TRAITS OF A UPSCALE,HIGH CLASS PROVIDER

[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by SweetAmanda

It's just marketing..

I agree.But my point was about good versus bad marketing strategies. The "just" as you state it actually is not that easy as you make it sound, otherwise bluntness and inflated sense of self would not be visible like this.

Originally Posted by SweetAmanda

If I believe the fantasy that sells best is an Ivy League-educated nymphomaniac who's also a former runway model and a current medical student, that's the character I'll offer my clients.

Great point as well. Let me add some additional points to the discussion of "selling" something: If you can pull it off plausible with a thought through marketing strategy , i do agree completely. Most pretentious people just can`t. That`s the problem :-))..... Its just stupid if you state you`re actually intelligent when your whole behaviour of social interaction or such contradicts it. There has to be at least some - even small connection - about reality. Even bad actors stop short of trying to pull off characters they actually can`t relate to or bring across convincingly. Actors actually work hard to be able to create the role and some really take lessons in exactly these things they have to be able to pull off authentically. Marketing strategies are not just some simple "Who cares". Its actually a quite demanding business to pull off . There are a lot of people working to pull of a "just" Marketing strategy. :-). So , although i can relate to what you are trying to say, i disagree on the simplicity you seem to put into marketing strategies :-).


The the other point i want to add is the one of "authenticity".What is the problem with reality? If you are so offended about yourself, that you need to pretend to be ivy league educated and whatsoever, and you are not (or not as much) then for me this is showing not only a bad marketing strategy but issues of prejudices about people who have no ivy league education. (Or - taking compliments and credits about having "several advanced degrees" and being "fluent in 5 languages" if you only have a lousy BA in an "orchid study" and have spelling issues at your own language and only speak an additional one is like getting actual credits for stuff other people work hard for. Why? ). I personally don`t sell things that are far away from my persona. Although of course i also sell and show myself from my best angles and such. Its just terrible when you are not able to sell yourself without degrading other people. Or when your homepage reads as if you are just on a manic high :-) (thats the best of the best and the most of whatever)

Originally Posted by SweetAmanda

It works better than saying I'm between jobs and don't particularly enjoy sex with my clients.

Originally Posted by SweetAmanda

If the woman can sell the character, if it's believable enough to her clients, what's the big deal? Why is it so necessary to call people out in an entertainment industry for creating a persona for her business? If your marketing works for you and your clients are happy, and you're not abusing other people's work through things like bait-and-switch or plagiarism, I say party on.

[London Rayne]

Um yea WTF...nicely put as usual. If you don't need boards to get business, why throw tantrums every time other women of a different mold, post in your so called area? Let's go a step further...why leave the board claiming it's because of them as well?

If you're that good at what you do, your clients don't much give a flip who else posts...they still focus on you. It can't really be that hard to keep your client's attention in the presense of other women...can it?

[Laz]

Originally Posted by WTF

This is so untrue...

Class is class, it goes beyond socio economics boundaries or where you post.

Charles could be right (for him) but for anyone out there listening to my dumbass. Everyone single one of us has a certain air of class to another. Do not ever let anyone put you in a box. Be yourself , if you are happy with yourself and seek to change the things that you are not happy with.

Exactly - Class is NOT = price

[Shayla]

Originally Posted by Laz

Exactly - Class is NOT = price

True. But I still think how a girl looks have everything to do with this. Education, wit and tact are secondary. If a girl is butt ugly there's no way anyone will consider her upscale.
The European/UK girls have the best reputation for this IMO.

[SweetAmanda]

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Marketing strategies are not just some simple "Who cares".

Certainly—but I struggle to see why posters here are so concerned with women's marketing strategies beyond their very own. London complained of other women putting each other down, and that is something I can understand as disappointing when we all work in such a stigmatized business.
However, this thread seems to be degenerating into another form of the same thing.

Originally Posted by ninasastri

Its actually a quite demanding business to pull off . There are a lot of people working to pull of a "just" Marketing strategy. :-). So , although i can relate to what you are trying to say, i disagree on the simplicity you seem to put into marketing strategies :-).

True, Nina, they are not simple. But my "just" and "who cares" wasn't about the complexity of marketing, but the question of why it's necessary to criticize one another over it.

Originally Posted by ninasastri

The the other point i want to add is the one of "authenticity".What is the problem with reality? If you are so offended about yourself, that you need to pretend to be ivy league educated and whatsoever, and you are not (or not as much) then for me this is showing not only a bad marketing strategy but issues of prejudices about people who have no ivy league education. (Or - taking compliments and credits about having "several advanced degrees" and being "fluent in 5 languages" if you only have a lousy BA in an "orchid study" and have spelling issues at your own language and only speak an additional one is like getting actual credits for stuff other people work hard for. Why? ). I personally don`t sell things that are far away from my persona. Although of course i also sell and show myself from my best angles and such. Its just terrible when you are not able to sell yourself without degrading other people. Or when your homepage reads as if you are just on a manic high :-) (thats the best of the best and the most of whatever)

I just don't agree that touting one's own strengths (however a person defines a "strength") equates to putting others down. I've never read another woman's ad and felt personally insulted, even if she claimed to have experiences or "cultural capital" that I don't. Unless someone were to write on their site "These are the reasons why I'm superior to Amanda," I can't imagine taking personal offense to the way another lady chooses to market herself.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by Shayla

True. But I still think how a girl looks have everything to do with this. Education, wit and tact are secondary. If a girl is butt ugly there's no way anyone will consider her upscale.
The European/UK girls have the best reputation for this IMO.

Looking at the OP the question is upscale, which I assume means high cost, and classy so looks are a critical aspect to accomplsh both. I would say education, formal or informal, and intelligence are also critical.

I just hate that by combining the two traits there could be the implication that someone such as yourself whose rates, at least when I looked, are reasonable and definitly not in the high dollar catagory does not have class. Thank god there are many classy beautiful ladies that are affordable for us peons.

[Shayla]

Originally Posted by Laz

Looking at the OP the question is upscale, which I assume means high cost, and classy so looks are a critical aspect to accomplsh both. I would say education, formal or informal, and intelligence are also critical.

I just hate that by combining the two traits there could be the implication that someone such as yourself whose rates, at least when I looked, are reasonable and definitly not in the high dollar catagory does not have class. Thank god there are many classy beautiful ladies that are affordable for us peons.

I would never consider myself classy! Sure... I could probably fake it to an extent but it's not who I am genuinely... I'll admit that. It'd be way too obvious anyway. I'm more tomboy/casual and less chic and stylish.
Well the rates that were posted is basically average here and yes I am, by most people's standards high(er) volume. When I tour they change a little bit but not much. I cater to all... Even the peons.

[John Bull]

WhooooHooooo! I pegged this topic for 5 pages and now we're on Page 8 and we haven't degenerated into obvious namecalling and hairpulling yet. Goodness sakes, we haven't even strayed off topic very much.

[London Rayne]

It's a lot easier not to name call when the people amongst us make sense. I'm just sayin.

Amanda, when you break it down in terms of how you did for Nina, I can relate to your point much better. No one's ad per se would offend me..it would be the attitude they have beyond the ad and on these boards that would be the cause for calling them out.

It's nothing new that this forum has shunned women of lower class (as they deem it), lower prices, etc. When those same people who are making the rules and lists of what constitutes for class and being upscale, are the farthest from it...well, it's just funny. If you claim to be so much higher than others, at least make sure your personal life does not contradict what you portray. Men who seek out women of a certain caliber expect more than a fantasy...they expect someone who is truthful about what they claim to have going on. What if a guy found out a woman claiming to have a Masters Degree, only finished high school? Would that not take away from the allure of her being more educated and exclusive? Is that not what the HDH group "claims" makes them worth a higher rate? They claim it's more than sex that makes the rate warranted, so of course it has to be more than just an image.

What if it was the very conversations with her during a social function revealed just how stupid she really is, and embarrassed him? It does in fact have an impact when you can't back up what you claim. Some guys are here for a hot piece of booty...others want to make sure a woman they take out in public is everything she claims to be for impression's sake.

There is nothing wrong with listing your accomplishments, and I do realize there will always be women who feel they are less than when being compared to others....nothing you can really do about how your words make someone else feel. I certainly would not go changing my website to make anyone else feel better about themselves...that's a psychological problem within them, not mine.

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

Back to the OP.

An upscale high class provider does not post here or have a showcase here or post ads here.

They are mostly UTR and make their dates in back channel manners.

I don't post ads here and I don't have a showcase here. While I do offer a "5 star experience, it doesn't come with an expensive tag. I know UTR girls that are ghetto and unkept. They don't post because they know they'd get picked on for their poor grammar...soo well there goes your theory.

[Shayla]

I don't know... anyone ever met/know of one who they consider to be a REAL, UPSCALE AND CLASSY provider?

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Shayla

I don't know... anyone ever met/know of one who they consider to be a REAL, UPSCALE AND CLASSY provider?

Yup.

We recently met in NYC for dinner. We had an awesome time!

[Shayla]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

Yup.

We recently met in NYC for dinner. We had an awesome time!

I met a London (England) based provider once in Toronto. That's the only one I've met that I'd consider high caliber because she did possess most of the criteria that's been listed.
I don't know how they do it... she had 3 assistants! Good God... I couldn't keep up with that.

[London Rayne]

I provide an upscale "service" but do not consider myself "classy." Huge difference.

I would have to say that I do consider Naomi, to practice what she preaches. She acts like a lady whether being paid or not, does not get drunk, use drugs, etc. I on the other hand...well, I will just shut up ha ha. Being "educated" does not mean I am not buck wild!

[sofiaofhouston]

An HDH get's to cherry pick her clients and not the other way around.....Class is inherint not learned.