Wanna know what some girls REALLY think?

[pmdelites]

hypothesis: pmdelites has committed some of what the blogger wrote about.
materials: blog, pmdelites imperfect and sieve brain & memories
process: read blog, question pmg
result: hypothesis confirmed - pmd committed 11 of the less than desirable behaviors listed in the blog [too many to count for this experiment], but pmd did have mitigating reasons for 8 of them [by his judging]

actually, having read the entire blog, i'd say that some folks really got huffy about her thoughts [assuming they were written by an agency woman].
but, truthfully, were any of those statements absolutely wrong??

besides, no one will know how well you did or how badly you fucked up [except you].



Blog: Don’t believe ANY rumors you may have heard… I don’t want any of your body parts in or around my asshole. It is NOT enjoyable, and it does NOT enhance ANYTHING.
pmd: only two times when the woman didnt ask for it, but the woman told me she had done it before and enjoyed it.

Blog: Keep in mind that our nipples are about a million times as sensitive as yours are… And please!!!… Our breasts are so sensitive, and bruise very easily. Don’t treat them like stress-relief balls.
pmd: yes, but only after she said i could [usually during pre-consultation discussions]

Blog: I don’t particularly want your tongue anywhere on me. ESPECIALLY not on my neck, down my throat, in my ear, or ANYWHERE on my freshly made-up face. Just stop ALL the licking. It’s gross.
pmd: maybe she doesnt like, but i have yet have a woman tell me "that's gross". most are moaning too loudly to say anything. a few are filing and polishing their nails [not!] - they're more like, "ok, pmd move on to the naughty bits"

Blog: When I’m pushing your head away, and squirming backwards… It’s not because I LIKE what you’re doing.
pmd: that's not what the last woman said - it was cos she'd had enough but enjoyed each and every minute of it.

Blog: You really want to know how you can please me? Get on top of me, finish really fast, give me a big tip, and leave 40 minutes before your time is up. Wow, that would be amazing.
pmd: yep, that's happened before, except for the tip.

Blog: I don’t have an extra set of bed sheets handy, so PLEASE refrain from secreting or wiping your bodily fluids onto the ones that are there.
pmd: there are "ones that are there"?? where am i supposed to leave mine?

Blog: If you have an hour… Don’t wait until 59 and a half minutes to cum, and expect to be able to take a 10 minute shower...
Please don’t be late, and PLEASE don’t overstay your time.
pmd: yep, i have been late a time or two [***cough *** sure, pmd *** cough***] and have stayed a bit over, but only with the woman's approval.

Blog: I work for tips!!! You like what I did? Well, show me with a little extra gift!
pmd: i have never tipped an agency woman in cash. if i like her or what she did, i will book her for another visit and another and another. besides, expected tipping should be explicitly stated, not implicity implied.

Blog: Double check your gift for her… If you end up shorting her, she’ll remember forever
pmd: i have done that a time or two, but identified that and corrected it w/in a day if not hours.

Blog: Don’t ever try to hand my gift directly to me
pmd: i have done that a time or two, but only after i had known the woman for some time and she was cool with it.

Blog: Don’t bring large bags with you.
pmd: sometimes i bring my computer bag w/ me, cos it has my client's computer in it and i cannot afford to have it stolen from my car. [this is when i have a late afternoon visit on my way home from the office].

[gooose]

Originally Posted by MsPrittiKitti

have i had a gent that spent 30m in texas heat + traffic...walk through the door w sweat dripping & deodarant not working, yes. did i offer him the shower 3x (and he declined), yes. did i go straight for cbj? HELL YES!! lol

If you took his money anyway and then gave him a half-ass service, you're just as wrong.

[MsPrittiKitti]

that is "if" i took his money.
he didnt like that i was going for covers, and declined to freshen up
so "we" agreed to not have a session.
nope...didnt require he fork up some cash for my time either

[rew1256]

Good morning all,

I live 75% of the year on the east coast (where pricing is easily double) and the remainer of the time in Dallas. When home in Dallas I count my blessings because of the abundance of providers in every price range, fat, skinny, young, old and everywhere in between.

Most of my life I have negotiated for those things that I want or needed, homes, cars, Jewelry, literally almost everything. There are times when I do not "haggle." I do not ask for a price reduction when the preceived value is greater than the asking price. All that being said, I haven't asked anyone on any of the boards for a discounted price, because I read the reviews and choose. There have been times when I wanted to ask for more time for that rate, but didn't. My money is important to me and I am not considered cheap when I negotiate in a strip club or an Amp. My point is that at least your phone is ringing, if you don't like the offer, great build more value in your services. I know this, I would rather have the opportunity to decline an offer rather than have no offer at all, at least you have a conversation going.
Now, as for douche bags, aren't those the tools used to help clean and care for pussy?

In the end isn't this just a place to meet to buy and sell? If negotiating isn't for you, you're probably in the wrong place.

[Bella_HHD]

Originally Posted by TheBizzer

She sounds pretty jaded. Not to say there's not truth to her post, but she sounds like she's hit the point where she truly doesn't like or appreciate her customers. I've always been of the opinion that when you get to that point, it's time to change jobs.

Y'know, that site can apply to just about every job.

Honestly.

I know because I was this very minute kinda bitching about the same sort of thing. I won't go into great detail, but when you work with the public, no matter what your job is, at some point you're going to feel "jaded".

You feel that way not because you don't appreciate your customers, but because your feel as though THEY don't appreciate YOU.

No matter what length you go to for them, they just don't care or appreciate it.

Having been in several different areas of the service industry for the past 30+ years I've found that you don't have to change your job when you start to feel that way.

You have to walk away for a bit, even if it's only in your head.

You have to draw an invisible curtain between yourself and the customer; continue to give them the service you're famous for, but keep yourself to yourself.

It's not always easy to do and it can be as frustrating as hell some days.

But some of us can't ever see NOT working with the public.

B.

[MaxiMilyen]

Originally Posted by pmdelites

heh heh heh, she said "max fac-tor" heh heh heh

does that make you a maybeline or cover girl??

LOL.....I wish! Maybe I should write the company to get an endorsement contract. Not sure they'd appreciate where I actually endorse it or how I use it though...LOL

Fun Fact: Max Factor & Company is a cosmetics company, founded in 1909 by Maximilian Faktorowicz.

oops! thread hijack.....back to your regularly scheduled program.....

[pmdelites]

Originally Posted by Bella_HHD

Y'know, that site can apply to just about every job.

Honestly.

I know because I was this very minute kinda bitching about the same sort of thing. I won't go into great detail, but when you work with the public, no matter what your job is, at some point you're going to feel "jaded".

You feel that way not because you don't appreciate your customers, but because your feel as though THEY don't appreciate YOU.

No matter what length you go to for them, they just don't care or appreciate it.

Having been in several different areas of the service industry for the past 30+ years I've found that you don't have to change your job when you start to feel that way.

You have to walk away for a bit, even if it's only in your head.

You have to draw an invisible curtain between yourself and the customer; continue to give them the service you're famous for, but keep yourself to yourself.

It's not always easy to do and it can be as frustrating as hell some days.

But some of us can't ever see NOT working with the public.

B.

bella, that was one of the most eloquently written posts i've seen on eccie for sometime.

you so perfectly put into words what i imagine many service oriented employees and employeers feel time and again.

i'm in computer application development and, tho i dont deal/interact with the public, per se, i deal/interact with all kinds of folks in all kinds of companies. some are sharp, some are too strategic, some are too detailed. some are fun, some are hinderances, some are clueless. some will consider asking for help, some will deny they even need and help, some will be crying and begging for help.

i do a similar thing to your stepping backing and drawing that invisible curtain around you. i repeat to myself "they are not me. they are not me." or "i'm in <insertNameOfCityOtherThanDall as>" or "breathe, 1, 2, 3, ....10>

i dont take it personally and i do my best to not get pissed and/or smack them upside the head with a dead fish. they are who they are because of the path they took to get where they are. i am who i am because of the path i took to get where i am. just different, not right, not wrong, not bad, not good, just different.

dealing w/ folks in this sub-culture of ours and esp. here on eccie is just another "pubic", errr, "public" place and i do what i can to act accordingly.


yeah, i toss crude, sophomoric, sarcastic, weird, and off-the-wall humor, and maybe post a bit too much [**cough** a bit, he said!!! **cough**], but i do so to add some levity in here so we dont take it so damn seriously.

"focus, pmd, focus" [that's what my last doubles women said :^)

i'm off the box. back to your regularly schedule eccie thread.

[txcwby6]

Wow.....interesting blog. Gotta agree with Tony Patella, who cares what you think. The Providers around here are certainly not shy with their opinions but show considerably more tact and manners than you did with your post. Here's an offer for you....I'll confine my Hobbying to Dallas with all of the exceptionally beautiful (and much more tactful) ladies if you'll promise to stay in TN, KY, MI, NYC, CT, FLA, NC, and SC.

[Bobave]

Originally Posted by txcwby6

Here's an offer for you....I'll confine my Hobbying to Dallas with all of the exceptionally beautiful (and much more tactful) ladies if you'll promise to stay in TN, KY, MI, NYC, CT, FLA, NC, and SC.

+ 1+

[Bella_HHD]

Originally Posted by pmdelites

[ ... ] i am who i am because of the path i took to get where i am. just different, not right, not wrong, not bad, not good, just different. [ ... ]

Yup.

Once you realize that, life gets a little bit easier.

And yes, pmdelites, I AM a kick-ass web designer to the stars and not one of the lovely ladies on Eccie who offer services of a different kind

Also I am very old ...

[I'm on ur list]

Everything the provider who wrote that said, I agree with and is dead on. Well except one thing, the best session would be a guy finishing in less than 15mins and leaving but not with him on top, sure thats less work for me but it also gives them a chance to sweat all over me, lay on my hair or crush me, so definitely I would rather the extra work to avoid that.

I know what all you are thinking (guys anyways)- just another jaded provider who needs to leave the hobby. But why would I leave when I'm making so much money and all of you guys here in Dallas love me so much? Like the girl who wrote the article, I have always gotten very good reviews, 9's and 10's on appearance and performance, guys always saying I'm their ATF, and I have pages of YES reviews and not a single NO. She did a pretty good job of outlining how girls feel but I thought I would speak out because its easy to blow someone off when its just some girl from the north who doesn't tour to Dallas. Not someone who's met with all of you guys personally.

Well I'm sure you guys will blow me off as the minority anyways because delusion is more important to happiness than reality but I'm still going to put it out there. I'm not using my provider account because well I need the money and I can speak my mind here now and then see you tonight with a smile on my face and tell you how much I love what I do.

I am NOT the minority. I have known many providers on here personally and spoken to them about how they like what they do and guess what, they like me, want or need the money and that is the extent of it. They don't like you, not even the ones who get those awesome reviews that you guys are so crazy about. Not that I don't think those girls exist. I haven't met one personally but I'm sure with the thousands of providers in DFW there are a handful on here, but you know what? They aren't the little hotties you like, they're the older girls or the girls who don't get as many clients, who see less than 5 a week as opposed to 25. They are not the girls on "your list".

I'm not saying I hate every moment of every session. Some of you guys are fine to talk to. Sometimes I really enjoy the conversation. I'm a people person, I do like meeting and talking to new people. But do I enjoy the sex? No. If you are a pleasant person who makes sure they smell nice, isn't rough, and doesn't take FOREVER, or drag it out because "you don't want to cum too fast", if you are all those things it makes it easier. But no, even when I am bouncing around on top of you screaming how great you feel and how I'm about to cum, I'm not enjoying it. And not once have I had an orgasm with a client. I've had hundreds with my husband, but no, never in a session (tho according to my reviews I'm multi-orgasmic).

A few more things that weren't mentioned or gone into enough detail. Lets talk about bad breath and kissing. I've found that an abnormally high percentage of guys in the hobby have bad breath, way more than guys Ive kissed in my personal life (perhaps the 2 are connected? lol) I don't mind cigarette taste. I'm not a smoker but personally find it way better than garlic, onion, or whatever other nasty things yall eat. Use mouthwash! Chew gum! Mints! and if you happen to be one of the unfortunate people who still have bad breath after all that then don't expect the girls to want to make out with you. If you want them to still make out with you, then I think I've read about some surgery for bad breath. Get it fixed! then maybe you can find a girlfriend!

COMPLETELY agree on the whole biting/hard sucking when going down on a girl. Would you like me to bite you down there? Would it feel good if I bit it right on the tip? Its also disgusting if you slobber EVERYWHERE! I dont need saliva dripping down my ass, legs and a puddle on the bed. That puddle mentioned earlier by some guy "where a girl had too much fun", it wasn't fun buddy, that was another guy like you leaving spit everywhere. Also your pointy little fingers don't feel good shoved up there hard. You may think you're hitting my "gspot" and that's why I'm squirming all over the place. Its not pleasure buddy, its pain where you are stabbing my bladder as hard as you can. Does it feel good when someone pushes on your bladder when its full? Well thats what it feels like except imagine that they aren't pushing thru your fat stomach but directly on the wall of the bladder. Doesn't feel good.

Clothing requests also weren't mentioned. I do take clothing requests, and most of the time remember. But guess what, I see 25 guys a week and answer sooo many emails. If you show up and I'm not wearing the outfit from the pictures, or the sexy nurse or french maid outfit you requested, then is it really the end of the world? You still have a hot young girl you could never get in real life for the next hour. Because I somehow forgot your request, that does not mean that I'm not the one you were talking to in email, it doesn't mean that I don't care what you want or did it on purpose. Perhaps when I was running out the door because I'm running late after having to answer 20 emails with guys asking questions that are clearly answered on my site, perhaps then I was like-oh yeah! went to go get the outfit to find it in the dirty hamper covered in cum under a wet towel. Did you really want me to wear that outfit for you still?

And also, it was touched on but can't be stressed enough- I DONT WANT TO SEE YOU OUTSIDE OF THE TIME YOU ARE PAYING ME!!!!!!!!! Am I asking you please don't go I want to spend more time with you? Am I saying-no you keep that money, it wasn't work at all? Did I say- hey we should go to dinner or a movie sometime? I'm not afraid to ask guys out, a few of my boyfriends I approached them first. If I wanted to see you for more than the hour you paid for then I would ask. So please don't ask me to dinner, don't ask me if I would like to go for drinks first then for the hr at the incall, don't say I should stop by and see you sometime. Because I won't.

Don't ask me to work outside the hours that I have set. If I don't offer you the time, then it is not available and any amount of pleading will just piss me off. I have enough requests that I don't need to see everyone or even half of the people who want to see me. I set hours for a reason-because I have a life and 25 a week is the max I can handle without screaming at you in the middle of the session- WHY WONT YOU CUM??!!?!?!

Not every guy that does this is a pain in the ass, I don't hate every guy that I see. But do you know who the best clients are? Not the ones going crazy over this post. Not the ones who live on this site, who seem to not have jobs (or if they do aren't very good employees bc they are on here 18hrs a day) Not the ones who start constant witch hunts and are obsessed with pimps and how much the girls LOVE it when they rock their world. If this post pisses you off and makes you hate me, then its for you and about you.

This is NOT a hobby for me like it is you. I don't post on this board because I enjoy it. I hate this board compared to other sites. I post here because its advertising and there are the most people here. Every conversation I join, every comment about my favorite position, turn ons, etc, is just advertising. This is job and my husband knows about it. I don't lie like you do to your wives. He knows and allows it because he knows that I put up with all of this crap so I can pay for his and I's school, for our families, for a house and for our future. And the girls who post on here saying, oh no, thats not me, either don't see many clients, or most likely are using it for free advertising as well.

You may say this is not the job for me, well it is because I'm very good, and you guys have said it countless times at what I do, I make alot of money and can work whenever I like. Find me another job like that and I will gladly take it. But there aren't any. I listed what I'm paying for and other girls may be doing the same, paying off debt, taking care of family that can't take care of themselves, and the list is endless. But whether they are sending themselves to school or paying for a drug addiction, its all the same. They are all doing it for the money ONLY.

And guys, do you know what is the best part of the day for me? No, not when I'm having that 3rd faked orgasm that you gave me. Its after you're gone and I take a shower, count all that hard earned money and go home to my loving husband.

I've written this post between sessions with you guys, sessions that each client enjoyed and that I flawlessly pretended to enjoy as well. But now its the end of the workday and I've said what I need to say. Don't take my lack of a response to yalls comments as anything more than me going home at the end of the day and forgetting all about this board. I'm not like you, this is my job, not my life.

[PickUpSticks]

Sounds like "I'm on ur list" is in desperate need of a good ol' fashioned sweaty gang banging so she can experience a real orgasm.

As far as school, you don't need a fancy degree to lay on your back for five hours and to count your money at the end of day. The hobbyists on this site could care less if you have a fancy degree. They would rather you have GFE behind your name instead of PHD any day of the week!!!

[guest071811-3]

Given the title "you wanna know what some girls really think".. the op is trying to imply others feel the same way

if that is the case..

#1 be a grown as woman and admit it

#2 face the music..girls think their pussy don't stink then "cowgirl" up and speak whats really on your freakin mind..if your that great of a provider..then your clients shouldn't care what you really think of them right? so tell them

oh wait..no one can be as honest as they like because they know that will be career suicide..instead they have to walk around pissed off..upset..hating themselves and their jobs because they have to put on a happy face and please horny men..

with a post like this being made by an apparent LADIES SPOKESPERSON..every "i love sex and what I do" post made by a lady trying to make a buck will not HAVE to be in question.. how possibly could you like what you do ..you might be one of the "i really think this way" girls..just putting up a good front to steal a guys money that you could give a shit less..

thats why i say.. the "game" is constantly being played by ladies that NEED the money.. if your here..posting, advertising,..you NEED the money no matter what anyone tries to claim.. if you don't.. then go away..don't utilize the board and clutter them with the psuedo attempts to tell someone how you really feel but don't wanna stand behind them..

the "game" gets old..the i will smile and wiggle and take your money, but trash your ass every chance I get..

[PickUpSticks]

That Deanna Luv chic sounds scary! I'd be afraid she would be the type to try to cut a hobbyist's ding a ling off during a session.

[guest071811-3]

Originally Posted by PickUpSticks

That Deanna Luv chic sounds scary! I'd be afraid she would be the type to try to cut a hobbyist's ding a ling off during a session.

I know right..scary for real..usually though.. only trolls.. i only go after the trolls