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TinMan · 08-11-2016, 09:25 AM

Welcome back from your short hiatus, Sean.

You're finally evolving your argument into something approaching believability. I've been saying for awhile that these are both mixed up individuals. I do not believe he was always posting as her, but the idea of him taking over her account once the relationship went bad is a possibility I've kept open for awhile.

Here's the problem I've been having even with that scenario. It's now been six months since Vi began her left turn into oncoming traffic. Why hasn't she or her family initiated steps to take down the offending material? A sensible first step would have been to email the mods and have her account guested. I've even seen cases where personal information has been expunged when warranted. Under your theory, this certainly would have been justified.

Why hasn't Vi or her parents taken action against the porn site(s) hosting her videos to get them to remove the material? The changing legal environment has caused these sites to become more accommodating when "revenge porn" accusations start to fly. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Why haven't we seen any of her former clients or provider partners speak up on her behalf? I certainly understand why most would want to stay UTR, but none? Really? And some of those who actually had direct interaction with her have said they believe it was Vi handling her own account. Have you reached out to any of those folks to see if their impressions jibe with your own? You know, scientific method and all.

Personally, I'm too lazy to do all that work. If this guy was so good at creating characters he fooled the entire Eccie community for years (keep in mind that he didn't fool all the cosplayers, so he wasn't that brilliant), that would be a good "teaching moment" for all of us. Unless some reporter (apparently someone other than the college daily guy who had his story pulled) decides the sizzle/sleaze factor is high enough to dig into the story, all we have are a few facts to fit whatever story we care to spin.

SteveOTX · 08-11-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TinMan

Welcome back from your short hiatus, Sean.

You're finally evolving your argument into something approaching believability. I've been saying for awhile that these are both mixed up individuals. I do not believe he was always posting as her, but the idea of him taking over her account once the relationship went bad is a possibility I've kept open for awhile.

Here's the problem I've been having even with that scenario. It's now been six months since Vi began her left turn into oncoming traffic. Why hasn't she or her family initiated steps to take down the offending material? A sensible first step would have been to email the mods and have her account guested. I've even seen cases where personal information has been expunged when warranted. Under your theory, this certainly would have been justified.

Why hasn't Vi or her parents taken action against the porn site(s) hosting her videos to get them to remove the material? The changing legal environment has caused these sites to become more accommodating when "revenge porn" accusations start to fly. Why hasn't that happened yet?

Why haven't we seen any of her former clients or provider partners speak up on her behalf? I certainly understand why most would want to stay UTR, but none? Really? And some of those who actually had direct interaction with her have said they believe it was Vi handling her own account. Have you reached out to any of those folks to see if their impressions jibe with your own? You know, scientific method and all.

Personally, I'm too lazy to do all that work. If this guy was so good at creating characters he fooled the entire Eccie community for years (keep in mind that he didn't fool all the cosplayers, so he wasn't that brilliant), that would be a good "teaching moment" for all of us. Unless some reporter (apparently someone other than the college daily guy who had his story pulled) decides the sizzle/sleaze factor is high enough to dig into the story, all we have are a few facts to fit whatever story we care to spin.

It's !VI! not Vi. And how do you know that these steps are not already being taken? You know some of these websites refuse to remove content until lawyers and/or law enforcement gets involved.

And this ridiculous UNT news story is going to hurt chances of !VI! returning there. As I said before, she should be allowed to go back to UNT with open arms and she clearly has done nothing wrong. And all of those news stories, illegally taped/forced videos, and fake tumblr accounts should be taken down immediately.

sean rider · 08-11-2016, 03:01 PM

Just to be clear, you can check my posts and see that I've never said I believed she was forced into prostitution. I noted that women can be seduced by Romeo pimps. I noted that even if she gave 100% consent without any coercion, he could still be a pimp, and he could still be tried for that. So my theory hasn't shifted on that. I remain agnostic as to the degree to which she consented to sex work. What I am much more certain of is that this fellow functioned as a pimp, and he outed her and eevee when they quit, and indeed may have made every single one of "her" posts here, as well as using many sock puppet accounts.

Grace Preston · 08-11-2016, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveOTX

It's !VI! not Vi. And how do you know that these steps are not already being taken? You know some of these websites refuse to remove content until lawyers and/or law enforcement gets involved.

And this ridiculous UNT news story is going to hurt chances of !VI! returning there. As I said before, she should be allowed to go back to UNT with open arms and she clearly has done nothing wrong. And all of those news stories, illegally taped/forced videos, and fake tumblr accounts should be taken down immediately.

If you have communication with her, let her know that PornHub will remove videos within 24 hours of a DMCA request. Its pretty easy and painless with them. If they are anywhere else on the web, the process can vary. If she is legit trying to get them pulled, have her contact me. I have helped a number of people out with this.

sean rider · 08-11-2016, 03:13 PM

I have no special inside information on this, but it may be that those investigating these allegations, or her own lawyer (if she has one), or both have asked her to not ask sites to take things down until they are done doing what they do.

Grace Preston · 08-11-2016, 03:20 PM

I'd have to disagree on that one, Sean. At this point, she is the "victim" in the case. But if I remember correctly, none of the videos imply coercion or force, nor do they feature the accused. There would be no valid reason aside from further humiliation for the videos to be kept up. In fact, if the videos were needed, they could simply be recorded then pulled off the internet, allowing the victim to remove those things from her past.

Guest092216 · 08-11-2016, 03:26 PM

Why on earth wouldn't someone who was taken advantage of in the way you claim not want the videos taken down? There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep them up. The one who uploaded them can still be prosecuted if they are removed.

You and "Steve" are full of shit. As usual.

sean rider · 08-11-2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Gambino

but yes she outed herself, evee, and posted the videos.......a woman scorned......

eevee was outed in October 2013. eevee quit before being outed.

!VI! was with the pimp until early this year.

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?p=1054299551

sean rider · 08-11-2016, 05:25 PM

You can't think of any reason the investigation would want them left up? I can.

sean rider · 08-11-2016, 05:39 PM

Or it could be that the investigation is also suspicious of !VI! and has told her if she changes anything that might be considered tampering with evidence.

It could be any number of things. No way to infer from the fact that the posts have persisted that !VI! put them up.

Did I mention that the pimp not only posted as jjkageab12 but also as joker202?

Also at the time, and far before !VI! appeared as a provider, ECCIE posters suspected that jjkageab12 was eevee's pimp. Then joker202 reveals *he* is jjkageab12.

jjkageab12 is also present on some popular social media outlets...*before* he met !VI!...

It's him, OK, not her...

TinMan · 08-11-2016, 05:53 PM

You're winging it now, Sean. LE would have captured those images long ago if they needed it as evidence. Just because it disappears from the internet doesn't mean it no longer exists. If Vi wanted it gone, she would have done something about it by now.

Guest092216 · 08-11-2016, 06:00 PM

"That's pride fuckin' wit cha..."

filbone · 08-12-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by THN

"That's pride fuckin' wit cha..."

Now I have to go watch Pulp Fiction again.

Guest092216 · 08-12-2016, 09:40 AM

You're welcome.

LoveNHorny · 08-12-2016, 10:23 AM

Too bad we're not saying "Jeb's dead, baby...Jeb's dead" to this thread.

I doubt there was coercion after seeing how she laid down on PornHub. Why doesn't someone who actually knows details show up with facts and put this all to rest? It doesn't take big brother, someone just knows.

Sean seems to have some thoughtful comments, so why the heat? And why are quality posters (imo) grinding on this topic? (More agendas? Or axes to grind?? I can't tell.)

Tickle me ignorant, but my biggest question is what's up with Steve's "!Vi!" Not "V" thing. I personally am going to save typing time and just type V - sorry - call it phonetic. Did we decide Steve's a mandle??

Inquiring minds...Ty
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