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Old 01-12-2025, 11:45 AM   #46
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He did, and Biden obliged. You must have missed that. Newsom invited trump because he wanted him to come say that twitter shit to his face - and of course, we all know how trump wilts and gets real sheepish when face to face (like he did with Obama at Jimmy Carter's funeral - where was all the tough talk then? Predictably, nowhere to be found).
Yeah Trump is afraid to talk to Newsom!

Newsom wants to talk to Trump to maximize federal support for the CA mismanagement of fire response. Personally I hope there is a mechanism for Trump to pull the funding back and not a penny more than was approved for NC disaster victims.

Why doesn’t CA have any money? Oh this is why.

“California spends $30B a year on benefits for illegal immigrants and just $3B a year on fire prevention.”
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Old 01-12-2025, 11:51 AM   #47
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Yeah Trump is afraid to talk to Newsom!

Newsom wants to talk to Trump to maximize federal support for the CA mismanagement of fire response. Personally I hope there is a mechanism for Trump to pull the funding back and not a penny more than was approved for NC disaster victims.

Why doesn’t CA have any money? Oh this is why.

“California spends $30B a year on benefits for illegal immigrants and just $3B a year on fire prevention.”

... Absolutely, mate ...

Newsom shouldn't get ANY control of disaster relief funds
- he and the other state "leaders" will squander them.
The situation needs to be TAKEN OVER by the Federal
Government - so whatever "re-building" there can be
Overseen and accounted-for!

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Old 01-12-2025, 08:41 PM   #48
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Bullshit. This isn't because of "policy blunders". It's because of climate change, full stop.
Lol.

Ever notice how people who know their arguments are specious and easily controverted will try to shut down further discussion by saying "full stop"?

Here's a litany of the California Democrat policy blunders that led to the tragic fires in LA:


Bad Policy Served as Kindling for California’s Wildfires

Bad forest and water management, misplaced priorities and price controls all played a role.


By Tom McClintock
Jan. 12, 2025 12:28 pm ET


When Juan Cabrillo dropped anchor in what is now Los Angeles’s San Pedro Bay in the autumn of 1542, he promptly named it the Bay of Smokes. Annual wildfires fanned by Santa Ana winds are nothing new in Southern California. This is how nature gardens. She doesn’t care whose lives are destroyed, whose homes are burned, or how long it takes to reclaim the scarred land.

We mortals do. Throughout most of the 20th century, we took measures to minimize the frequency and severity of wildfires. We created land-management agencies to do some of the gardening ourselves. We removed excess timber, creating resilient, fire-resistant forests, thriving mountain economies and a lucrative source of public revenue. We leased public lands to sheep and cattle ranchers whose stock kept brush from building up. We established competent infrastructure to stop fires from getting out of control. We cut firebreaks into the soil to contain flames.

Prior to 1800, California lost an average of around 4.5 million acres to fires every year. As we introduced scientific land-management and fire-suppression measures, by the end of the 20th century that average dropped to around 250,000 acres.

But in 2020 California suffered a single-year loss of 4.3 million acres to wildfires. Between 2019 and 2023, an average of more than 1.5 million acres burned each year. What happened?

The left blames a changing climate. But that doesn’t explain California’s long history with massive wildfires, or why fires became less threatening throughout most of the 20th century.

We can find a more likely culprit in the state’s recent extreme environmental and social policies.

Environmental studies required by the National Environmental Policy Act of 1970 now cost millions of dollars and take an average of 5.3 years for forest-thinning projects in California to get approved. Often the cost amounts to more than the value of the timber itself. The amount of timber harvested from public lands has declined around 75% since the 1980s, with a concomitant increase in forest acreage destroyed by wildfire.

Sheep and cattle grazing on public lands, once common in Southern California, has largely been regulated out of use by bureaucratic restrictions and fees designed to discourage the practice. Wilderness restrictions make brush suppression more difficult throughout much of the state.

Environmental leftists promised that laws such as the National Environmental Policy Act, the Wilderness Act and the Endangered Species Act would protect and improve the environment. Fifty years later we’re entitled to ask: How’s it going? Between 2012 and 2021, we lost a quarter of California’s forestland to wildfires. A UCLA study estimated that California’s 2020 fires released twice as much greenhouse gas into the atmosphere as had been prevented by the previous 18 years of primarily government-enforced restrictions.

Resource policy also changed radically. The visionary water projects of the 20th century gave way to increasingly restrictive conservation edicts while leftist officials neglected the region’s basic water infrastructure. Authorities forced utilities to spend billions on wind and solar projects, money that could have otherwise funded such desperate priorities as fireproofing power lines. As a result, one of the states most heavily invested in wind power has to shut down its power lines on windy days. As a consequence of these follies, hydrants failed, and many overextended firefighters reported having no choice but to surrender to the blaze.

Despite sky-high taxes and government spending, Los Angeles’s woke officials still can’t spare proper funding for its Fire Department. Under Mayor Karen Bass, the city cut its already underfunded budget by more than $17 million last year. Meanwhile, the city spends almost twice as much as the fire department’s budget on homelessness projects. These projects are strained by the state’s illegal-migrant problem, which is fueled in part by Los Angeles’s designating itself a sanctuary city. Local officials seem more concerned with social justice than putting out real fires.

State-imposed price controls on fire-insurance premiums have destroyed that industry too. Premiums assign a dollar value to the risk of living in an area. As the risk increases, so do the premiums. But not in California, where regulators have limited companies’ ability to set market premiums. These price controls do what they always do: distort the price signals consumers need to make rational decisions and create shortages of whatever is being controlled. Fire insurers can no longer charge sufficient premiums to cover their risk, leaving them with no choice but to exit the market.

Fire is a condition of nature, but how we deal with it is a choice. The tragedy in Southern California is the result of decades of self-destructive policies made by foolish politicians. We can change the policies that got us into this mess by throwing out the politicians who made them. Let’s hope we do so before the next big fire.

Mr. McClintock, a Republican, represents California’s Fifth Congressional District.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bad-poli...stice-c5b94a4f
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Here's more!

Examples abound of how Dim policy blunders set up Los Angeles for this apocalyptic disaster:


How the Left Turned California Into a Paradise Lost

Gavin Newsom promised to ‘Trump-proof’ the Golden State. If only he’d fireproofed it instead.


By Allysia Finley
Jan. 12, 2025 3:58 pm ET


After the November election, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced his plans to “Trump-proof” the Golden State. How about fire-proofing? Los Angeles’s horrific fires are exposing the costs of its progressive follies, which even wealthy liberals in their Palisades palaces can’t escape.

Start with its environmental obsessions. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power in 2019 sought to widen a fire-access road and replace old wooden utility poles in the Topanga Canyon abutting the Palisades with steel ones to make power lines fire- and wind-resistant. In the process, crews removed an estimated 182 Braunton’s milkvetch plants, an endangered species.

The utility halted the project as state officials investigated the plant destruction. More than a year later, the California Coastal Commission issued a cease-and-desist order, fined the utility $2 million, and required “mitigation” for the project’s impact on the species. This involved replacing “nonnative” vegetation with plants native to the state. You have to chuckle at the contradiction: California’s progressives want to expel foreign flora and fauna but provide a sanctuary for illegal immigrants.

Since the milkvetch requires wildfires to propagate, the only way to boost its numbers is to let the land burn. A cynic might wonder if environmentalists interfered with fire prevention in hope of evicting humans from what they view as the plant’s rightful habitat. To radical environmentalists, every human is a colonizer.

Next, consider the government’s misallocation of resources. Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley complains the city cut her budget by $17 million last spring, which she says reduced overtime compensation and interfered with wildfire preparation. Maybe, though the veteran firefighter may also be saying this to get more money for her department.

In truth, the fire budget didn’t shrink since city leaders last autumn approved a new union contract that boosted pay and benefits by $76 million—about $20,000 per firefighter. Even before this raise, firefighters on average earned about $200,000, plus $90,000 in benefits. Many can retire at 55 with pensions equaling 90% of their final salaries.

Los Angeles spent $350 million this year on firefighter pensions and benefits. Much of that would have been better spent on fire prevention, which made up only 5% of the department’s budget. Ms. Crowley calls “diversity, inclusion, and equity” a top priority, and the Fire Department boasted nine DEI positions.

Bloated union contracts and DEI may not have directly hampered the fire response, but they illustrate the government’s wrongheaded priorities. It’s the same with water. Donald Trump blamed dry fire hydrants in L.A. on protections for the delta smelt fish. The real culprit was an overwhelmed water system, but both reflect government mismanagement.

Smelt protections restrict the amount of water that flows from the state’s north to the south. This has led to billions of gallons of water being flushed out to the Pacific Ocean each year, along with chronic water shortages, high unemployment, overpumped wells and environmental degradation in the state’s Central Valley. Mr. Newsom opposed Mr. Trump’s first-term efforts to ease the fish protections. You can lead California progressives to water, but you can’t make them think.

Consider the state’s response to crime and homelessness, which may have contributed to the fires. Last year’s Park Fire—the fourth largest in state history—was allegedly ignited by a man with two prior felony convictions who was on parole for a DUI. The Los Angeles Times reported in early 2021 that 24 fires on average were breaking out each day in the city’s homeless encampments. A fire in an encampment shut down an L.A. freeway last November, the second time that had happened in a little over a year.

Good Samaritans on Thursday detained a homeless man who they said used a flamethrower to incinerate Christmas trees and garbage cans, around the same time as a major fire erupted. Police arrested the vagrant on a felony probation violation—meaning he had been on parole for another felony—because they said they lacked probable cause to charge him with arson. The suspect reportedly claimed he was using a blowtorch to smoke marijuana.

Wealthy liberals have long been shielded from the consequences of their government’s blunders. State regulators until recently even suppressed insurance rates for high-priced homes by barring insurers from fully pricing in wildfire risk and reinsurance costs.

Like King Canute, who tried to command the tides, Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara on Thursday prohibited insurers from dropping homeowners in areas affected by the fires. People who lose their homes deserve sympathy. But if insurers aren’t allowed to limit their liabilities or adjust premiums based on risk, they will instead raise rates on everyone.

Democrats think they can wave away economic reality, much as they do when they pretend there are no costs to raising the minimum wage or taxes. Will the fires prompt Mr. Newsom and company to rethink their delusions? Forget it, it’s La La Land.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/how-the-...fires-48b88d6a
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https://cdec.water.ca.gov/resapp/RescondMain

As we get time and distance it will be interesting how many snap takes are correct vs the usual bullshit

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ted-rcna187217

Not that many here will admit to latching onto even an iota of bullshit and believing it fervently if it makes their tribe look good and the other tribe look bad.

We learn very little from one disaster to the next when it comes to sitting back and digesting the tragedy vs low info hot takes
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... The fact that the Fire Chief is a lesbian, or the fact that
the rep from the Mayour's office is a trans or whatever is
MEANINGLESS in the big picture. ... All those hires - DEI or not
are hired-on as puppets. ... They don't have the stroke or
authourity to make ANY decisions - They Do What They're Told.

The money people $$$$ at the Top of things make all the
meaningful decisions - and THEY are the ones to blame.
Though, identifying them is the real chore, as they always
are able to stay in the shadows.

A person being the head of the organization and being competent or not is absolutely a factor the person being in the position of lead because of inclusion is also a factor.
Yes a person can be whatever woke ideal an organization may aspire to hire the fact is that hire do to inclusion must be competent.

Again, for the head of an organization to say inclusion is the number priority of the organization over how it functions is a design for failure, which what has happened.

... So, blaming the DEI-hired Fire Chief for this absolute disaster
is like blaming the bloke who cleans the locker rooms at the stadium
for the fact the Steelers stink. ... The janitorial fellow and the
fire chief have NO real say-so about ANYTHING.

... Sad but True, mates.

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Hiring a person as the head of any organization in their first comments this person says inclusion is their number one priority, you say it has nothing to do with how that organization is run and it capabilities to function in a good manner total BS on your part.
Inclusion not how the organization is staffed and operated is more important than the capabilities of the organization, no way I buy that.
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Speaking of CA leadership how cool is it Newsom set aside $50m yesterday towards upcoming legal fees to stop deportation of illegals and “Trump proof” CA? Wonder if that $50m could have been better spent on the victims and/or fire preparedness?

Here’s to hoping any federal money going to CA for the fire is reduced by $50m via Trump.
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Not that many here will admit to latching onto even an iota of bullshit and believing it fervently if it makes their tribe look good and the other tribe look bad.

We learn very little from one disaster to the next when it comes to sitting back and digesting the tragedy vs low info hot takes
You need to go back and re-read my posts #48-49.

Facts, no bullshit. No "low info hot takes" either. Just transparency.

My concern (which you ought to share) is to restore competence to government and ensure the tragedy is never repeated, not whether any "tribe" looks good or bad.
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I don't need to re-read them. Not everything is about you. We CAN speak generally without everyone feeling attacked.

You weren't singled out in that
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I didn't feel attacked. Your comment was posted immediately after the two WSJ articles cataloging the policy blunders that made the disaster so much larger.

So it was natural to assume you were criticizing the two authors, in your usual oblique way.
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Assumptions... you know the saying. Much irony in the use of oblique tho
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Elon Musk is literally exploding with bullshit. Shocker!
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Tick tock.

The recall of Bass and Newsom is gaining momentum.

One thing is for sure. If CA doesn’t get rid of these two they deserve all the mismanagement they got.
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I was told an interesting fact today, the main fire insurer, the one who is left, sets a 1.2 million max payout on fire claims, I have friends near there, who have stated 1 million doesn't buy much of a house, so, how many of these folks are going to be underwater, IOW, needing far more than they can pay to rebuild with the 1.2 mill.

Couple that with waving portions of the building codes, cheap illegal immigrant labor, and I just see bad construction homes falling down 20 years later.

Like the piss poor roofs that went into Florida after storms years ago, or all the chinese drywall that ended up being rotten.

Now is THE TIME to enforce all building codes excessively, if not change them to a less dense type of construction with better fire resistance.
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