Why New York Suffered When Other Cities Were Spared by Covid 19

[Tiny]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-with-covid-19

Cuomo, DeBlasio and bureaucrats come out as the villains in this piece. Trump, who's not mentioned, could have been the hero who saved the day if he'd banned flights from Europe the same time he banned flights from China.

Some excerpts -

“We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives, ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors,” New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said on March 2.

The mayor gave the same guidance. “From what we do understand, you cannot contract it through casual contact, so the subway is not the issue,” de Blasio said March 3. Days later, he said, “It has to go from someone who is infected to another person directly into their mouth, their nose, or their eyes.”

Health experts have now almost totally reversed that understanding. The CDC told people to begin wearing face coverings in public on April 3, at which point there were more than 5,000 new cases a day in New York. Later that month, the agency updated guidance to say that touching contaminated surfaces didn’t appear to be the primary mode of transmission. There have since been multiple case studies showing clusters of transmission in offices, at churches and other high-density setting



For all of New York City’s risk, its leaders moved late on shutting down the city.

Cuomo and de Blasio — who have had a long-running, often public feud — disagreed for days over how and when to act. The city closed the schools on March 15. Two days later, de Blasio raised the possibility of a stay-at-home order. Cuomo disagreed, saying it was the state’s decision and that he had “no interest whatsoever or plan whatsoever to contain New York City.” On March 20, he announced that the state would shut all non-essential businesses, and told people to stay home.

In hindsight, the city’s actions came late. The day the stay-at-home orders were announced, New York City reported 4,000 new cases — despite a significant shortage of testing. The outbreak was well into the acceleration phase. And with a bigger head-start, the virus kept growing in the city, with new cases peaking 17 days later on April 6.




As the virus swept through nursing homes — and the city was in an urgent search for hospital beds — the question arose of what to do with elderly patients who recovered.

On March 25, the state made what now appears to be an ill-fated decision to send those people back to nursing homes once they were well enough to leave the hospital. Two months later, Cuomo said the state had followed the federal government’s guidance, and made the rules when the state was scrambling for hospital bed space.

“Is the best use of a hospital bed to have somebody sit there for two weeks in the hospital bed when they don’t need the hospital bed, because they’re not urgently ill? Cuomo said at a press briefing on May 20. “They’re just waiting to test negative.”

Statewide, there have been 5,980 presumed and confirmed Covid-19 deaths in nursing homes and adult-care facilities as of May 24. New York has now changed its rules for sending patients back to the homes, saying hospitals can’t do so until a patient tests negative for the virus.

The article describes some of the characteristics that made NYC more problematic than other cities in the USA, like population density and reliance on the subway. But it doesn't touch on why Asian cities with similar characteristics fared hugely better than NYC. The difference IMHO, better government preparedness and response, and cultures more inclined to wear masks.

[oeb11]

Tiny - thank You for a factual presentation in concise format of the NY leadership follies.

slow postinig seems better!

[gnadfly]

The Cuomocaust is real.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

The Cuomocaust is real.

I would also blame deBlasio, who is an asshole.

[Jackie S]

Cops kill a guy while he is handcuffed and on the ground. People are crying murder.

Governors kill thousands by ordering Covid-19 patients into one of the most vulnerable population centers known, nursing homes. What do you call that?

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Cops kill a guy while he is handcuffed and on the ground. People are crying murder.

Governors kill thousands by ordering Covid-19 patients into one of the most vulnerable population centers known, nursing homes. What do you call that?

Old people should protest by tearing up a Target and stealing everything in it!

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Cops kill a guy while he is handcuffed and on the ground. People are crying murder.

Governors kill thousands by ordering Covid-19 patients into one of the most vulnerable population centers known, nursing homes. What do you call that?

A very likely, justified lawsuit. Criminally it might be called "depraved indifference" if such a law exists in New York and public officials are not protected from "official actions" taken in the time of emergency. More likely, I would think, would be a class action civil suit but this must be addressed in a court of law one way or another.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-with-covid-19

Cuomo, DeBlasio and bureaucrats come out as the villains in this piece. Trump, who's not mentioned, could have been the hero who saved the day if he'd banned flights from Europe the same time he banned flights from China.

Some excerpts -

“We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives, ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors,” New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said on March 2.

The mayor gave the same guidance. “From what we do understand, you cannot contract it through casual contact, so the subway is not the issue,” de Blasio said March 3. Days later, he said, “It has to go from someone who is infected to another person directly into their mouth, their nose, or their eyes.”

Health experts have now almost totally reversed that understanding. The CDC told people to begin wearing face coverings in public on April 3, at which point there were more than 5,000 new cases a day in New York. Later that month, the agency updated guidance to say that touching contaminated surfaces didn’t appear to be the primary mode of transmission. There have since been multiple case studies showing clusters of transmission in offices, at churches and other high-density setting



For all of New York City’s risk, its leaders moved late on shutting down the city.

Cuomo and de Blasio — who have had a long-running, often public feud — disagreed for days over how and when to act. The city closed the schools on March 15. Two days later, de Blasio raised the possibility of a stay-at-home order. Cuomo disagreed, saying it was the state’s decision and that he had “no interest whatsoever or plan whatsoever to contain New York City.” On March 20, he announced that the state would shut all non-essential businesses, and told people to stay home.

In hindsight, the city’s actions came late. The day the stay-at-home orders were announced, New York City reported 4,000 new cases — despite a significant shortage of testing. The outbreak was well into the acceleration phase. And with a bigger head-start, the virus kept growing in the city, with new cases peaking 17 days later on April 6.




As the virus swept through nursing homes — and the city was in an urgent search for hospital beds — the question arose of what to do with elderly patients who recovered.

On March 25, the state made what now appears to be an ill-fated decision to send those people back to nursing homes once they were well enough to leave the hospital. Two months later, Cuomo said the state had followed the federal government’s guidance, and made the rules when the state was scrambling for hospital bed space.

“Is the best use of a hospital bed to have somebody sit there for two weeks in the hospital bed when they don’t need the hospital bed, because they’re not urgently ill? Cuomo said at a press briefing on May 20. “They’re just waiting to test negative.”

Statewide, there have been 5,980 presumed and confirmed Covid-19 deaths in nursing homes and adult-care facilities as of May 24. New York has now changed its rules for sending patients back to the homes, saying hospitals can’t do so until a patient tests negative for the virus.

The article describes some of the characteristics that made NYC more problematic than other cities in the USA, like population density and reliance on the subway. But it doesn't touch on why Asian cities with similar characteristics fared hugely better than NYC. The difference IMHO, better government preparedness and response, and cultures more inclined to wear masks.

Now if we could only get Democrats to read and understand that, maybe they would stop saying Trump didn't act quickly enough on the advice he was given.


I think we do not consider "culture" enough when we think about these matters. There is more than enough evidence that tells us why Asian pupils on average do better in school, culture. Why do Koreans own a disproportionate number of businesses in African American communities? Same answer IMHO.


https://www.city-journal.org/html/why-koreans-succeed-11885.html


Korean- Americans opened stores in inner-city neighborhoods that other retailers had long shunned. And when Wall Street boomed in the eighties, Koreans and other immigrant entrepreneurs worked around the clock providing services to the financial industry.
Korean-Americans have proved that the American Dream is still alive. "If ever I want to know where the American work ethic went, I know where to find it," says Stephen Solarsh, a business and real estate consultant who has advised dozens of Korean-American business owners. "The Koreans just keep moving in a wonderfully disciplined way. Anyone who sees them can think back to the time when our forefathers came to this country."

[oeb11]

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Now if we could only get Democrats to read and understand that, maybe they would stop saying Trump didn't act quickly enough on the advice he was given.


Wishful thinking - HF - DPST's are responsible for the breakdown and dumbing down of public schools - and teachers Unions substituting socialist indoctriniation for education - because the teachers are incompetent to teach due to lack of any meaningful education in teachers colleges.



They are not capable of reading and understannding.



I agree - most of the asians who come here work hard and are law-abiding - and have a strong culture of education. I do respect that.

[Medulla]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The mayor gave the same guidance. “From what we do understand, you cannot contract it through casual contact, so the subway is not the issue,” de Blasio said March 3. Days later, he said, “It has to go from someone who is infected to another person directly into their mouth, their nose,or their eyes.”

This article wants to put blame on the New York local government just as you said, but some of us remember that it was The World Health Organisation that started this rumour about the virus not being able transmit between humans either late January or early February. So, the author should do more research...

Originally Posted by Tiny

Health experts have now almost totally reversed that understanding. The CDC told people to begin wearing face coverings in public on April 3, at which point there were more than 5,000 new cases a day in New York. Later that month, the agency updated guidance to say that touching contaminated surfaces didn’t appear to be the primary mode of transmission. There have since been multiple case studies showing clusters of transmission in offices, at churches and other high-density setting

The author is now shifting blame to health experts and the CDC? I thought this was about those villainous blokes in New York. However, I will add that the CDC did take forever to determine that this virus was airborne. I knew the surface contamination was bollocks based on how contagious it was and how it was easily spreading.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Cuomo and de Blasio — who have had a long-running, often public feud — disagreed for days over how and when to act. The city closed the schools on March 15. Two days later, de Blasio raised the possibility of a stay-at-home order. Cuomo disagreed, saying it was the state’s decision and that he had “no interest whatsoever or plan whatsoever to contain New York City.” On March 20, he announced that the state would shut all non-essential businesses, and told people to stay home.

Ok by March 15, this was now declared a pandemic, so the national government should have orchestrated a nationwide plan involving more testing. With more tests available, we know who has it, who needs to quarantine, who doesn’t have it, etc. With limited tests & limited unity, local governments had to pretend the whole population had it and enforce lockdown orders as a last resort to best contain it...

Originally Posted by Tiny

As the virus swept through nursing homes — and the city was in an urgent search for hospital beds — the question arose of what to do with elderly patients who recovered.

Nursing Homes Fought Federal Emergency Plan Requirements for Years. Now, They’re Coronavirus Hot Spots — Well, what does the author expect when most American nursing homes are owned by large corporations only concerned about profits and less about the care of its senile patients?

Originally Posted by Tiny

The article describes some of the characteristics that made NYC more problematic than other cities in the USA, like population density and reliance on the subway. But it doesn't touch on why Asian cities with similar characteristics fared hugely better than NYC. The difference IMHO, better government preparedness and response, and cultures more inclined to wear masks.

You don’t remember SARS? That’s the major reason why Asian countries fared better than the USA altogether. Taiwan, South Korea, etc reacted immediately in order to prevent another SARS like tragedy from happening once again. These nations also aren’t horribly divided...

[Tiny]

You have mostly good points that make sense Medulla. A couple of disagreements -

1. The CDC did not do a good job. Not only were they initially telling people not to wear masks, they and the FDA delayed testing by weeks. You can 't help but think they should have better prepared the nation for a pandemic.

2. As to nursing homes, I wouldn't blame it on the big corporations, but on poor government regulation. And they didn't see this coming, so didn't have time to react. That said, you'd think they'd have controls in place to protect their residents from influenza, so it wouldn't have been so difficult or time consuming to transition to protecting them from Covid 19.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

Cops kill a guy while he is handcuffed and on the ground. People are crying murder.

Governors kill thousands by ordering Covid-19 patients into one of the most vulnerable population centers known, nursing homes. What do you call that?

That's easy.

You call it "depraved indifference murder".

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Tiny

You have mostly good points that make sense Medulla. A couple of disagreements -

1. The CDC did not do a good job. Not only were they initially telling people not to wear masks, they and the FDA delayed testing by weeks. You can 't help but think they should have better prepared the nation for a pandemic.

2. As to nursing homes, I wouldn't blame it on the big corporations, but on poor government regulation. And they didn't see this coming, so didn't have time to react. That said, you'd think they'd have controls in place to protect their residents from influenza, so it wouldn't have been so difficult or time consuming to transition to protecting them from Covid 19.

Tiny - Medulla made it clear that it is a Socialist Progressive sympathizer that hates any form of capitalism. You have a good point - lost on such as that.

'Nuff written.