership was feckless and Meade failed to pursue Lee as he SHOULD have.

If it weren't for Buford and Reynolds on Day one recognizing the advantage of the terrain that gave the Union ideal defensive positions, Lee probably would have defeated the Union yet again. This time however it was Fredricksburg in reverse. Remember, the Federals didn't even occupy the key terrain of Little Round Top until day two. It's the site of the most important company level unit action under Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain... (A personal hero of mine). Grant understood what Chamberlain had done.. and thats the reason he was the one that received the Confederate surrender at Appomatox two years later.

There's a great movie based on Shaaras Killer Angels that (although preachy at times) is as good an overview of the battle as you will find outside of history books. We read Killer Angels during our battlefield tour of Gettysburg at USMA and I know for at least a decade after its release, parts of the movie were shown in MIL history classes at USMA to illustrate the action on the ground.

At the end of the day calling Lee a war criminal for Picketts charge is a ridiculous assertion. The ACW laid the groundwork for the carnage in Europe in 1914, barb wire, trench warfare, machine guns, Aerial observation... Americans did it all first.. on both sides.

Ok, Lee was not a war criminal.
Just an incompetent fool.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Does this include Major General Gideon Pillow?

[biomed1]

Refusal to Stay on the Original Topic has resulted in this Thread being Closed