Are providers influenced to change or not change rates because of perceived pressure from hobbyists?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

Whispers is a perfect example of a loud poster that does not spend $ on "advertising providers" .

Not reviewing advertising Providers does not mean not spending money on advertising providers . On this subject YOU are the one talking out your ass.

Obviously, what he does spend, is the majority of his day on eccie complaining about providers, threADDS, rates, etc and at the same time admitting he will not spend $ on providers regardless.

Another comment pulled outta your ass. I spend plenty of money on providers but since there is a habit amongst some of the local busy bodies, both male and female... i tend to not review them....... I probably spend more than the avg wusses posting regularly to CoEd seeking their regular pats on the head.....

Whispers, you must have a large booty because you seem to pull a lot of information from it. Providers raise rates when they have more business than time. Providers run specials to make up lost revenue. I imagine loud posters are going to have problems when they realize they will have to use their wallet if they want their vote to be heard.

If ladies include hobbyist like whispers into their market, then I agree, they do not properly understand the market. Loud posters is not where the money is.

In Austin about 65% of hobbyist are guests looking at the adds/reviews. Meaning 65% of a Ladies income comes from guests not members.
A guest cannot see the BCD comments of the review. All the good, bad, big penis, exaggerated details are BCD... A guest looks at Pics, BBBJ, GFE, recommendation & Rates.

Grabbing numbers outta the air? Actually I would think those numbers are actually a lot higher.... Which goes to support what a few of us say every day regarding the CoEd forums.... Most of the guys coming here to spend money are not participating... they are reading ads and reviews and spending their money.... Thanks for helping with the cause... You are one of the first providers to publicly admit it.

They do not have the I am a "frequent poster" "well known" "my review will make you or break you" attitude. They actually expect to pay a little more than the "member hobbyist" and appreciate any sort of "special" offered by a lady. Again, these are 65% of the hobbyist in Austin.

Only 35% of a ladies income comes from eccie members

Out of those, 90% are the lurkers, 9% are gentlemen/white knight posters and 1% are loud posters (rude, disrespectful, argumentative towards providers).

All I know darlin is that when I want to spend money I have no problem finding some lady to take it.... Provider OR stripper...
Ladies, in the past 10 years I have seen many "whispers", men with mommy issues (which BTW are extremely more traumatizing for men than daddy issues are for females) come and go. Do not let these men make the hobby a bad experience because their opinions honestly do not matter and will not affect your business.

Honey... "Whispers" has been around 11 years.... and is not going anywhere...and I have NO mommy issues.... Hell I like mommys provided they keep themselves in shape..Most of the gals I see are Mommys....

Today eccie might be the King hobby board in Texas and a few years ago it was aspd and we do not know who will wear the crown 5 years from now. Do not depend on the board. Depend on the hobbyist. Take care of them & they will take care of you. I promise.

SO basically... They should run their ads and provide great service that gets them good reviews... Excellent summary!

[Yssup Rider]

It would be interesting if there was any scientific data on how many ECCIE members, posters, lurkers, etc., are seen by "advertising" providers.

There's so much discussion about where a provider's income comes from, it would be nice to get a decent idea with numbers we could all agree upon.

I've long believed that we, whether it's ECCIE, TER, EIEIO, whatever, comprise only a small portion of the pie (no pun intended), and as such, what goes on here is a minor ripple in the overall flow of business in the Austin adult industry. Surely there are a bunch of gals I see now and have visited over the years who've had no idea about the "boards," and could care less.

Obviously there are a chitload of clients out there who either aren't part of any community or won't admit to it, because there are a lot of providers out there who don't advertise on ECCIE yet somehow manage to stay in business... some are good and a LOT are scammers.

I can think of a few who have been regularly spurned by this board, the one before it and the one before it who are still grabbing the green and running after more than a decade. And there doesn't seem to be a short supply of punters.

A number of threads in recent days have indicated that maybe "WE" aren't all that. Ms. Francisca just said something to that effect. I don't know if I agree with those numbers per se, but I have nothing better to go on. Just what the providers tell us and sell us.

Ideas?

[78704]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

1% are loud posters (rude, disrespectful, argumentative towards providers).

Interesting to see a provider *admit* to conflating argument with rudeness and disrespect.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

I've long believed that we, whether it's ECCIE, TER, EIEIO, whatever, comprise only a small portion of the pie (no pun intended), and as such, what goes on here is a minor ripple in the overall flow of business in the Austin adult industry. Surely there are a bunch of gals I see now and have visited over the years who've had no idea about the "boards," and could care less.

YUP... I really think you can tell from posts as well as attitudes TOWARDS posters who's businesses tend to rely more on their ability to get noticed and build relationships via the online communities.... You can see it in forums as well as in chat..... they tend to be the older as well as rounder types or providers with issues.... I think their numbers would indicate a much greater makeup of board members and posters.... If not then they sure as hell are wasting their time.....


A number of threads in recent days have indicated that maybe "WE" aren't all that. Ms. Francisca just said something to that effect. I don't know if I agree with those numbers per se, but I have nothing better to go on. Just what the providers tell us and sell us.

Ideas?

I think "WE" just make up a larger percentage of the "informed" clients as well as a way for a lot of newbies to get a start and springboard to a point where they don't "need" us.....

if it was not for the board and the "community" around here... a lot of gals would have a much rougher start.....

[Ms Francisca]

I am shocked! neither of you know where I got the numbers? Cool Beans! I am smarter than I look!!

Average hobby date & time is Mon-Fri, 9am to 5pm.
Look at the guest count & the member count viewing eccie during these times. Guest count on the average is about 65% of total viewing & the members count is about 35% average.
If you subtract the members that are providers(about 12%) only 23% of hobbyist viewing this board are members.
It will take me a minute or 2 but I can give you close to exact figures.

BTW... any information coming from my ass or any woman's ass is just better than if it came from any male ass. We just have prettier asses

Curious Whispers... 11 years in the hobby? I had never seen or heard of you until 2 yrs ago. Did you change your handle for some reason? I find it odd that you would spend 9yrs without a peep in this community.
You made both of these statements, Hon...

Not reviewing advertising Providers does not mean not spending money on advertising providers

so you do not review because .....

It's unfortunate that more guys lack the testicular fortitude to actually do their reviews in the proper forum but there is always less WKing and posturing in the LR... especially when negative information is being shared....

Congratulations, Sweetie, admitting the lack of testicular fortitude is the first step to recovery

Sixx,
I would be considered a loud poster etc but I get PM's every week asking my recommendations on gals. Hell, I even had a provider ask me what pics should she use on her showcase because she knew I would give her an honest opinion. Hobbyists like Whispers, etc have credibility regardless if you agree with their opinions or not because they are not afraid to speak out.

I noticed from reading the threads & from what hobbyist & providers have said about Whispers, that he is indeed extremely credible, loved & respected in this community. I bet if he started his own board everybody in Texas would follow. We could call it "Sweet Whispers"

Also, not to bust your bubble sixx, but not only have I not participated on any hobby board, my acct had been disabled for almost a year and the emails asking for my advice & recommendations on both providers & hobbyist never stopped. I also have credibility in this community & I am also not afraid of speaking out.

If hobbyists like "whispers" are not afraid of speaking out, then why such a concern with providers reading/knowing what is said about them in the men locker room? Whispers for one will not miss a chance to question a provider about LR or BCD info. Why does he care? Why does he only review ladies that do not know about eccie & much less reviews? Does he tell his stripper fuck buddy for the day that she offers the most bang for a buck? Does he let her know he pays her below the average rate in Austin? That he takes advantage of her daddy issues for his own sexual gratification? (FYI, getting this info from Whispers own posts. I can search & quote for you if needed) Does Whispers "speak out" to the strippers like he does on this board? I doubt it. Why the BCD comments in reviews? why not speak out where we (ladies) can read? Whispers (like the rest of the hobbyists) chooses to make comments BCD. Why not make the comments visible to the ladies? Seems to me he IS scared to "speak out"
Truth be told, the BCD comments on a review are nothing more than a man either expressing his honest disappointment or making sure the rest of the bros know he uses magnum's.
Locker Room comments are men expressing their honest opinions about providers but too scared to speak out.
What really amuses me, is that hobbyist bitch about providers reading the LR but it is the hobbyist that give the providers access to their beloved LR. gotta love it!

I voice my opinions loud and clear in the public forums. No fear.

I think I have testicle fortitude!!!!!
I need to lower my rates, I cannot afford to play with my own testicles!!!!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Whispers

I think "WE" just make up a larger percentage of the "informed" clients as well as a way for a lot of newbies to get a start and springboard to a point where they don't "need" us.....

if it was not for the board and the "community" around here... a lot of gals would have a much rougher start.....

Agreed. But don't you feel there's still a bit of conjecture in your supposition? I also agree that those of us who do participate are capable of making more informed decisions. But what about the poor schmucks who comprise the other 91%? Do they just not exist?

Btw - Fran may get a little hot under the collar but she definitely knows the ropes. Again, this is all mere speculation. I think ECCIE should commission The Gallup Organization to clarify...then Glenn Beck could call us all liars and Communists.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

BTW... any information coming from my ass or any woman's ass is just better than if it came from any male ass. We just have prettier asses

Won't argue that....

Curious Whispers... 11 years in the hobby? I had never seen or heard of you until 2 yrs ago. Did you change your handle for some reason?

I was Whispers on ASPD since 2000 and was a Houston Poster with 300+ reviews..... Didn't post much for a few years and DID use a different handle on California and Florida Boards after getting outed before leaving Houston..... ASPD in Austin when I got here a little over 4 years ago was a community run by wusses so I kept to the locker room for the most part.... I was actually warned by MODs not to post publicly or be banned.....

But I've been hobbying a hell of a lot longer than 11 years actually...

I find it odd that you would spend 9yrs without a peep in this community.
You made both of these statements, Hon...
so you do not review because .....
Congratulations, Sweetie, admitting the lack of testicular fortitude is the first step to recovery

For someone that has been around a while you seem to be a bit ignorant of facts Darlin.... or simply don't do your homework..... I have 17 public reviews and probably a dozen in the Locker Room..... And when it comes to locals or the touring ladies I tend to not review them so that THEY don't have issues from the local wusses and Old Opinionated Bats that feel the need to warn off local gals and threaten their business if they see me or other "loud " posters.....

I have a following that feel the need to WARN ladies about how rude I am and how their business will suffer if they see me or come to any of our parties..... So far 60+ women have disagreed here in Austin.....

I find it interesting that you present FACTS to the support that most of a ladies business comes from guys that lurk and never participate but measure a hobbyist by whether or not he reviews....... Seems like a double standard as well as conflicting towards your theories....


I noticed from reading the threads & from what hobbyist & providers have said about Whispers, that he is indeed extremely credible, loved & respected in this community. I bet if he started his own board everybody in Texas would follow. We could call it "Sweet Whispers"

I like the boards that are already here.... Where would the fun be if EVERYONE on a board agreed with me?

Also, not to bust your bubble sixx, but not only have I not participated on any hobby board, my acct had been disabled for almost a year and the emails asking for my advice & recommendations on both providers & hobbyist never stopped. I also have credibility in this community & I am also not afraid of speaking out.

If hobbyists like "whispers" are not afraid of speaking out, then why such a concern with providers reading/knowing what is said about them in the men locker room?

Maybe someone else can explain it to you because you don't seem to comprehend what has been posted more than once already..... But I tend to agree that more men should be willing to speak out publicly.....

Whispers for one will not miss a chance to question a provider about LR or BCD info. Why does he care? Because there are rules.... I want the guy/wuss that gives her the access booted....

Why does he only review ladies that do not know about eccie & much less reviews? Does he tell his stripper fuck buddy for the day that she offers the most bang for a buck?

You just answered your first questions by acknowledging that.

Does he let her know he pays her below the average rate in Austin?

Actually I pay the going rate in Austin when it comes to a Stripper's time.... They value themselves differently darlin....

That he takes advantage of her daddy issues for his own sexual gratification? (FYI, getting this info from Whispers own posts. I can search & quote for you if needed)

I would like to see where you think I am taking advantage od their "daddy issues" ... Please search and quote....

Does Whispers "speak out" to the strippers like he does on this board?

Actually I do when they are out of line....

I doubt it. Why the BCD comments in reviews? why not speak out where we (ladies) can read?

Darlin... Those are BOARD rules.... not mine... Personally..... I could care less if they changed that policy tomorrow....

Whispers (like the rest of the hobbyists) chooses to make comments BCD. Why not make the comments visible to the ladies?

We do not have that as a CHOICE. The board requires certain information to be posted BCD and if you reference that information you have to reference via BCD or lose the privilege of access to that material.....

Seems to me he IS scared to "speak out"

Oh honey.... nothing is further from the truth... Exactly what is it you think I am afraid to speak out on?

Truth be told, the BCD comments on a review are nothing more than a man either expressing his honest disappointment or making sure the rest of the bros know he uses magnum's.

Locker Room comments are men expressing their honest opinions about providers but too scared to speak out.

In some cases I would agree with that and you may be surprised at the number of other guys that would agree with that....


What really amuses me, is that hobbyist bitch about providers reading the LR but it is the hobbyist that give the providers access to their beloved LR. gotta love it!


yeah... Men tend to lose any sense of dignity at times because of a lady they are with..... It is amusing that you are willing to state what so many of us already know..as well as laugh at them for it.......


I voice my opinions loud and clear in the public forums. No fear.

I think I have testicle fortitude!!!!!
I need to lower my rates, I cannot afford to play with my own testicles!!!!

Do me one favor darlin.... It's refreshing to have a new loud mouth in the mix.... but your flirting with the getting crosswise with all the references to information you really are not supposed to have access to.... Please be careful and don't get banned for it because you seem intent on livening it up around here....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Agreed. But don't you feel there's still a bit of conjecture in your supposition?

Of Course but as the resident "Cult Leader" you do need to acknowledge I have a following of brainwashed minions that simply believe everything I say right?


I also agree that those of us who do participate are capable of making more informed decisions. But what about the poor schmucks who comprise the other 91%? Do they just not exist?

No... They exist... and they read the boards and make decisions... We just never know what those are....

Btw - Fran may get a little hot under the collar but she definitely knows the ropes. Again, this is all mere speculation. I think ECCIE should commission The Gallup Organization to clarify...then Glenn Beck could call us all liars and Communists.

I wouldn't mind starting a commune..... fill my house with strippers..... share in all the proceeds as well as in all the pleasures....

[Sensual Sophia]

I'm actually always surprised by how many lurking hobbyists DO read the co-ed discussions on these boards. Guys who have never posted so much as a peep on eccie will begin quoting me all the latest drama as if it's their fave daytime soap.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Sensual Sophia

I'm actually always surprised by how many lurking hobbyists DO read the co-ed discussions on these boards. Guys who have never posted so much as a peep on eccie will begin quoting me all the latest drama as if it's their fave daytime soap.

ahhh.... My loyal fans.....

Yeah... The drama draws the crowds

[Yssup Rider]

YOU DA MAN WHISPERS! Just don't try and pawn off any Kool-Aid as Andre's Cold Duck in the VIP Room!

Keep them minions in line now, y'hear?

[Ms Francisca]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Btw - Fran may get a little hot under the collar but she definitely knows the ropes. Again, this is all mere speculation. I think ECCIE should commission The Gallup Organization to clarify...then Glenn Beck could call us all liars and Communists.

I do get a little hot and I know I come across as a "bitch" at times. I do apologize. I am a Spaniard. I am passionate, opinionated & argumentative. I am able to disagree, get mad, tell you to kiss my ass and still remain friends with you.
As far as my knowledge of this hobby... I know my chit, inside & out.

I will find the "Daddy Issue" post. It did strike a nerve with me. I do not think it is an issue we should joke about.

Whispers

Do me one favor darlin.... It's refreshing to have a new loud mouth in the mix....

I have no doubt you are being honest. I also enjoy a good debate and I am definitely a "Loud Provider"

Whispers

but your flirting with the getting crosswise with all the references to information you really are not supposed to have access to.... Please be careful and don't get banned for it because you seem intent on livening it up around here....

I really have no clue to what information you are talking about. I have never read the forbidden on eccie and probably never will but it is not top secret that I (as well as any lady) could read the forbidden if I wanted to. I have had access to LR & BCD on aspd & did not use it. I do not need to read in the LR that I give a mind blowing BJ, I already know that. I do not need to read the BCD comments to know I am not a young hard body, I know what my body looks like better than anyone.

I am an intelligent, beautiful woman that knows how to fuck a man into a fetal position, thumb in mouth, crying, mommy. I want 250$ per hr & usually get 250$ per hour + tip/gift or both I want 100$ for my french which takes about 20min total time. Most will tip 20$ meaning I make 360$ per hr of french........ if anyone has any ideas on how I can make more $ please feel free to let me know.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Ms Francisca

I do get a little hot and I know I come across as a "bitch" at times. I do apologize. I am a Spaniard. I am passionate, opinionated & argumentative. I am able to disagree, get mad, tell you to kiss my ass and still remain friends with you.
As far as my knowledge of this hobby... I know my chit, inside & out.

I will find the "Daddy Issue" post. It did strike a nerve with me. I do not think it is an issue we should joke about.

Do me one favor darlin.... It's refreshing to have a new loud mouth in the mix.... I have no doubt you are being honest. I also enjoy a good debate and I am definitely a "Loud Provider"

but your flirting with the getting crosswise with all the references to information you really are not supposed to have access to.... Please be careful and don't get banned for it because you seem intent on livening it up around here....
I really have no clue to what information you are talking about. I have never read the forbidden on eccie and probably never will but it is not top secret that I (as well as any lady) could read the forbidden if I wanted to. I have had access to LR & BCD on aspd & did not use it. I do not need to read in the LR that I give a mind blowing BJ, I already know that. I do not need to read the BCD comments to know I am not a young hard body, I know what my body looks like better than anyone.

I am an intelligent, beautiful woman that knows how to fuck a man into a fetal position, thumb in mouth, crying, mommy. I want 250$ per hr & usually get 250$ per hour + tip/gift or both I want 100$ for my french which takes about 20min total time. Most will tip 20$ meaning I make 360$ per hr of french........ if anyone has any ideas on how I can make more $ please feel free to let me know.

Frannypoo, I know you quoted me at the head of this post, but you're not referring to anything I discussed in this thread. I think you're addressing the self-proclaimed cult leader.

And I would never publicly "threaten" anybody with the notion of getting pointed, banned or spanked... OK, maybe spanked!

I know enough to know not to get on the wet side of your hurricane, sister! So please don't get your assholes mixed up!

Love and kisses,

The Rider

[Yssup Rider]

double post

SORRY FOLKS... just trying to add to my count!

[Ms Francisca]

well chit! Can someone direct me to the thread titled "Posting for Dummies?"
I was agreeing with you about me getting a little hot & yes, the rest of the quotes were for sweet whispers. I have to admit, whisp does get me excited in a strange way....
I think I have my assholes in order now.