Pfizer admits natural immunity is better than the vaccine

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Your Immune System is probably dependent upon Vaccination now for it to protect you. Kind of like what happens to an athlete on Steroids. The Testicular Axis shuts down because the hormone is being delivered from the outside, thus the natural production shuts down because it's being bypassed.

L-17 - that is not an accurate medical analogy.

The immune and hormonal /steroid axis operate differently.

[nevergaveitathought]

its not science that's being questioned as much as its the scientists who don't follow the science

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

I think the 'delta variant ' of wuhan virus - has essentially the same Ro value as the original strains from China!
These viruses are very mutable - it is possible we may select out new - variants with higher Ro values - over time.

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

15 boosters later, still a leaky virus / vaccine

The analogies with the flu are interesting. I'm pretty comfortable taking a vaccine every year if that's what it takes. I get a flu vaccine every year and never get the flu.

Oeb, A friend told me about an Israeli company that's come up with a test that actually measures COVID antibody levels. I think it's come to market under an emergency use authorization or something similar but is not widely available. I can't find it Googling, but if it's of interest I'll ask him about it. It might be something worthwhile for you to consider at some point, or anyone else who's had the infection but is hesitant to get a booster until it's needed, or who wants to know if they still have some protection through antibodies.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

L-17 - that is not an accurate medical analogy.

The immune and hormonal /steroid axis operate differently.

I'd agree with that. I think it may be the reverse of what Levianon's thinking. You're training your immune system to respond to the COVID virus with the vaccine.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Crazy analogy. All you have to do to get the vaccine is walk into a CVS a couple of times, and the side effects are minimal. Perhaps you'll need to go there annually thereafter, to get your COVID shot and your flu shot.

You don't go to an oncologist for infusions every week and get nauseous and have your hair fall out.

Without a vaccine, the first go around, maybe only 0.75% would die (99.25% survival rate for the country as a whole). But we don't know how long immunity from infection lasts. So a lot more could die. This could end up being another scourge to humanity, on a level just below heart disease and cancer. Male life expectancy dropped 2.2 years because of COVID.

Finally, in many cases death is more permanent than cancer.

Life expectancy of American men:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...-american-men/

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The analogies with the flu are interesting. I'm pretty comfortable taking a vaccine every year if that's what it takes. I get a flu vaccine every year and never get the flu.

Oeb, A friend told me about an Israeli company that's come up with a test that actually measures COVID antibody levels. I think it's come to market under an emergency use authorization or something similar but is not widely available. I can't find it Googling, but if it's of interest I'll ask him about it. It might be something worthwhile for you to consider at some point, or anyone else who's had the infection but is hesitant to get a booster until it's needed, or who wants to know if they still have some protection through antibodies.

Thank you for the thought - sir
Wuhan virus antibody testing indicates past infection - and a vigorous immune response to teh infection.
For a well person - the indications for th test are minimal - as usually no difference is made to medical management
However - I went to a party of folks concerned - asked all to have vaccination or testing to attend

OK - My local CVS drug store had a next day appt - did a fingerstick - insurance (medicare) paid $38, an d I do have antibodies - IgG - indicating past infection.



the antibody test is wide spread, easy, quick, cheap, and results in 10 minutes.

[oeb11]

Tiny - I agree with post #80.

Cancer chemotherapy is not analogous to vaccination.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I'd agree with that. I think it may be the reverse of what Levianon's thinking. You're training your immune system to respond to the COVID virus with the vaccine.

So basically what you're doing is training your Immune System with Vaccines to ward off Viral Infections? If you stopped getting a Yearly Flu Vaccine would you get the Flu?

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by oeb11

L-17 - that is not an accurate medical analogy.

The immune and hormonal /steroid axis operate differently.

Of course they don't work the same but vaccines and Steroid use are bypassing natural systems. A Vaccine injected into a Muscle, although an immune response is achieved it's interacting with the immune system in an unnatural manner. Besides we wouldn't have this vaccine if a bunch of idiots weren't fucking around with a natural virus in the first place. I hope the treatments that are being developed will prove to be successful for future cases. Because vaccines will do nothing if a person becomes ill with this virus whether vaccinated or not.

[H&H]

Vaccination rollout needs hasn't changed since it started. But Nobody should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in America. What's going now is criminal. This virus doesn't have a high death rate. If you are aged 55 and older with underlying health issues you should highly consider getting vaxed. Everyone else should consider it. Some do some won't. The forcing of this vaccination is so so so so wrong and bad for America. It just makes people that more likely not to get it anyways.

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by H&H

Vaccination rollout needs hasn't changed since it started. But Nobody should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in America. What's going now is criminal. This virus doesn't have a high death rate. If you are aged 55 and older with underlying health issues you should highly consider getting vaxed. Everyone else should consider it. Some do some won't. The forcing of this vaccination is so so so so wrong and bad for America. It just makes people that more likely not to get it anyways.

I get the sentiment. Does that include registering for selective service?



Congress moves toward requiring women to register for the draft


https://www.rollcall.com/2021/10/05/...for-the-draft/

The Selective Service went into a “standby” period after 1973, but registration resumed in 1980. Since then, young men not yet old enough to legally drink have had to register with the agency within 30 days of their 18th birthday and are eligible for a draft until they turn 26.

The Houlahan amendment’s passage follows the release of a March 2020 report from the 11-member National Commission on Military, National and Public Service, a panel created by Congress in the fiscal 2017 NDAA that recommended women be included in the Selective Service.

The panel found that the inclusion of women was “in the national security interest of the United States.”

[oeb11]

Following theTimothy Leary example - 95????
Not on topic - per usual

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by bambino

https://t.me/Q_Tel411/11743

“Our organization is run on Covid money now”

I don't have a problem with someone who got infected with CoVid and survived, not wanting to get a vaccine. Using Lev17's death rate of 2%, means if 300 million people get infected with CoVid 6 million people would die. One would have to ask do you feel lucky enough to not fall in that 2% category. Out of 35 million cases in the USA we have had over 670,000 deaths. So, not everyone's immunity system is going save them. If you do survive your immunity system (natural immunity) is probably just as good as either of the two shot vaccines.

[oeb11]

Thank u - 'a'

amazing the mental contortions DPST minions go through to protect their ideiotology Uber alles!
the national Socialist party in teh 1930's was just as obsessed with counting each person they murdered in teh holocaust.

and DPST minions do love their Comrade Xi - the xource of teh modern pandemic holocaust.

[rexdutchman]

Pfizzle has made 27 billion ( so far ) off of the "free Vax " ,,,,Hmm
( the most money from a drug in history )