A warm welcome New Venus lady

[dearhunter]

Originally Posted by tayresse04

Which do you think worse? A deliberate attempt to out you or someone answering a question on who another is? Should you not too... be able to question who a person used to be? Should you not be able to speculate (albeit incorrectly who a new handle is?)

Remember that one does not even seem to be in the guidelines. It seems you have to be a mind reader to know that a person has guested their account to hide from others. Maybe we could put a sticky to show guested accounts and the concern for not linking them to a new account.

I'll play until I get bored........you are not allowed to link a guested account to an active account.......that is outing the guested account.......you don't get a say in whether the account was entitled to a "guested" vs "disabled".......you can link disabled accounts to current accounts.

It is possible for a guested account to lose the protection from being linked to an active account.......the most common way is for the member to do it to themselves. There are other rare examples of losing that protection.......they happen after much discussion in modtardville.

[SpiceItUp]

Originally Posted by tayresse04

Do you understand the difference between linking a handle and say contacting your Boss that you post on eccie or your wife?

Which do you think worse? A deliberate attempt to out you or someone answering a question on who another is? Should you not too... be able to question who a person used to be? Should you not be able to speculate (albeit incorrectly who a new handle is?)

Remember that one does not even seem to be in the guidelines. It seems you have to be a mind reader to know that a person has guested their account to hide from others. Maybe we could put a sticky to show guested accounts and the concern for not linking them to a new account.

Cheers to you pretty lady.

Also , it would seem that there would be some concern that if the guested account show some effort in removing her other advertisements from all over the net.

Regarding the connection of guested handles not being covered in the guidelines, it's a valid question and here's the answer.

The guidelines contain 99% of the rules of the site. However, over time, additional policies and protocols have been implemented behind the scenes which have refined and clarified some of the finer points. The guidelines explicitly prohibit outing but you are correct there is no mention of connection of guested handles to current ones. I personally feel like there should be but it's not my site and that's above my paygrade.

I recognize this could make it confusing for a new member trying to stay within the rules but perhaps not knowing where those lines are drawn exactly. It's an imperfect system but it's the system we have, and it's worked for a long time just fine 99% of the time. Ban lengths are somewhat at the discretion of the moderator team and a user's infraction history, board activity levels, and length of membership as well as the context of the violation are all taken into consideration when determining the appropriate disciplinary measure.

Also, attempts are made by myself and the other moderators to educate the membership about the guidelines whenever possible. Most people have no problem following the rules once they are made aware of them. 99% of issues can be avoided simply by reading the forum guidelines, the ones which are more edge case will be learned over time as cases such as this arise and are dealt with in a transparent fashion.

Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of members never receive even a single warning on this site for anything even after years of membership and thousands of posts. It is really the fringes we are discussing here when it becomes an issue. Those who like to deliberately see how close to the line they can get receive no quarter when they cross it.

[chicagoboy]

Originally Posted by LuckOfTheOrient

Agreed,
Tayresse
It seems that most of the people in Houston have a total disregard for what it means to respecting others.
Guess their pimp did not teach them manners.

Originally Posted by LuckOfTheOrient

When I say 'their' I mean the solitary escort and her pimp.
Not that they share one.

I guess what LOTO meant to say was, "Guess their pimps did not teach them manners."

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

To paraphrase Voltaire, "I may not agree with your stupid opinion, but I'll fight to the death to protect your right to express it over and over again in dumbass fashion on a hooker board".

Voltaire was one perspicacious mofo.

[SpiceItUp]

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

here is the basics tayresse04

ECCIE Staff would like everyone who participates here to enjoy a welcome atmosphere where freedom of expression is placed at the forefront of our values to uphold within the community

^bullshit - not enforced in the least. either that or it's missing the * that states also be prepared to be ridiculed to no end for better drama for better site traffic

"Everyone who participates". I see, so you'd like freedom of expression for everyone except those with whom you personally have a problem or find offensive. Got it.

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

It's our goal that each segment of our membership feel comfortable sharing, expressing themselves, and exchanging useful information throughout the forums.

^ignore this also. no one cares about your comfort other than yourself most likely

Who determines what makes people comfortable or uncomfortable? You? Me? Yeah that's right, it's not universally defined because it's a subjective "feeling". Once again I guess "each segment" doesn't include those you personally find offensive? I'm noticing a pattern here.

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

Those who conduct themselves in accordance with our guidelines should experience little to no direct interaction with our staff other than to guide you in the right direction when you're in need. It's also our goal to prevent members who adhere to our guidelines from becoming distracted by those who do not. In keeping with this, we are committed to guiding the flow of discussions and preventing disruptions when they exist.

^more BS. distraction is like an invasive species here and it is never prevented. again, adds to the drama

Define the word "disruption" as it pertains to forums. Now ask 100 more people. Now 1000. If you think you'll achieve consensus you're living in a fantasy world.

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

guideline #'s
1
3
4
6
17
18 (this one is meh. I believe the wording - unless in certain circumstances are expressly approved by staff is used to great flexibility)

^ pretty much none of these are ever enforced in the Houston section or they are used at the discretion of who they benefit

They are in fact enforced. Any perception that they are not stems from ignorance of the qualification criteria and/or lack of understanding regarding what is actionable and what is not.

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

then there are the unwritten guidelines as you are asking about full of technicalities and subterfuge

that should bring you up to speed.

Technicalities yes of course there are finer points to any rule or policy in any organization. But subterfuge? Trying to drive site traffic via drama? Please. You do realize that staff are all volunteers right? Do you think any moderator gives a shit about site traffic? The answer is no we do not.

Congratulations! You have, as I previously suspected, officially joined the ranks of the tinfoil hat brigade.

[Wakeup]

Heh

[JustMeCLTXGG]

ha! damn boy! I had a better opinion of you? no need to take things personally (if you are). you explained your point of view. got it. I know you don't run the show.

I really don't get your slanting but it's a perfect example of things.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

"Everyone who participates". I see, so you'd like freedom of expression for everyone except those with whom you personally have a problem or find offensive. Got it.

so feeling welcome involves being free to be a dick? got it. gray area.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

"ho determines what makes people comfortable or uncomfortable? You? Me? Yeah that's right, it's not universally defined because it's a subjective "feeling". Once again I guess "each segment" doesn't include those you personally find offensive? I'm noticing a pattern here.

this one's easy. the person themselves determines this. pretty sure when someone is called a fat ass that isn't making them feel confortable but then again maybe it is. who am I to say? thought most of us had common sense. pretty sure when people get bent and starts to thread rage chances are it wasn't because they felt comfortable. are they going to say anything? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Define the word "disruption" as it pertains to forums. Now ask 100 more people. Now 1000. If you think you'll achieve consensus you're living in a fantasy world.

I could really care less about this point. but if you want an answer -

dis·rup·tion
/disˈrəpSH(ə)n/

noun
noun: disruption; plural noun: disruptions

disturbance or problems that interrupt an event, activity, or process.

and it's done with such regularity there is plenty of joking about it. again I don't care about it. just pointing it out.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

They are in fact enforced. Any perception that they are not stems from ignorance of the qualification criteria and/or lack of understanding regarding what is actionable and what is not.

if this is at all enforced I take it back and my mistake. personally I don't think it is. it's that "gray" area. I think calling someone a dumb fuck noob is funny. oh well then. my opinion (yes my OPINION. not stating anything beyond that) is that I see all these rules ignored and I have yet to come across one instance of them being in enforced in the Houston section. in other city sections I see them enforced. here I haven't once.

edit:
was typing in generalizations but I will change it so no one gets their panties twisted. I wouldn't want to cause discomfort or be a source of disruption

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Technicalities yes of course there are finer points to any rule or policy in any organization. But subterfuge? Trying to drive site traffic via drama? Please. You do realize that staff are all volunteers right? Do you think any moderator gives a shit about site traffic? The answer is no we do not.

whose putting words in whose mouths? very speculative defensive comeback. I never said anything about mods standing to gain from it.

the facts are those technicalities fly in the face of some of these stated guidelines as they allow for escapes and instances where situations fall through the cracks when those cracks don't need to exist.

basically here is the guidelines. they are only enforced as is possible within the existing framework. I got that. it doesn't mention that anywhere and gives the illusion that all measures are taken.

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

Congratulations! You have, as I previously suspected, officially joined the ranks of the tinfoil hat brigade.

thanks. I love FRINGE! one of my favorite shows ever. however, surprised to see you stoop to such tactics. my fault. I shouldn't be surprised by anything here.

ha! just too funny even though I don't get it. why you insist on personally dissecting my posts of everyone in the thread. if I hit a nerve or something my bad. I didn't mean to cause discomfort. if you don't agree with me you don't but you seem to be taking an issue with my freedom to express my opinion. not sure if it's personal or what. hmmm

[chicagoboy]

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

I think calling you a dumb fuck noob is funny.

Did JustMe just call Spice a "dumb fuck noob"?

[tayresse04]

Originally Posted by SpiceItUp

There is nothing in the guidelines prohibiting pimping, being pimped, speculating about pimps/pimping, or the like.

Thank you kind sir....may I point out that there is nothing in the guidelines about linking an old handle to a new one. So you maybe can see the confusion? I realize you have said the rules are not yours , just yours to enforce.


So when others were asking who and speculating as to who Venus used to be. That is ok?

Originally Posted by boardman

Hey dumbass,
How about a hypothesis on which fucktard Hottentot Venus really is...

So again I ask..Is it ok to ask about someone who has guested their account?

Originally Posted by dearhunter

That is easy.........HV is DG

Is it ok to speculate about who the guested account is (as long as you are incorrect)

Originally Posted by WTF

Has anybody seen [Staff edit, Spice] lately?

Obviously it is not ok to speculate who the new account is if you guess correctly!

So to be clear , what I am hearing you say is that there are hidden rules not posted in the guidelines that can get you banned....rules that the majority of posters know nothing about. Do you think that fair? Do you see how other posters can then start seeing things or as you would say "Wearing Tin Foil Hats".

[JustMeCLTXGG]

Originally Posted by chicagoboy

Did JustMe just call Spice a "dumb fuck noob"?

is SpiceItUp a noob?

if you need that answered maybe you're a noob. I doubt you are.

nice try tho.

[SpiceItUp]

Originally Posted by JustMeCLTXGG

ha! damn boy! I had a better opinion of you? no need to take things personally (if you are). you explained your point of view. got it. I know you don't run the show.

I really don't get your slanting but it's a perfect example of things.......

It's not personal at all, if it came across that way it was not my intent I assure you. I'm not stooping to any tactics I'm sharing my opinion of someone who thinks there is subterfuge and conspiracy everywhere. If that doesn't apply to you then my bad.

I responded to several posts in this thread. I dissected yours because you made a multifaceted and detailed dissection yourself which I felt could benefit from being addressed in logical fashion.

I'm not defensive in the least, there is nothing to defend. I'm only responding in an attempt to educate. Specifically, I am trying to explain the differences between the "perception" of lack of enforcement and "actual" lack of enforcement. If I am "slanted" towards anything it is towards freedom of expression.

I don't think there's anything more to be said, I feel like I laid out the reasoning pretty clearly. Also, I'd add that except under specific circumstances when a post is edited, noone ever knows if disciplinary action was taken or not since we don't discuss it publicly. People get away with far less than is perceived believe me.

[Grace Preston]

The person who got banned was 100% aware that she was committing a bannable offense. She knows the rules well....but assumed she could skirt it with the bs hack thing

[Wakeup]

tayresse04. Tell us what you other handle is, and we'll answer your question...

[tayresse04]

Originally Posted by Wakeup

tayresse04. Tell us what you other handle is, and we'll answer your question...

Venus de Cunt is my God given name but let's not make this personal.. you are making me blush though. A man of your stature addressing me! I'm giddy I say. You are a legend in my book. I would actually pay for a lunch date with you, fine sir. Could Val come too?

[tayresse04]

Originally Posted by dearhunter

I'll play until I get bored........you are not allowed to link a guested account to an active account.......that is outing the guested account.......you don't get a say in whether the account was entitled to a "guested" vs "disabled".......you can link disabled accounts to current accounts.

It is possible for a guested account to lose the protection from being linked to an active account.......the most common way is for the member to do it to themselves. There are other rare examples of losing that protection.......they happen after much discussion in modtardville.

This is akin to me asking for a tomato and you bringing me a potato. I do appreciate the effort though.

How about this....How do you feel about people being banned for unwritten rules? Spice tried to justify that but I was not smart enough to grasp his meaning.

[Lexieinhouston]

Originally Posted by tayresse04

Venus de Cunt is my God given name...but you are making me blush. A man of your stature addressing me! I'm giddy I say. You are a legend in my book. I would actually pay for a lunch date with you fine sir.

Ha, ha & I'd pay to be a fly on the wall.


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