Bitten Beating Down Putin

[LexusLover]

News report: 3,000-4,000 U.S. troops to be dispatched to Ukraine.

More deaths of U.S. military personnel from Bitten's stupidity.

And the Chinese will attack when Putin does.

[Yssup Rider]

Links?

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

News report: 3,000-4,000 U.S. troops to be dispatched to NATO countries near Ukraine.

More deaths of U.S. military personnel from Bitten's stupidity.

And the Chinese will attack when Putin does.

There are no plans ( yet ) to send troops into Ukraine and I doubt there ever will be.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/23/u...o-ukraine.html


Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

President Biden is considering deploying several thousand U.S. troops, as well as warships and aircraft, to NATO allies in the Baltics and Eastern Europe, an expansion of American military involvement amid mounting fears of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, according to administration officials.

[Precious_b]

Russians are taking a page out of the Chinese book.

China policy is not to relinquish any more ground. They know that in allowing people to stand for themselves is a threat to the Party and its power. So, they will do anything to stomp down any dissent.

Russia has seen alot of the satellite countries leave the fold and it leaves Moscows influence weaker and weaker. Ukraine is a big place. Would be a severe loss to lose the former USSR country. And it would leave Putin looking weak. We all know that he doesn't like that.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Russians are taking a page out of the Chinese book.

China policy is not to relinquish any more ground. They know that in allowing people to stand for themselves is a threat to the Party and its power. So, they will do anything to stomp down any dissent.

Russia has seen alot of the satellite countries leave the fold and it leaves Moscows influence weaker and weaker. Ukraine is a big place. Would be a severe loss to lose the former USSR country. And it would leave Putin looking weak. We all know that he doesn't like that.

they already lost it. in 1991 after the collapse of the USSR. many vassal states broke away and declared independence including Ukraine.


some decided to join the new Russian Federation. not Ukraine among others. of course Putin wants to get Ukraine back. but unless Ukraine which has a strong independent streak voluntarily decides to join the Federation then invading is the only way that happens ... and if Russia wins. that's not a guaranteed as it once was.


does anyone here realize what Putin really wants?


he wants the U.S. out of Europe and NATO. and we should be out of NATO after the fall of the USSR. at the end of WWII, NATO to counter the Soviet Union while all of western Europe was in ruins was needed. that need ended decades ago. and we should have left a long time ago.


who said this ..


"There is no reason for the American taxpayers, in the face of our own substantial deficit, to continue to subsidize Germany, France, England, Norway, Belgium and other prosperous European democracies."


and this ..


"If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project will have failed."


this ..


“Turkey even gets to renegotiate (NATO) base rights every year. I don't know what genius negotiated that deal, but every year we give Turkey the option to shoot at our feet and say, 'Tap-dance, Uncle Sam!’ ... As long as (our NATO allies) can get one more bite out of the apple, nobody is going to voluntarily say, 'We will pay more money.’ ”


all these statements must be that Evil Donald Trump railing against NATO, right???

you'd be wrong.


the answers will surprise you.

[Yssup Rider]

8,500 troops on high alert

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

8,500 troops on high alert

for what? are they gonna have a square dance somewhere? what reason would the US send troops to Ukraine? because Biden is being told by a bunch of neocon war mongers to start a new war for them and that idiot is going to do it.


do you want the U.S. to defend Ukraine? WHY?


give me one reason WHY.

[Precious_b]

Oh course he wants us out.
He has become everything in Russia but a dictator but that is only because his official title isn't called that.
And what is to have him stop at Ukraine?
Hence the deterrent called NATO.
I won't argue being in/withdrawing from the organization but we are just one member of such.

And China has been pushing back for a few administrations.

[the_real_Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

There are no plans ( yet ) to send troops into Ukraine and I doubt there ever will be.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/23/u...o-ukraine.html


Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

President Biden is considering deploying several thousand U.S. troops, as well as warships and aircraft, to NATO allies in the Baltics and Eastern Europe, an expansion of American military involvement amid mounting fears of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, according to administration officials.

There are plans. Members of the Pentagon do nothing but draw up plans for any possible scenario. Somewhere there is a general whose job is to figure out Ukraine and Russia. He has a colonel whose job it is to figure out how many US troops would be needed to stop, delay, or cause Russia to think again. As was discovered in the Clinton years, we even have plans on how to invade Canada.

[SecretE]

When poll numbers are low, start a new war. Yay.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Oh course he wants us out.
He has become everything in Russia but a dictator but that is only because his official title isn't called that.
And what is to have him stop at Ukraine?
Hence the deterrent called NATO.
I won't argue being in/withdrawing from the organization but we are just one member of such.

And China has been pushing back for a few administrations.

we shouldn't be a member at all.

who said this ... and when?


"If in 10 years, all American troops stationed in Europe for national defense purposes have not been returned to the United States, then this whole project will have failed."

[Tiny]

We made fun of Trump when it looked like he was playing lapdog to Vladimir Putin. But Trump actually may have been playing him like a fiddle. The pundits are saying Putin right now is reacting to humiliation of Russia after the FSU and Warsaw Pact broke apart, and wants some respect. Trump gave him respect. Paying respect to autocrats with words doesn't cost money or lives. Admittedly paying respect with deeds like Neville Chamberlin did can backfire though.

What it looks like now is that Russia will do what it wants, and we'll look powerless. That doesn't serve the USA's best interests, and, as LexusLover said, may be an invitation to China to invade Taiwan.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

We may have made fun of Trump when it looked like he was playing lapdog to Vladimir Putin. But Trump actually may have been playing him like a fiddle. The pundits are saying Putin right now is reacting to humiliation of the FSU, and wants some respect. Trump gave him respect. Paying respect to autocrats with words doesn't cost money or lives. Admittedly paying respect with deeds like Neville Chamberlin did can backfire though.

What it looks like now is that Russia will do what it wants, and we'll look powerless. That doesn't serve the USA's best interests, and may be an invitation to China to invade Taiwan.

Trump has been playing everyone like Fiddle. That's why the Democratic Party shits on themselves every time Trump has a rally, lol.

[HedonistForever]

I'd be shocked if Putin invaded before the Olympics were over . Wouldn't want to piss off his new buddy Xi, who maybe the only friend Russia has IF Xi gives a shit about anything other than pissing off the US.


Putin has to know by now, that NATO isn't about to let the corrupt Ukraine into NATO any time soon if ever and without Russia provocations, there wouldn't be a need to let them in anyway WHICH IS A BAD IDEA TO BEGIN WITH.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

I'd be shocked if Putin invaded before the Olympics were over . Wouldn't want to piss off his new buddy Xi, who maybe the only friend Russia has IF Xi gives a shit about anything other than pissing off the US.


Putin has to know by now, that NATO isn't about to let the corrupt Ukraine into NATO any time soon if ever and without Russia provocations, there wouldn't be a need to let them in anyway WHICH IS A BAD IDEA TO BEGIN WITH.

exactly. if NATO actually lets Ukraine in what prevents a sudden shift of Pro-Russia sentiment where Ukraine suddenly wants to re-join Russia and does? does NATO immediately kick them out? do they let the entire Russian Federation be in ... NATO, the very entity created to counter Russia (former USSR).?




as far the dynamic of Xi and Putin .. think Hitler and Stalin. they are BFF's .. until they aren't. they'll carve up Asia and far eastern Europe until it's no longer in their interests to do so. then they'll be at each other's throats. what they want is to destroy the U.S. they'll be BFF's till the day after than happens .. then they'll be bitter enemies.