Some Perspective From A Retired Pro -

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by rekcaSxT

And if I get a PM back saying "sorry too busy" then I will be happy, because she has decent TCB.

For those too dense to understand the comment.... rekcaSxT just nailed what some of the ladies problems are.....

And did so in a way I wish I had!

[78704]

Originally Posted by lisa.lisa0302

Holy cow

Lower your rates the men scream.

Really lower your rates? Are you sure?

For shits and giggles every provider is 100hr, and GFE.

Do you really want to wait your turn to see her, seriously, all the fast favorites and hard bodies will be too busy to see you, because they will honestly be too busy to see you. Although you might get one ride on the pony, is once really enough for everybody.

Isn't is disappointing to get that pm back saying sorry unavailable, because that is how it would be if every gal lower her rates. Everybody and the bum who begs for change can afford her.

You may actually get your wish and have a favorite lower her rates, good luck getting in the door to see her. And even hoping she picks up the phone, answer her pm and please have enough time for her to wash her ass in between calls.

False dilemma.

If you're starving lower your rates. If you're too busy raise your rates. There are plenty of price points between 250 and 100, honest. Anyone remember that song? 249 bottles of beer on the wall, 249 bottles of beer....

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by Whispers

For those too dense to understand the comment.... rekcaSxT just nailed what some of the ladies problems are.....

And did so in a way I wish I had!

I am not on here nearly as much as I used to be, but I still like to jump in with a little morsel from time to time.

[78704]

And as long as the dreaded topic of math came up...

There was a thread where Elephant mentioned offering $80 for a 20 minute bj to a visiting provider complaining about a lack of action. A different provider - one who charged $240/hr on her Preferred411 page, make a note, we're coming back to that number - jumped on him for making such a scandalously cheap offer.

Anyone with a calculator wanna guess the punchline? Something about double-digit numbers just seems to offend the girls.

[Guest061511-2]

I have some thoughts and questions. I believe there is a market for everything. If your business is geared to toward the men that have a price floor rather than a price bottom and you reduce your rates than you are hurting your business that comes from those types of clients. Those clients will most likely equate lower rates with higher volume and be turned off. From my experience, lower rates do not mean higher volume or equal out financially. The times I have advertised hh sessions and low rates I actually get less business. Also, if you are a lady that only sees 3 or 4 clients a week and you drastically reduce your rates you will eithier have to see a lot more clients, which I have never been able to do, as I am not a robot. I am sure some girls don't care and some girls feel the same as I do. I have had success by developing other interests and providing other services like massage etc. I also made sure I had other means of income coming in. I agree with Karma that some girls can't go out and get "a real job" which by the way I really resent that statement. Providing is " a real job". I think some men are just resentful they can't provide. If they could they sure the hell would! Some of the ladies here have ptsd and other mental or emotional problems that it make it very difficult to have "a real job". Sometimes, this is the only thing seperating them from the lady on the corner holding up a sighn begging for money. I am not whining and I don't see any other provider on here whining eithier, but I will say that most providers do not make 100k per year. Personally, my expenses are upwards of 1500 per month to provide. Again, I am not whining. I am just stating a fact that may be not taken into consideration by many. I do agree that a lady or anyone shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. We have a shelf life and knowing that, it seems we should prepare somehow for that by getting a job, going to school, saving, learning better financial habits etc.

[78704]

Or, of course, improve your service. I'd be interested in seeing a woman who'd be willing to hit intermediate numbers in the lifts in front of me; standards prints here: http://killustrated.com/sport-amp-fitness-prints.html; a spinner squatting bodyweight on the bar or a middleweight squatting a plate, maybe even a cruiserweight squatting a plate and a quarter, hubba hubba. Okay, maybe a little eccentric.

[78704]

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs

I have some thoughts and questions.

Yeah, interesting post.

I believe there is a market for everything. If your business is geared to toward the men that have a price floor rather than a price bottom and you reduce your rates than you are hurting your business that comes from those types of clients. Those clients will most likely equate lower rates with higher volume and be turned off.

Sounds plausible. There was a newspaper interview of a courtesan who indicated that her business didn't slow until her rates got *very* high. That said, *this* market - Eccie Austin - doesn't seem to be that kind of market, at least to me and some of the other posters.

From my experience, lower rates do not mean higher volume or equal out financially. The times I have advertised hh sessions and low rates I actually get less business. Also, if you are a lady that only sees 3 or 4 clients a week and you drastically reduce your rates you will either have to see a lot more clients, which I have never been able to do, as I am not a robot.

Calling higher volume ladies 'robots' seems hurtful, perhaps you could rephrase.

The inverse supply-demand curve is interesting. Expecting to make a nice living on 3-4 hours of work a week again seems unreasonable to me.

I am sure some girls don't care and some girls feel the same as I do. I have had success by developing other interests and providing other services like massage etc. I also made sure I had other means of income coming in. I agree with Karma that some girls can't go out and get "a real job" which by the way I really resent that statement. Providing is " a real job". I think some men are just resentful they can't provide. If they could they sure the hell would! Some of the ladies here have ptsd and other mental or emotional problems that it make it very difficult to have "a real job". Sometimes, this is the only thing seperating them from the lady on the corner holding up a sighn begging for money. I am not whining and I don't see any other provider on here whining eithier, but I will say that most providers do not make 100k per year.

Most of the guys don't either. I don't.

Personally, my expenses are upwards of 1500 per month to provide.

That's interesting. I'd be interested in more detail if you're comfortable sharing it.

Again, I am not whining. I am just stating a fact that may be not taken into consideration by many. I do agree that a lady or anyone shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. We have a shelf life and knowing that, it seems we should prepare somehow for that by getting a job, going to school, saving, learning better financial habits etc.

Thanks, Britney; great post.

[78704]

SUCH a nerd, sheesh.

Okay, 9 $20 price points from $100 to $260 just to make the binary search clean and avoid the horror of working for less than $100, start at $180, obviously; $20 increments because that's what comes out of ATMs. Reverse gravity on the split searches. Simple, right?

[allofamber]

Ladies..Ladies..Ladies...why oh why are you all getting so upset?..You want a solution to your problem...here it is.....

This is how you make top dollar...

1. Get off of backpage...go to Erosguide.com get you an ad...

2. Get some really nice pictures done.

3. Price yourself at $300 an hr and up.

4. Then get ready to TRAVEL!!! get out of Texas the big money is not here...you want to to make $350 to $500 an hr...then go to New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, Washington State, DC, Florida, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Minneapolis (just to name a few)

I promise, you will work (MAX) 5 days a month and make more than you make all month in Austin....

I have a lot of HDH friends that only work the east coast and west coasts..and they all say the same thing "I live in Texas, but I'll never work there.." (not all guys) but a LARGE portion of them in Texas are on a hobby budget....and they want to stay in a certain range, so if there's not enough cash to go around then get on a plane and go get it....

It's out there I promise....and how nice will it be to not have to work at all when your at home...you leave to another state..get all your money...come home turn your phone off and your done for the month.....

If any of you ladies needs help..just PM me, I do know of other ways, for you guys to make money when your having slow periods...trust me you dont have to lower your rates..you need to stay on the higher end.

Keep your chin up ladies..things can get better, if you just start thinking outside the box.

Amber

[rekcaSxT]

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Originally Posted by allofamber

Ladies..Ladies..Ladies...why oh why are you all getting so upset?..You want a solution to your problem...here it is.....

This is how you make top dollar...

1. Get off of backpage...go to Erosguide.com get you an ad...

2. Get some really nice pictures done.

3. Price yourself at $300 an hr and up.

4. Then get ready to TRAVEL!!! get out of Texas the big money is not here...you want to to make $350 to $500 an hr...then go to New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, Washington State, DC, Florida, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Minneapolis (just to name a few)

I promise, you will work (MAX) 5 days a month and make more than you make all month in Austin....

I have a lot of HDH friends that only work the east coast and west coasts..and they all say the same thing "I live in Texas, but I'll never work there.." (not all guys) but a LARGE portion of them in Texas are on a hobby budget....and they want to stay in a certain range, so if there's not enough cash to go around then get on a plane and go get it....

It's out there I promise....and how nice will it be to not have to work at all when your at home...you leave to another state..get all your money...come home turn your phone off and your done for the month.....

If any of you ladies needs help..just PM me, I do know of other ways, for you guys to make money when your having slow periods...trust me you dont have to lower your rates..you need to stay on the higher end.

Keep your chin up ladies..thing can get better, if you just start thinking outside the box.

Amber

they can't travel, they have PTSD.

[Budman]

I've read the majority of this thread and agree with the sentiment that it is a dollar issue. The providers seem to think that lowering their rates is beneath them and somehow equates to their worth as a whole(no pun intended). Others have noted that they have XXX expenses per month and can't justify lowering their rates. The providers that are looking to fill their dance card may want to consider making a 2-3 hour date for $250. Your expenses don't increase and it beats sitting around the girls locker room bitching about how slow it is. You could make it a lunch/dinner date and finish with BCD dessert. Another option would be to team up w/ a provider for a dlbs encounter for $250 for an hour or more. The economy sucks for all of us and we all have monthly expenses for our jobs. You are not the only segment that has cost to cover that are not reimbursed. When times are tough you need to make the prospective customer want to visit with you by offering something extra. Another whine that seems to be a common thread is the "New Flavor of the Week" getting all the business. Most of the time their rates are lower because they are new and are trying to generate business. Do you see the theme here. Lower rates mean more business.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs

I agree with Karma that some girls can't go out and get "a real job" which by the way I really resent that statement. Providing is " a real job".

In this particular case, please keep in mind, it was a female that made the statement ..... I almost countered with your argument at the time but left it alone for later......

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs

Some of the ladies here have ptsd and other mental or emotional problems that it make it very difficult to have "a real job".

What is truly unfortunate about that fact is that a woman with those issues participating in this lifestyle is probably doing herself more harm than good.

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs

We have a shelf life and knowing that, it seems we should prepare somehow for that by getting a job, going to school, saving, learning better financial habits etc.

The "Shelf Life" comment actually plays into what appeals to a lot of guys around here... Many like fresh and new......

This is where I believe some ladies hurt their business......

Being "around" a long time..... Having a board presence and participating for a long time can certainly work for some businesses......... But it can also work against many and for a lot of you it probably does.....

That saying from "Start Trek"... "Going where no man has gone before".... takes on an appeal to many guys as they have been around a while but you have to wonder if the new guy on the block doesn't look at a lady being around for 3, 4, more years and start doing some mental arithmetic and simply talk himself out of it.....

Stop for a moment..... What does the marketing statement "I have over a hundred positive reviews" tell a guy?..... Wow.. A GFE with 100 reviews? Wait a minute... That's a gal that's fucked over a hundred guys?.... What "Girl Friend" has that kind of wear and tear on her?


I've never known a busy, successful INDY that can maintain it by posting and participating regularly for years upon years.........

Some businesses decide to take some time away.... close down... remodel...

I've seen some ladies successfully pause.... create a new persona at different price points...... Use a couple of well trusted regulars to help reestablish herself and go out on the road for a short time and return to their hometown as a new provider at different rates with a different menu....

Agency girls and strippers do it all the time......

Will some of us ALWAYS know who was who and who she was before?

Yeah..... and we have a right to know.....

But for the new guy lurking that sees 2 good reviews about a gal that is new to the boards...... He just sees fresh meat and reacts....

Instead... some whose business takes a dive post more... push harder.... just dig themselves in deeper.....

If BeckyBangsAustin wears off then she might consider retiring that business model, let RebeccaHitstheRoad travel to surrounding cities on a different marketing plan and return to Austin in a couple of months to waiting arms of newbies that read the new reviews and respond to the new package.... Can't work though if you DON'T repackage yourself.....

Heck..... Look around for a reputable agency in another town and go recreate yourself there.... Then Work 2 days a week... Build that new business up with a few solid reviews and Leave that city behind to go Indy here under the new persona.....

The problem most of the ladies have with the focus of what this thread is about is that they refuse to look at them selves as a business with businesslike problems and respond in a businesslike manner to those issues.....

Every single response to this thread that has been emotional in nature, arrogant or condescending towards the males that posted is sure tell of business doomed to fail or one that already has. NO BUSINESS stays IN BUSINESS by pissing on their prospective clients for offering suggestions....

YES.... I look at you as a business...... In the end if your any good at what you do I won't think that way for a second of the hour we spend together if I choose to spend my money on you.

And in 10 years ladies.... I haven't chose to see more than one lady because of her keen wit, on board presence, how good her reviews are or how smart she was......

For many of us it is simply visual..... I look... I see... WOW!... I react....... THEN... I do some research and try to decide if the reaction is worth the investment......

Some of you have been using the same worn out pictures and poses for too long.......

It's time for a makeover.....

[DianaDeepthroats]

Originally Posted by blenderhead

OK, I'll tell you what pisses me off about some tried and true verified providers.

Improve TCB. Make us feel special. If I send you a appointment request with a specific date and time, don't just reply with a one-liner like "I'd love to see you baby". Put just a little more effort into it. Not much, just a little.

If something comes up and I have to cancel, and I do so several days before the appointment, reply saying that's too bad and hope we can meet soon instead of just blowing me off. I almost never cancel, but had to cancel with two providers recently because I got a bad cold. One of them was known for being sweet and having great TCB. Both of the providers replied with one-line sentences and both blew me off after I had to cancel. Will I try to book again? I doubt it.

If I email you after an appointment and said I had a good time and hope to see you again soon, reply in kind instead of blowing me off.

A lot of very well reviewed ladies here need to learn some basic customer service skills, because if you truly are hurting for business you should have the time to show some interest in clients that are interested in seeing you.

I've actually had better TCB from some providers that are known for being flaky than the "tried and true" providers.

I just had a gentleman tell me that he liked the way that I communicated with him, before, during, and after, type of thing you know? This is in no away to toot my own horn, I just feel like the way a person speaks to you, in email, over the phone so on & so forth, plays a lot on whether or not they will remember you or your company or just - the way they were handled and spoken to altogether.

I hate calling some company & they lack in CS - so I can completely agree. There is a "reference system" that some ladies use & some ladies don't. But, even between all of us, trying to get someone to tell you more than "oh yeah, he's cool - i think, if i okay'd him on p411 he has to be good." is like pulling teeth..

That's not good enough and if I see this guy based off that -
I'm an idiot.. but, I digress..

The point is, I loved this answer. Very solid.

Personally, at 21, I've said this over & over - this shouldn't be the end all, be all for ladies. Especially, if you've been int he game for a while, there should've been a plan B long ago when you were making big $$. This shouldn't be a 5 year plan, or a life plan.. if it is for some, I don't mean to offend. I just know in my mind that I can do something else. I can do something else tomorrow. There's nothing in my mind saying, "I have to, need to, or will do this forever.. what for? I'm 22 this year, I've been to school, have a degree, I have work experience & eventually, I need to do something I can put on my resume.. so, let me do as much as I can with this, because when my time limit that I've set for myself is up, I have things to fall back on." I love what I do - but the struggle is intense, why continue to struggle instead of finding something else to do? We should all try.. the $ is good, but not when it's not coming in.

Any woman who doesn't look at herself as a business - that should revise, regroup, and rebuild - be better off re-thinking her position here. I can't fathom the idea that there are some who don't feel like this is a business.. we are a product, we make the product AND we manufacture it.. WE ARE THE BUSINESS. But, if our regulars a on me but I can find 10 on this new chick that everybody just HAD to see.. it can hurt your pride, especially when you know that you are worth the same 10 good reviews. Why are we here? If a new girl can come in, be seen by the top posters, have the same status as ladies who've been here for a year or so with great reviews, gets left in the dust. There is only so much we can do with the saturation of the hobby.. we are being mistreated, talked to like shit, & sometimes treated like shit, here, upfront, on the board - our attitudes can only stay upbeat for long. We read the horror stories, we give discounts, run specials & we STILL don't see any show up. It's disheartening.

We can't leave our state if our state is not providing the funds we need. You can't make money if you don't have any money. Period. SO if you want to travel, but your home base isn't giving you the funds to take nice pictures, pay for your eros ad, or get to the next city over.. it's sounds easy, to type it up or say aloud. It's not as easy to make happen.. and then what happens when you CAN leave, but you make no, no no no, money when you travel & you head back home broke. How do you make that work?

I'm asking for the ladies who want to do all these things, who want to continue with this life, and want to make it work the best for them.. or who want to take a break & come back doing something new?..

[Elephant]

Originally Posted by allofamber

Ladies..Ladies..Ladies...why oh why are you all getting so upset?..You want a solution to your problem...here it is....

I love reading Amber's posts. always Jet Setting to the coasts... I'm only a budget hobbyist from Texas, but I do browse Eros, BP, and P411 for California & New York on occasion... and I currently see very attractive girls charging 250hr-300hr... and the girls @ 350-500 are usually DDG & VERY Fit. I really don't believe the ladies currently experiencing hardships in Austin have what it takes to compete with the providers in those particular markets... If so, they would be fully booked here in Texas. Just a thought...

[rekcaSxT]

Originally Posted by BritneyBangs

I have some thoughts and questions. I believe there is a market for everything. If your business is geared to toward the men that have a price floor rather than a price bottom and you reduce your rates than you are hurting your business that comes from those types of clients. Those clients will most likely equate lower rates with higher volume and be turned off. From my experience, lower rates do not mean higher volume or equal out financially. The times I have advertised hh sessions and low rates I actually get less business. Also, if you are a lady that only sees 3 or 4 clients a week and you drastically reduce your rates you will eithier have to see a lot more clients, which I have never been able to do, as I am not a robot. I am sure some girls don't care and some girls feel the same as I do. I have had success by developing other interests and providing other services like massage etc. I also made sure I had other means of income coming in. I agree with Karma that some girls can't go out and get "a real job" which by the way I really resent that statement. Providing is " a real job". I think some men are just resentful they can't provide. If they could they sure the hell would! Some of the ladies here have ptsd and other mental or emotional problems that it make it very difficult to have "a real job". Sometimes, this is the only thing seperating them from the lady on the corner holding up a sighn begging for money. I am not whining and I don't see any other provider on here whining eithier, but I will say that most providers do not make 100k per year. Personally, my expenses are upwards of 1500 per month to provide. Again, I am not whining. I am just stating a fact that may be not taken into consideration by many. I do agree that a lady or anyone shouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. We have a shelf life and knowing that, it seems we should prepare somehow for that by getting a job, going to school, saving, learning better financial habits etc.

a couple points.

1. I still disagree providing is not a real job. You could argue that it is an occupation but most of you don't pay taxes and you sure as hell won't put it on a resume.

2. The expenses providers speak of, are all expenses that every other woman has. Manicures, hair appointments, etc... are things that almost all women spend way too much money on, not just providers. The only real cost other than that would be an incall which is completely optional. The ladies without them literally have 0 overhead costs.

3. Using PTSD as a reason you can't get a job? Well try telling that to the guys coming back from serving their country and watching their friends die in front of them. They come back to wives and families and are expected to go back to work and provide for people.

If a provider has such serious mental and emotional issues that she is incapable of holding a real job, that would not make me feel comfortable about letting her into my home or giving any personal information about me.

I am really not trying to pick on Brittany, but her arguments don't hold water.